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« Reply #100 on: October 18, 2015, 11:21 »
+3
Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........
He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."

I am responding to the quote, not Ticktock.  That's probably because he has exclusivity with IS/Getty, still runs his own site that competes with IS/Getty, is on other micros which also competes with IS/Getty. What mainstream contributor would ever get that deal? Yuri's success has little correlation to those bound by agency exclusivity rules.


« Reply #101 on: October 18, 2015, 11:30 »
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Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........
He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."

I am responding to the quote, not Ticktock.  That's probably because he has exclusivity with IS/Getty, still runs his own site that competes with IS/Getty, is on other micros which also competes with IS/Getty. What mainstream contributor would ever get that deal? Yuri's success has little correlation to those bound by agency exclusivity rules.
Ok, just responding to the question of whether or not he was doing well.

« Reply #102 on: October 18, 2015, 12:11 »
+2
He might have his best hear but the million invested in that Mobile phone site probably didn't give him the return he wanted. If it did we would have heard about it

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #103 on: October 18, 2015, 12:33 »
+1
Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........
He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."
"Depends on Nov and Dec sales this year."
I am very curious to know how he's shielding his income from subs, especially the recent one month subs offering.

« Reply #104 on: October 18, 2015, 12:38 »
+1
Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........
He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."
"Depends on Nov and Dec sales this year."
I am very curious to know how he's shielding his income from subs, especially the recent one month subs offering.
With all the vitriol on this site (just look at how much hatin' there is in this thread) I think it's safe to say he won't be coming here to answer anyone's questions.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #105 on: October 18, 2015, 12:44 »
+4
Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........
He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."
"Depends on Nov and Dec sales this year."
I am very curious to know how he's shielding his income from subs, especially the recent one month subs offering.
With all the vitriol on this site (just look at how much hatin' there is in this thread) I think it's safe to say he won't be coming here to answer anyone's questions.
I don't see much, if any, hate.
Just a lot of questioning of his analysis and 'selection' of data to bump his suggestions.

« Reply #106 on: October 18, 2015, 12:46 »
+1
Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........

He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."

"Depends on Nov and Dec sales this year."
I am very curious to know how he's shielding his income from subs, especially the recent one month subs offering.

With all the vitriol on this site (just look at how much hatin' there is in this thread) I think it's safe to say he won't be coming here to answer anyone's questions.

I don't see much, if any, hate.
Just a lot of questioning of his analysis and 'selection' of data to bump his suggestions.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hating
"When one puts down the success or fortune of others due to jealousy. "

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #107 on: October 18, 2015, 13:00 »
+7
With all the vitriol on this site (just look at how much hatin' there is in this thread) I think it's safe to say he won't be coming here to answer anyone's questions.

I don't see much, if any, hate.
Just a lot of questioning of his analysis and 'selection' of data to bump his suggestions.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hating
"When one puts down the success or fortune of others due to jealousy. "

Where do you and Lagereek get the idea that questioning Yuri's analysis of Adobestock comes from jealousy, rather than simply questioning his article's rigour?

« Reply #108 on: October 18, 2015, 13:02 »
+4
Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........

He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."

"Depends on Nov and Dec sales this year."
I am very curious to know how he's shielding his income from subs, especially the recent one month subs offering.

With all the vitriol on this site (just look at how much hatin' there is in this thread) I think it's safe to say he won't be coming here to answer anyone's questions.

I don't see much, if any, hate.
Just a lot of questioning of his analysis and 'selection' of data to bump his suggestions.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hating
"When one puts down the success or fortune of others due to jealousy. "


Could you please link to some of these hateful and vitriolic posts?  I read the whole thread and don't remember anything like that.

« Reply #109 on: October 18, 2015, 13:07 »
+1
With all the vitriol on this site (just look at how much hatin' there is in this thread) I think it's safe to say he won't be coming here to answer anyone's questions.

I don't see much, if any, hate.
Just a lot of questioning of his analysis and 'selection' of data to bump his suggestions.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hating
"When one puts down the success or fortune of others due to jealousy. "

Where do you and Lagereek get the idea that questioning Yuri's analysis of Adobestock comes from jealousy, rather than simply questioning his article's rigour?

Most comments including your own are about Yuri himself not his analysis of Adobe.  It looks like a lot of jealousy and sour grapes to me but that's what this place is about so it shouldn't be surprising.

