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« on: January 29, 2017, 10:01 »
Order of keywords in Fotolia/AdobeStock. Is it so important?
What is your personal experience?

Personally I don't see any difference
I have photos with the keywords not in order, and they are selling well
I have photos with the keywords in order, and they are not selling at all (but selling on other sites)
I have also photos with the keywords not in order selling bad and photos with the keywords in order selling well.

At this point I have the impression that to put the keywords in order is just a waste of time

What about you?
« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 10:05 by Chichikov »


  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2017, 11:02 »
I'm pretty sure it does make a difference. I wrote about it in my blog recently and I am not about 70% of the way through changing the keywords of all my files (all 5000 of them...)



« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2017, 12:04 »
Steve, what you write about Deckers Creek is interesting, but it is a very specific (unique) case.
This leads me to another question: in a more general context, when the title of the image does not describe a so specific place, what is the weight (importance) of the title compared to the one of the first keywords?
And if in the search the weight of the words contained in the description is high, does it has a sense to repeat the words used in the description as main keywords (first 5 or 7 - this is not very clear too), or is it better to use other keywords, giving in this way more chance for the image to be found?
« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 12:09 by Chichikov »


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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2017, 13:39 »
Yes, that Deckers Creek was an example that if you have a relatively unique term, then it doesn't need to take up one of those early keywords. I agree with you on that. In terms of the description - well, I understand that Fotolia/Adobe drop the description and only use the title - which tends in my images to have fewer characters and words and can be a bit bland I suppose. I know that Stock Submitter (which I really like using now - and did review back in this post: http://www.backyardsilver.com/2016/12/stocksubmitter-elegant-replacement-stockuploader/) does allow you to switch the title and description for upload to Fotolia, so I should probably investigate that for future shots. I don't actually know how long the title can be on Fotolia to be honest.

Having said that, I have no idea how they look at words in the title and prioritize them. I would certainly try to get the main theme of the image in both the title and the first keywords - I think that is a good practice to follow anyway. Since I wrote my blog post about keyword order, I have seen other files pop up in the sales reports that have never sold before, so I'm sure it is making a difference - it takes many hours to restructure keywords and so that shows how I feel about it!


« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2017, 15:41 »
If you remove the title from the IPTC of your files before to upload them in Fotolia/Adobe, the (Lightroom) description field will be automatically used as title in Fotolia/Adobe.

I have looked for a solution to do this in batch on Mac, and I have found a good solution using the application Exif Editor.
After exporting the files in jpg to upload them on the various sites I make a copy of them and remove, in batch, the "title" (the field is named "Object Name"), so I can upload the files on Fotolia/Adobe and get the description as title.

On PC I don't know, but it should exist some equivalent software.

To move and order the keywords it is a way faster doing it from the Adobe site.
But it is a pity that it is not possible to copy and paste the ordered keywords from a file to another then.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 15:44 by Chichikov »


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