Author Topic: Yuri Arcurs comments on Adobe Stock (Read 47339 times)

gbalex · « **Reply #75 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:11 »

Quote from: cobalt on October 14, 2015, 02:50

Why would he need more contributors? He has 100 employees, doesn't he?

He produces a lot of high quality stock and presumably all rights are with his company.

Looks like a perfect plan to me.

If anyone wants to work for him, they can just apply.

Or are you hoping he becomes a new Agency you can join?

Yuri is competitive and he fully understands that one reason buyers would choose to buy at FT, SS, DT over his site is that they have a much larger selection of content.

He is also proactive and solution oriented, "if" he chose that option I would expect him to collaborate with large contributors with content that would benefit his long term business plan.

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #76 on:** October 14, 2015, 11:19 »

I don't understand this. To make things worse, every single buyer of a Shutterstock image loads that image into an Adobe program at some point. Adobe basically has their straw straight down into Shutterstock’s customer list.

Does he hint that Adobe is watching every image that we edit in cloud software? Or watching the source of every image that we open in any Adobe software? Isn't that illegal?

What does it mean?

Carmen · « **Reply #77 on:** October 14, 2015, 12:10 »

i would maybe agree with yuri if I could have the same deal of exclusivity he has with getty, the same percentage or comission (above any other exclusive), the possibility to sell my pictures in other places beside GI owned, content privileges etc

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #78 on:** October 14, 2015, 12:14 »

What Yuri is actually saying, is he never should have shot so much really good stock and let it go for such a pittance for so many years, with little or no control over how all those images are used.

ShadySue · « **Reply #79 on:** October 14, 2015, 15:53 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on October 14, 2015, 11:19

I don't understand this. To make things worse, every single buyer of a Shutterstock image loads that image into an Adobe program at some point. Adobe basically has their straw straight down into Shutterstock’s customer list.
Does he hint that Adobe is watching every image that we edit in cloud software? Or watching the source of every image that we open in any Adobe software? Isn't that illegal?
What does it mean?

Glorious irony. He says that msg is "dominated by trolls and unrefined criticism towards basically all establishments". , whereas he has made a pretty serious implication about Adobe's actions, with no proof offered.

NitorPhoto · « **Reply #80 on:** October 14, 2015, 20:01 »

- To be honest he has some fair points.
- I don't know why is he evaluating an agency he can't join as an IS exclusive.
- We don't know how well his plan works with Getty, we have no insider info but I am sure he got a very special deal to make it profitable.
- He switched to exclusive just before things turned to bad everywhere so I think he knows where to go.
- I am sure he earns a lot of money with peopleimages. It is far the best stock site I ever saw - in content, technology and ergonomy. If I were a buyer I would choose them. Since I am a stock photographer I hate them for grabbing the buyers.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #81 on:** October 14, 2015, 20:13 »

Quote from: ShadySue on October 14, 2015, 15:53

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on October 14, 2015, 11:19
I don't understand this. To make things worse, every single buyer of a Shutterstock image loads that image into an Adobe program at some point. Adobe basically has their straw straight down into Shutterstock’s customer list.
Does he hint that Adobe is watching every image that we edit in cloud software? Or watching the source of every image that we open in any Adobe software? Isn't that illegal?
What does it mean?
Glorious irony. He says that msg is "dominated by trolls and unrefined criticism towards basically all establishments". , whereas he has made a pretty serious implication about Adobe's actions, with no proof offered.

What I don't get is, why single out Shutterstock here? Many (certainly not all) people who purchase an image from anywhere are likely inserting it into an Adobe program, including images from Yuri's own site. And why would Adobe need to steal customer information from anyone? If they're using Adobe products, Adobe already knows who they are.

It reminds me of someone else's posts here...someone who focuses almost exclusively on slamming Shutterstock.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #82 on:** October 15, 2015, 00:20 »

Yuri is upset with shutter because they didn't want to dance to his tunes

Tryingmybest · « **Reply #83 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:40 »

Quote from: fotorob on October 12, 2015, 06:27

After being quiet for quite a while, Yuri breaks his silence evaluating Adobe Stock:
http://arcurs.com/2015/10/a-closer-look-at-adobe-stock/

My favorite part is in the conclusion where he complains about the "mediocre" quality of images at Fotolia and Shutterstock. :-)

What are your thoughts?

I don't dislike Yuri. He's a bellwether for our industry. I found the comments (and his responses) in his article on his site more insightful than his article. The only thing I don't like is that he feels bitter toward the MSG forum. I think there are a lot of folk that hide behind their keyboards writing nasty things that they would NEVER say to the person's face.