« Reply #110 on: October 18, 2015, 13:45 »
+2
I'm not sure in what way we are calling Yuri a leader.  He definitely was and maybe still is the sales leader in microstock contributors.  Let's don't confuse that with being a leader in the contributor community. 

Yuri always market himself well and look out for his own interests.  Thats fine.  No name calling from me.  But that isn't the same as being a leader for contributors.  I would say there are others who taken a stand speaking for contributors like Sean and JoAnn, and they were punished for it by agencies.  That was bravery and real leadership. When these two speak I listen because I know they are looking at the whole industry, not just their own interests.

punished by the agencies for speaking out...
yes, and others like lisafx (remember her???) also got punished for speaking out
like yuri is doing .
we must remember that this here like anyway else is a forum. a forum if i remember is a place you can speak out without being stabbed by your friends and fiends pretending to be your friend.
but ah yes, the first forum , we had stabbing too and today here in this forum and elsewhere we
have even more great grand children of Brutus  ;D

if you and i are allow to speak out, so should yuri and lisafx etc
so long as it is not directly at you or me or yuri personally. yuri  is speaking out at msg not everyone but certain ppl who knows who they are. i don't think this is not acceptable, since
it is a fact he did come in here and got hammered.
as i said, i don't like yuri for certain obvious reasons, but that does not mean he is not allowed to
open his mouth, like you and me

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #111 on: October 18, 2015, 14:07 »
+3
With all the vitriol on this site (just look at how much hatin' there is in this thread) I think it's safe to say he won't be coming here to answer anyone's questions.

I don't see much, if any, hate.
Just a lot of questioning of his analysis and 'selection' of data to bump his suggestions.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hating
"When one puts down the success or fortune of others due to jealousy. "

Where do you and Lagereek get the idea that questioning Yuri's analysis of Adobestock comes from jealousy, rather than simply questioning his article's rigour?

Most comments including your own are about Yuri himself not his analysis of Adobe.  It looks like a lot of jealousy and sour grapes to me but that's what this place is about so it shouldn't be surprising.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

He's been 'near to bankruptcy' twice and I haven't; what would I have to be jealous of?
I do have the right to question what he says, whether it's how much better iStock was going to be when he was project managing, or his half-baked analysis of Adobe, and his unverified attack on their actions. (I'm not saying it's untrue, I'm saying he has made a huge accusation without any evidence. Like a lot he says.)

But as you're making it personal, I'll observe that it's not surprising that you're defending the indefensible.

« Reply #112 on: October 18, 2015, 14:13 »
+1
I'll observe that it's not surprising that you're defending the indefensible.
What exactly am I defending here?

« Reply #113 on: October 18, 2015, 14:14 »
+7
Sue was faster.

I really dont see why people here would be jealous of him. Many of us have had businesses with employees and left the rat race happily to do stock.

Sean or the other single artist superstars are more interesting, because their success shows me what can be achieved as a single artists without the headache of a huge team.

And those of us who are indie, or have left exclusivity have no reason to be sad. We escaped just in time and can now benefit from new opportunities at Adobe and simply relax while the agencies fight it out.

But I would be interested in what kind of projects Yuri managed at istock and if he was successful with that. I still have 4000 files at istock and if istock/getty improve, so will my income. It is one of the marketplace I work with, like SS, adobe or dreamstime.

And if Adobe continues to grow...people of course will be curious, when Yuri jumps into the next exclusive relationship. And why not, if he gets a good offer.

Adobe will take over a very large part of the market and istock/getty will suffer first, because they have been falling behind with just SS as a competitor and havent shown any signs of innovation unfortunately. So he is right about the power of adobe and I guess it is just a matter of time until he follows his own analysis.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 14:18 by cobalt »

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #114 on: October 18, 2015, 14:17 »
+7
I'll observe that it's not surprising that you're defending the indefensible.
What exactly am I defending here?
You're defending Yuri's unverified statements indirectly by claiming that those who would question them are haters or jealous, rather than engaging with the issues objectively.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 14:31 by ShadySue »

