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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2020, 08:53 »
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IA is far from the reach of microstock agencies.

State: Iowa IA. The Iowa abbreviation is IA. This is a unique place with its own history, culture, and geography.



IA   Internet Archive
IA   Information Assurance
IA   Information Architecture
IA   Intel Architecture

IA stands for Internal Assessment (International Baccalaureate testing)

Not humans there.

ET or other aliens then?


« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2020, 10:05 »
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Speaking from my own experience and observations, all images are reviewed by AI at the first attempt. If/when they all get rejected instantly, you give them a second chance. Once again, all of your amazing work are getting rejected at the speed of light. When you are submitting those images for the third time it takes hours to review them. Now there is a human component involved in review process. Usually, at this point, they are all accepted.

angelawaye

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« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2020, 10:54 »
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For fun a few months ago I sent SS a request that I was interested in becoming a photo reviewer.  They responded back to me in a couple of weeks . I didn't not save their email but it went something like this. It was a very nice and polite letter. Thank you for your interest in SS. At this time you just don't have the experience we are looking for as we have other applicants that fit our requirements better. Thank you from SS.  So I guess my dream job will be on hold. Now for my background. I have been doing stock photos since Mosses came down form the mountain. I have a small site on SS and most all the other top sites. I get small sales from most of the sites daily. I have sold/published over a million photos in my time on earth as a photographer ..again over a long time in the business. So maybe someday I can get my dream job as a reviewer. I can only hope and pray....W.Scott McGill

Trust me, you wouldn't have wanted the job even if they were interested in your application. I had to sign an NDA so I can't say much more ...

« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2020, 10:59 »
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For fun a few months ago I sent SS a request that I was interested in becoming a photo reviewer.  They responded back to me in a couple of weeks . I didn't not save their email but it went something like this. It was a very nice and polite letter. Thank you for your interest in SS. At this time you just don't have the experience we are looking for as we have other applicants that fit our requirements better. Thank you from SS.  So I guess my dream job will be on hold. Now for my background. I have been doing stock photos since Mosses came down form the mountain. I have a small site on SS and most all the other top sites. I get small sales from most of the sites daily. I have sold/published over a million photos in my time on earth as a photographer ..again over a long time in the business. So maybe someday I can get my dream job as a reviewer. I can only hope and pray....W.Scott McGill

Trust me, you wouldn't have wanted the job even if they were interested in your application. I had to sign an NDA so I can't say much more ...

I was a reviewer for a different agency over a decade ago. I did it for a couple of years. There is nothing to it. You just look at photos and decided to accept or reject based upon the agency's standards. Back then you were paid 50cents per review, so some inspectors were making 6 figures. Of cause this was a long time ago. No doubt a great deal has changed since.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2020, 11:01 by charged »

« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2020, 11:48 »
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IA is far from the reach of microstock agencies.

State: Iowa IA. The Iowa abbreviation is IA. This is a unique place with its own history, culture, and geography.



IA   Internet Archive
IA   Information Assurance
IA   Information Architecture
IA   Intel Architecture

IA stands for Internal Assessment (International Baccalaureate testing)

Not humans there.

ET or other aliens then?


Santa is the parents.

« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2020, 11:49 »
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are/is ?

 ???

« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2020, 14:06 »
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For fun a few months ago I sent SS a request that I was interested in becoming a photo reviewer.  They responded back to me in a couple of weeks . I didn't not save their email but it went something like this. It was a very nice and polite letter. Thank you for your interest in SS. At this time you just don't have the experience we are looking for as we have other applicants that fit our requirements better. Thank you from SS.  So I guess my dream job will be on hold. Now for my background. I have been doing stock photos since Mosses came down form the mountain. I have a small site on SS and most all the other top sites. I get small sales from most of the sites daily. I have sold/published over a million photos in my time on earth as a photographer ..again over a long time in the business. So maybe someday I can get my dream job as a reviewer. I can only hope and pray....W.Scott McGill

Trust me, you wouldn't have wanted the job even if they were interested in your application. I had to sign an NDA so I can't say much more ...