Carmen · « **Reply #84 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:56 »

We are talking about the same guy that predicted couple of years ago that today every photographer (including his photographers) were going to be using nokia smartphones in their photoshoots instead of DSLRs

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #85 on:** October 15, 2015, 12:25 »

Quote from: Striving on October 15, 2015, 11:40

I don't dislike Yuri. He's a bellwether for our industry. I found the comments (and his responses) in his article on his site more insightful than his article. The only thing I don't like is that he feels bitter toward the MSG forum. I think there are a lot of folk that hide behind their keyboards writing nasty things that they would NEVER say to the person's face.

that's true too... i agree. then again, if i were Yuri Arcurs , or as big as he is in microstock,
i would say everything i feel ... against everyone on msg,etc
and not give a r@ts ar$e what they think ...

why???

simply because i am Yuri Arcurs. and that's exactly why you have to admire him , like or hate him,
he wiped us all with his sales in microstock...
and many hate him for that.

as for me, i don't like or hate him, i just like the idea that someone actually could make that much money in microstock... and it wasn't me

PixelBytes · « **Reply #86 on:** October 15, 2015, 22:50 »

Quote from: loop on October 14, 2015, 09:57

That's true. It is a sustainability problem. Most of my exclusive friends andt acquitances at istock, some of them really amazing photographers, are stopping uploads because lack of budget to produce.

This is happening for indies too. Less and less people are bothering to do HCV shoots. Not worth it for decreasing earnings.

Tryingmybest · « **Reply #87 on:** October 16, 2015, 13:11 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 15, 2015, 12:25

Quote from: Striving on October 15, 2015, 11:40
I don't dislike Yuri. He's a bellwether for our industry. I found the comments (and his responses) in his article on his site more insightful than his article. The only thing I don't like is that he feels bitter toward the MSG forum. I think there are a lot of folk that hide behind their keyboards writing nasty things that they would NEVER say to the person's face.

that's true too... i agree. then again, if i were Yuri Arcurs , or as big as he is in microstock,
i would say everything i feel ... against everyone on msg,etc
and not give a r@ts ar$e what they think ...

why???

simply because i am Yuri Arcurs. and that's exactly why you have to admire him , like or hate him,
he wiped us all with his sales in microstock...
and many hate him for that.

as for me, i don't like or hate him, i just like the idea that someone actually could make that much money in microstock... and it wasn't me

Indeed. Slander is the penalty of leadership. He's got a very bright future. But so do we, as individuals, if we focus our energy on improving our skills and avoid other distractions.

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #88 on:** October 16, 2015, 22:10 »

Quote from: Striving on October 16, 2015, 13:11

Indeed. Slander is the penalty of leadership. He's got a very bright future. But so do we, as individuals, if we focus our energy on improving our skills and avoid other distractions.

yes for sure, the internet encourage slander becuase it's difficult to charge anyone. in fact, some civilized countries don't do anything about slander either. i think only USA is where you can charge someone for slander.
back to your penalty for leadership. i remember someone once said, when you have ppl slandering you or angry at you, you are doing something very right; no one is ever envious of a loser.
the more successful you are, the more ppl hate you because there are more losers than winners.

cobalt · « **Reply #89 on:** October 17, 2015, 02:36 »

There are many successful people who have a huge following because they know how to inspire and lead online. You also don't see them complaining about haters if the net community doesn't agree with them.

Respect goes both ways and you usually get what you give.

But in this case i really don't see the hate. Last year he made a very public announcement about his departure from the micros and his disdain for SS. He also announced that he will personally manage important projects on istock, to get the company back to growth and to compete against SS.

Then he goes silent for a year. And whatever project he managed at istock, we never again hear about it and sales continue to fall, more exclusive artists leave.

Now he is back with a mix of good analysis and fear how Adobe can reach into SS customer list whenever you add a SS image to Photoshop. I suppose he means to imply that Adobe is monitoring competitors customer behaviour by analysing metadata or image numbers.

And people will discuss what he writes.. If he really thinks msg is a pit of haters and little people, then I wonder why admins from SS and Fotolia feel so comfortable interacting here?

Maybe their success is based on taking the contributor community and their concerns seriously and not driving them away and intimidating them like istock and Getty have done.

Also having company admins reach out on public forums is a natural thing to do for internet companies in 2015, not some super human challenge or impossible task.

Companies that succeed don't need to hide on their own boards where they can censor everything.

I still admire that he is successful with his own company and is ready to employ and feed so many people.

But his business model is not one I will emulate because I have no intention of running a large studio. My needs and requirements are very different to his and whatever deals he can work out because of the size of his business have no effect on the majority of contributors.

His problems and his solutions are very different from our needs.

ShadySue · « **Reply #90 on:** October 17, 2015, 08:29 »

Quote from: Striving on October 16, 2015, 13:11

Slander is the penalty of leadership.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean; his online-published innuendo about Adobe could be 'trade libel', not slander.