« Reply #115 on: October 18, 2015, 14:20 »
+1
I'll observe that it's not surprising that you're defending the indefensible.
What exactly am I defending here?
Your are defending Yuri's unverified statements indirectly by claiming that those who would question them are haters or jealous, rather than engaging with the issues objectively.
That's nutty, I haven't said anything about the few comments that question his blog post I'm talking about the vast majority of comments aimed at Yuri like you calling him "delusional".  If you want to talk about issues talk about them but almost everything you've said is about Yuri not his blog post.  I really couldn't care less about his analysis of Adobe, it's his analysis for him, it's not how I would judge a site. 
What issues have you even brought up?  How he's delusional, how he nearly filed for bankruptcy, he got a special deal, made a video for fotolia, glass houses, he brags, his site isn't doing well etc.. none of that has anything to do with issues about his analysis it's petty and personal.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 14:29 by tickstock »

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #116 on: October 18, 2015, 14:27 »
+7
That's nutty, I haven't said anything about the few comments that question his blog post I'm talking about the vast majority of comments aimed at Yuri like you calling him "delusional". 
Yuri said, "please lets tone down the swearing and name calling" when there had been no instances of either. I made it quite clear that that was the specific reason I called him delusional.
The other tangential comments I've made about Yuri are the reasons I can't take his pronouncements seriously.
It seems to me as though he must be as worried as iStock are about Adobestock to have bothered, as they did, to make a specific post about it.

« Reply #117 on: October 18, 2015, 15:15 »
+3
I'm not sure in what way we are calling Yuri a leader.  He definitely was and maybe still is the sales leader in microstock contributors.  Let's don't confuse that with being a leader in the contributor community. 

Yuri always market himself well and look out for his own interests.  Thats fine.  No name calling from me.  But that isn't the same as being a leader for contributors.  I would say there are others who taken a stand speaking for contributors like Sean and JoAnn, and they were punished for it by agencies.  That was bravery and real leadership. When these two speak I listen because I know they are looking at the whole industry, not just their own interests.

punished by the agencies for speaking out...
yes, and others like lisafx (remember her???) also got punished for speaking out
like yuri is doing .
we must remember that this here like anyway else is a forum. a forum if i remember is a place you can speak out without being stabbed by your friends and fiends pretending to be your friend.
but ah yes, the first forum , we had stabbing too and today here in this forum and elsewhere we
have even more great grand children of Brutus  ;D

if you and i are allow to speak out, so should yuri and lisafx etc
so long as it is not directly at you or me or yuri personally. yuri  is speaking out at msg not everyone but certain ppl who knows who they are. i don't think this is not acceptable, since
it is a fact he did come in here and got hammered.
as i said, i don't like yuri for certain obvious reasons, but that does not mean he is not allowed to
open his mouth, like you and me

;) It is all butterfly's and puppy dog kisses as long as you go along with the group crowdspeak

« Reply #118 on: October 18, 2015, 15:23 »
+1

;) It is all butterfly's and puppy dog kisses as long as you go along with the group crowdspeak

+10 .  yuri is not the only one who speak his mind. everyone does here.
only problem is if your name is yuri arcurs, you will offend certain ppl...
but if yuri arcurs came in here under a pseudonym and say the same thing
it will get a lot of +'s  8)

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #119 on: October 18, 2015, 15:24 »
+3

;) It is all butterfly's and puppy dog kisses as long as you go along with the group crowdspeak

+10 .  yuri is not the only one who speak his mind. everyone does here.
only problem is if your name is yuri arcurs, you will offend certain ppl...
but if yuri arcurs came in here under a pseudonym and say the same thing
it will get a lot of +'s  8)
Why?
No matter who said it, it's a lot of poor statistics and an unexplained accusation.

« Reply #120 on: October 18, 2015, 15:31 »
+1
No matter who said it, it's a lot of poor statistics and an unexplained accusation.
You're looking for some crazy conspiracy.  He's basically saying most Shutterstock users use Adobe.  Shutterstock and Adobe have mostly the same images.  Adobe can market to people with Shutterstock subscriptions and take them away with cheaper prices. 