I was a reviewer for a different agency over a decade ago. I did it for a couple of years. There is nothing to it. You just look at photos and decided to accept or reject based upon the agency's standards. Back then you were paid 50cents per review, so some inspectors were making 6 figures. Of cause this was a long time ago. No doubt a great deal has changed since.

Ask Laurin he reviewed for 3 years and knows everyone important.

« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2020, 15:00 »
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Thank you, you made me laugh. regards.


My words difficult to understand among humans, it is impossible for Artificial Intelligence. AI, IA, Artificial Intelligence. If we show the machine the Nike logo, every time you see Espaa, Spain in an image, you will understand the Nike brand in .

Already OCR (Optical character recognition or optical character reader ,OCR ) developers would like to, scan deciphering letters in images to advance in understanding the text, and that, which is plain text. Adding that the same word of the same language does not mean the same in Spanish from Europe to Spanish in Mexico. AI, IA, is simply impossible to distinguish a letter logo as text. If you go into 3d and with perspective, you can see from dirt to an octopus behind the logo of a beer.

In the discussion, they are not very human or very human, I no longer enter, but it is not the machines that examine the SS archives.

« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2020, 23:34 »
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Long review times (for videos), mass rejections and sales (RPD) have plummeted the second half of the month.

« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2020, 07:16 »
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Sometimes my pictures go to AI. A few seconds and rejections. Sometimes go to humans. More time and almost no rejections, but they are helped by AI too.

Is that a fact? Then what happens when I get accepted in a few seconds, is that AI too?

Do you have an inside source at SS that gave you this information?

It is a fact that AI is used in the review process, inside source Jon Oringer, 2016 Annual Report.  As far as I am aware the annual report is a legal document and falsehoods would be frowned upon, therefore I take it as fact.

« Reply #60 on: February 26, 2020, 09:08 »
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Perhaps they could use AI on large existing approved library in order to learn with no side effects, also evaluate, spot copiers, perhaps even irrelevant tagging etc etc Guess it is logic to protest for AI errors but an improved AI would be a really useful tool to clear libraries in the future.?

« Reply #61 on: February 26, 2020, 09:21 »
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Perhaps they could use AI on large existing approved library in order to learn with no side effects, also evaluate, spot copiers, perhaps even irrelevant tagging etc etc Guess it is logic to protest for AI errors but an improved AI would be a really useful tool to clear libraries in the future.?

In regards to search they have talked about their Machine Learning capabilities for many years, which gives you all you ask for and more, but which they choose not to use for those purposes. 

« Reply #62 on: February 26, 2020, 09:31 »
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Sometimes my pictures go to AI. A few seconds and rejections. Sometimes go to humans. More time and almost no rejections, but they are helped by AI too.

Is that a fact? Then what happens when I get accepted in a few seconds, is that AI too?

Do you have an inside source at SS that gave you this information?


well in did get this from one of their insider


"If you have not a similar image in your own portfolio, It's probably because there's another approved image from another contributor that is very very similar to your photo to the extent that the image processing software has been fooled that it's the same photo! You can try again one more time and if it was rejected again for the same reason, then I'm afraid that there's no way to add this photo to the library."

« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2020, 09:34 »
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For fun a few months ago I sent SS a request that I was interested in becoming a photo reviewer.  They responded back to me in a couple of weeks . I didn't not save their email but it went something like this. It was a very nice and polite letter. Thank you for your interest in SS. At this time you just don't have the experience we are looking for as we have other applicants that fit our requirements better. Thank you from SS.  So I guess my dream job will be on hold. Now for my background. I have been doing stock photos since Mosses came down form the mountain. I have a small site on SS and most all the other top sites. I get small sales from most of the sites daily. I have sold/published over a million photos in my time on earth as a photographer ..again over a long time in the business. So maybe someday I can get my dream job as a reviewer. I can only hope and pray....W.Scott McGill

Trust me, you wouldn't have wanted the job even if they were interested in your application. I had to sign an NDA so I can't say much more ...