Carmen · « **Reply #91 on:** October 17, 2015, 13:12 »

I do not see any name calling anywhere here, neither hate. Some people maybe think that not agreeing with the leader is equal to slander, name calling etc.
Yuri accurs not long time ago, HERE, in these forums made predictions that never happened, and today he write more analisys and predictions that maybe are true for him but not for the rest of us. During years he was the champion of being independent and suddenly he joined getty/istock exclusivity betraying his own principals. Why now he should be listened seriously? How he dare to came here to cry about name callings inviting critics to go to his own web site where he can easily control better and maybe censor what we say about his predictions and statements?
I will not be surprised if in the future he join adobe as exclusive star if conditions are better for HIS own interest there and came back with new statements and predictions.
Yuri should be respected, yes, but he first has to respect himself and the others.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #92 on:** October 17, 2015, 22:11 »

I'm not sure in what way we are calling Yuri a leader. He definitely was and maybe still is the sales leader in microstock contributors. Let's don't confuse that with being a leader in the contributor community.

Yuri always market himself well and look out for his own interests. Thats fine. No name calling from me. But that isn't the same as being a leader for contributors. I would say there are others who taken a stand speaking for contributors like Sean and JoAnn, and they were punished for it by agencies. That was bravery and real leadership. When these two speak I listen because I know they are looking at the whole industry, not just their own interests.

Mantis · « **Reply #93 on:** October 17, 2015, 22:22 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on October 17, 2015, 22:11

I'm not sure in what way we are calling Yuri a leader. He definitely was and maybe still is the sales leader in microstock contributors. Let's don't confuse that with being a leader in the contributor community.

Yuri always market himself well and look out for his own interests. Thats fine. No name calling from me. But that isn't the same as being a leader for contributors. I would say there are others who taken a stand speaking for contributors like Sean and JoAnn, and they were punished for it by agencies. That was bravery and real leadership. When these two speak I listen because I know they are looking at the whole industry, not just their own interests.

Good post

marthamarks · « **Reply #94 on:** October 17, 2015, 22:34 »

Quote from: Mantis on October 17, 2015, 22:22

Quote from: PixelBytes on October 17, 2015, 22:11
I'm not sure in what way we are calling Yuri a leader. He definitely was and maybe still is the sales leader in microstock contributors. Let's don't confuse that with being a leader in the contributor community.

Yuri always market himself well and look out for his own interests. Thats fine. No name calling from me. But that isn't the same as being a leader for contributors. I would say there are others who taken a stand speaking for contributors like Sean and JoAnn, and they were punished for it by agencies. That was bravery and real leadership. When these two speak I listen because I know they are looking at the whole industry, not just their own interests.

Good post

Yep.

sharpshot · « **Reply #95 on:** October 18, 2015, 03:45 »

I can't help thinking that at one time Yuri could of opened a site for everyone and it would probably be bigger than SS and istcok by now. It would of been a huge gamble but I think it would of worked. Maybe that's one reason why he isn't popular here? There was something he could of done to help most of us and I don't blame him for going exclusive but can't help but think we could all be much better off if he had taken full advantage when he was at his peak of popularity with contributors and buyers.

Going exclusive wiped out that popularity with a lot of non-exclusives who see Getty/istock as a greedy site that has to keep its investors happy at their expense.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #96 on:** October 18, 2015, 03:59 »

Quote from: sharpshot on October 18, 2015, 03:45

I can't help thinking that at one time Yuri could of opened a site for everyone and it would probably be bigger than SS and istcok by now. It would of been a huge gamble but I think it would of worked. Maybe that's one reason why he isn't popular here? There was something he could of done to help most of us and I don't blame him for going exclusive but can't help but think we could all be much better off if he had taken full advantage when he was at his peak of popularity with contributors and buyers.

Going exclusive wiped out that popularity with a lot of non-exclusives who see Getty/istock as a greedy site that has to keep its investors happy at their expense.

Think he's probably too much of a control freak took the much riskier step of employing people giving more control. What makes the Business model great for SS is that the suppliers bear nearly all the risk.

ShadySue · « **Reply #97 on:** October 18, 2015, 08:20 »

I'm still not sure why people think Yuri's own site is doing that well. Sure, it's a great looking site and has features some buyers will love, but if it was doing well, why would he be in bed with Getty at all? Even if he were earning slightly less by only being on his own site, he'd have the great satisfaction of having 'gone it alone' and won.
NB, I have only an academic interest in this, as I don't shoot models.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #98 on:** October 18, 2015, 10:51 »

Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........

tickstock · « **Reply #99 on:** October 18, 2015, 11:04 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on October 18, 2015, 10:51

Can help thinking if it was doing well we would have heard more........

He did say "I will most likely have the best year ever either this year or next year."

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