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #121 on: October 18, 2015, 15:54 »
+7
No matter who said it, it's a lot of poor statistics and an unexplained accusation.
You're looking for some crazy conspiracy.  He's basically saying most Shutterstock users use Adobe.  Shutterstock and Adobe have mostly the same images.  Adobe can market to people with Shutterstock subscriptions and take them away with cheaper prices.
This is exactly what he said:
"Another problem Shutterstock is facing is that unlike Getty, Peopleimages, and iStock they dont have a distinctive look nor do they have exclusive images as a selling point. To make things worse, every single buyer of a Shutterstock image loads that image into an Adobe program at some point. Adobe basically has their straw straight down into Shutterstocks customer list. So if Adobe decides to, they can entice their users to sign up with Adobe Stock and make it very attractive to discard any Shutterstock subscription. What do you think will happen when the avid Photoshop user starts experiencing small in-program suggestions to join Adobe Stock with offerings that are cheaper than Shutterstock for the same images? Lets face it, Shutterstock is replaceable but there is no other viable alternative to Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, etc."

"Adobe basically has their straw straight down into Shutterstocks customer list." is a very odd phrasing, which I took as meaning they could somehow spy on users. If it's as simple as they can market to SS's customers, why not iS's, DT's or any other agency's on the same principle?
BTW, Adobe do what they should, and after several AdobeStock marketing emails in a short period of time, I unsubscribed from all Adobe emails (didn't seem to be a way of ending the stock ones and keeping the rest) and I haven't had any since. That's a positive.

He really thinks iStock "has a distinctive 'look'" even over the past year or so? That's pretty unjustifiable.

He says, "While analysing Adobes entry into stock its worth mentioning that Shutterstock offers the exact same images as Adobe Stock (and I mean identical)." That's untrue, as lots of people left Ft for various reasons over the years, but didn't leave Shutterstock. JoAnn is just one case in point. Presumably there are plenty of pics on Ft that aren't on SS because of different acceptance policies. And an unknown proportion of exclusive images there.

At the same time, he said, "By purchasing fotolia.com Adobe got themselves one of the biggest collections of mediocre images the world has ever seen" Which is odd, if they're identical to SS's collection. Again, has he seen what iS's been accepting over the past year or so?

He says, "My own customers on peopleimages.com are often complaining that shutterstock.com and fotolia.com looks outdated and refer to the images as looking old, bad, too similar and too heavily populated by cartoons and vectors." Do they really not know how to remove cartoons and vectors from their searches?
He hasn't explained why his 'own customers on peopleimages' don't use iStock, which also has plenty of cartoons and vectors, which can also be excluded from the search if not wanted, except for the largeish number of raster graphics which haven't been relabelled illustrations yet.

"Shutterstock is finding themselves face to face with Adobe like no other stock agency out there. They even acquire customers the same way, using millions on Adwords and SEO" And the other stock agencies don't do that? (I don't know about the first as I use AdBlock, but SEO is pretty standard practice.)

Really, I can't be bothered to go over every other superficial point he's made. It's like a fluffy, insubstantial freezine or tabloid piece.

Why did he crawl out of the woodwork after a year to produce this tat? He hasn't attacked any of the other new starts in the intervening months, so he must have a good reason to come out and attack this one.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 03:47 by ShadySue »

« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2015, 16:10 »
+1
"Adobe basically has their straw straight down into Shutterstocks customer list." is a very odd phrasing, which I took as meaning they could somehow spy on users. If it's as simple as they can market to SS's customers, why not iS's, DT's or any other agency's on the same principle?
There is no reason to spy on customers.  Shutterstock and Adobe have overlapping customer lists, nearly every SS subscriber is also an Adobe user so they have that customer list already.  iStock has exclusive content so you can't show the exact same image at a cheaper price like you could with Shutterstock.  I assume he didn't compare DT because they aren't very relevant to anything.  To me that statement doesn't seem very controversial at all and why continue to throw personal insults at him if your goal is really to have an objective discussion? 
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 16:14 by tickstock »

« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2015, 16:18 »
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"I assume he didn't compare DT because they aren't very relevant to anything."

I'm not sure why after a year of silence he decided to compare anything to anything.  Even on Twitter, there wasn't any action for more than a year, until a tweet about the post.  I mean, he's not known as a reviewer of stock photo sites.

« Reply #124 on: October 18, 2015, 16:26 »
+1
"I assume he didn't compare DT because they aren't very relevant to anything."

I'm not sure why after a year of silence he decided to compare anything to anything.  Even on Twitter, there wasn't any action for more than a year, until a tweet about the post.  I mean, he's not known as a reviewer of stock photo sites.
I'd guess your best chance to get an answer would be to send him a message directly or post on his blog.  He's the only one that can give you the answer.


 

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