I was a reviewer for a different agency over a decade ago. I did it for a couple of years. There is nothing to it. You just look at photos and decided to accept or reject based upon the agency's standards. Back then you were paid 50cents per review, so some inspectors were making 6 figures. Of cause this was a long time ago. No doubt a great deal has changed since.

Ask Laurin he reviewed for 3 years and knows everyone important.


or so he tells us.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #64 on: February 26, 2020, 11:04 »
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Sometimes my pictures go to AI. A few seconds and rejections. Sometimes go to humans. More time and almost no rejections, but they are helped by AI too.

Is that a fact? Then what happens when I get accepted in a few seconds, is that AI too?

Do you have an inside source at SS that gave you this information?


well in did get this from one of their insider


"If you have not a similar image in your own portfolio, It's probably because there's another approved image from another contributor that is very very similar to your photo to the extent that the image processing software has been fooled that it's the same photo! You can try again one more time and if it was rejected again for the same reason, then I'm afraid that there's no way to add this photo to the library."

Adobe has said the same when I had one rejected that was nothing like any of mine. I don't find the information controversial or a discovery?  ;D

I don't get that kind of reject, rarely for a series of shots, but apparently some people who upload gross of Lego People, find it upsetting. Or maybe someone with 50 poppy photos or how many marijuana bud shots, before the buyers have all they need? Yet on SS, the AI (yes I admit there's some software finding these to notify the reviewers) will find a blue and yellow boat, and start deciding all blue and yellow boats are similar. It's not very smart.

Here's an example of dumb AI similar detection



So no I don't disagree and yes you are right, similar can mean someone else uploaded something similar and the agency thinks they have too many already. FT before Adobe, rejected something I uploaded. I appealed and got this personal response from the reviewer. "too many like this and they don't sell well."  Nice that some individual's subjective opinion can decide what they accepted and what got rejected.

« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2020, 19:09 »
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The owner of the land, Google, invests what he does not have and more in trying to track the crime of hate speech in the EU. track and track for fake news. They are not able to see it clearly, and they would like it very much.

If SS used AI to give access or not to the archives in its library, minorities, religion, certain social groups and some country, they would have already exposed their complaints and possible diplomatic conflicts with some country.

The language is very subtle, and I firmly maintain that the examiners are human. It has no SS capability, nor means of AI in file exams. In addition, it may take decades to get something in this direction to start a path. Decades

The AI can't understand a picture today. I am not going to ask you also, that as you learn you will be looking longer if you find a file that you like very much, or get to love. Nor will I ask the AI to exclaim WOW when he finds a sexy robot.

If they had AI to decide on files, the SS would have more value than Google, Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram, APPLE, Microsoft, ...

The new owner of the planet would be SS.

« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2020, 04:08 »
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"Nor will I ask the AI to exclaim WOW when he finds a sexy robot."

LOL!!!!!!!!

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2020, 09:16 »
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The owner of the land, Google, invests what he does not have and more in trying to track the crime of hate speech in the EU. track and track for fake news. They are not able to see it clearly, and they would like it very much.

If SS used AI to give access or not to the archives in its library, minorities, religion, certain social groups and some country, they would have already exposed their complaints and possible diplomatic conflicts with some country.

The language is very subtle, and I firmly maintain that the examiners are human. It has no SS capability, nor means of AI in file exams. In addition, it may take decades to get something in this direction to start a path. Decades

The AI can't understand a picture today. I am not going to ask you also, that as you learn you will be looking longer if you find a file that you like very much, or get to love. Nor will I ask the AI to exclaim WOW when he finds a sexy robot.

If they had AI to decide on files, the SS would have more value than Google, Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram, APPLE, Microsoft, ...

The new owner of the planet would be SS.

"Nor will I ask the AI to exclaim WOW when he finds a sexy robot."

LOL!!!!!!!!


+ to both!  5,542 sexy robot stock photos  ;D

« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2020, 09:29 »
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are/is ?

 ???

Santa (singular)

So "Santa is the parent"

and

Santa and Mrs Santa are the parents  ;D

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2020, 10:06 »
+1
are/is ?

 ???

Santa (singular)

So "Santa is the parent"

and

Santa and Mrs Santa are the parents  ;D

As a robot you should know best.

« Reply #70 on: February 28, 2020, 12:03 »
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"Nor will I ask the AI to exclaim WOW when he finds a sexy robot."

LOL!!!!!!!!

Yes I concur sexy robots are WOW!  ;D

But back to the subject.  I went for years without rejections now in the last month
stupid rejections for similars or "we are no longer accepting this kind of content.

Since when does having two photos of a subject at entirely different angles constitute similars?

Especially when they allow stolen news images and floods of similars from Eastern European and Asian countries.

Contacting so called contributor support is complete waste of time you get other contributors who know nothing and if you escalate to a "company rep" you get farmed out to someone in India who knows nothing too.

This company has gone to the dogs and is no longer worth the bother.

« Last Edit: February 28, 2020, 16:37 by Bad Robot »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #71 on: February 29, 2020, 12:32 »
+3

But back to the subject.  I went for years without rejections now in the last month
stupid rejections for similars or "we are no longer accepting this kind of content.

Since when does having two photos of a subject at entirely different angles constitute similars?


When they make the rules, that's when.

If they only want photos of Pink Poodles between the hours of Noon and Nine on Wed. That's the way it is.

Remember all the shouting and hand wringing about too many similars, too much spam, too many of the same things. Well there we are, now SS is restricting similar content and subjects that are over produced, or already existing. Remember, how many people complained, and wanted tougher reviews, higher standards, while many people were critical of new members and their quality or content.

Some asked for that and we all got it, not like new rules would only apply to someone else.

« Reply #72 on: February 29, 2020, 14:58 »
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The SS agency was characterized by having everything. That is a great value. If someone needs a file on the groin of a cricket, SS is likely to have it.

Now, if you are looking for the collection of uniforms of an army, go to another agency, SS accepts spam from covid 19, from a person with the boat in three hands, left, right and the center hand holding the boat. In addition, the same with a vaccine, vaccine in the right hand, vaccine in the left hand and vaccine in the center arm. all in order to divert the images you want to sell.


The spam is eaten voluntarily, not valid collections.
There is no such issue in threads of other agencies. It's not about spam of similar images, it's about common sense. It is not about the quality of the reviews, it is about global ridicule and that they are not considered professionals, something very negative for the agency.

If you want the sports uniform of the football teams of the European championship, or another event, do not look in SS. They only accept the first file. It's not about similar, it's about being a hater, troll, instead of a professional examiner. The head of the agency, for your home, and they will get the new boss, not to come to Christmas in this agency. The enemy is at home.

10 random people, found in any subway, train or bus station, from any corner of the world, put them to examine and do better. Better.


The issue is, what is the purpose of this stupidity? My neuron does not give me, I have no mental capacity to try to find a single reason for such stupidity.

The examiners, have to have a lot of stomach and a very special digestion, to read the comments on the official forum, and look the other way.

« Reply #73 on: February 29, 2020, 17:01 »
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Some rejections are just automatic.

It's easy to see it on BS, the same program that SS uses, and they are using it on weekends or when they have a lot of pictures flood.

This week I had a 100/100 approved on BS but today I have a 100x100 rejection rate. Same pictures.

You can do nothing with this, just talk and have fun.

« Reply #74 on: February 29, 2020, 17:29 »
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Saludos Trabuco


True, talking is the only thing we can do. And I do it, because I am aware, that the International Olympic Committee is meditating to include collaborators of SS archives among elite High Risk athletes.

It would be the first step in accessing an Olympiad and recognizing the work of SS contributors.


As for weekends, they only send very positive people, with great positivism that borders on faith in religions. A very cruel hope in this case, they will destroy you mercilessly.

Send on weekends only the brave ones do.


 

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