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ShadySue

« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2010, 17:34 »
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their answer seems honest to me

$25 is about what you'd get if you sold an extended lincence on most microstock sites, and that licence would certainly cover their intended use for a book cover


I've had two book covers via iStock (that I know of) and neither of them needed Extended Licences, as neither of them would have a run over 500,000. I guess that figure would be a small run in the US, but a pretty big run for a factual book in e.g. the UK.
So you're getting a lot  more than you'd get on iStock, unless it's a huge run book.



lisafx

« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2010, 18:40 »
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Simone,

Sorry I don't have anything to add to the good advice you have already gotten, but I would like to know how this turns out.  Hopefully the money will end up in your paypal account.   

« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2010, 18:55 »
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I recommend to accept the $25 offer. Take what you can and run!

Be prepared for next time this is happening and know your prices!

Regardless of image quality - if someone wants it, you have to charge.

« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2010, 21:23 »
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just be sure you are allowing them to use your picture as royalty-free, and NOT selling the rights
Why RF?  It's better to accept this as RM and say that further editions will require an extra license.

eyeCatchLight

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2010, 23:49 »
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thanks for all your answers....you are very nice people.

so how should i formulate all this, how do i make such a contract?
can i formulate an RM license and say that it has to be licensed again if for further use?
I guess I'd accept the offer. I just don't know how to set it up...
Thanks for all your help!!!

Simone

donding

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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2010, 00:05 »
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Hope I can get this doc file on here. this is a quickly  revised "invoice/contract" you can revise it to go with what you need.

eyeCatchLight

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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2010, 00:45 »
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Hope I can get this doc file on here. this is a quickly  revised "invoice/contract" you can revise it to go with what you need.

wow, thank you so much! I will go through this tomorrow, it is becoming late here.
Thank you for all your help!

Simone

donding

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2010, 09:39 »
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Hope I can get this doc file on here. this is a quickly  revised "invoice/contract" you can revise it to go with what you need.

wow, thank you so much! I will go through this tomorrow, it is becoming late here.
Thank you for all your help!

Simone
  Your more than welcome. Heh I didn't have a clue what I was doing when I had to do these so don't feel bad... ;D

RT


« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2010, 10:02 »
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So this is the answer... a bit weird.

Hi,
thanks for your message
I asked the Publisher and he told that he didn't have the special budget for the photo. He can pay only 100 polish zlotys its about 25 dollars
I know it's nothing....I feel really so embarrassed.... I just make third book cover for this publisher, I did't know him very well
A book is one from the set "Hellinger library": "Bringing the roots of organizations to light" Jan Jacob Stam
I attached link to materials about exactly this book
www.hellingerinstituut.nl/articles/article_03.htm
The print run of this book is ca 2.000 copies
I hope You decide to publish your photo on cover this book. For penny this time, but I make projects for others publischers too. They sometimes pay for pictures nothing, sometimes more.

sorry for my english
if you are still interest to give me permision to use your photo please send me your mail adres and I'll send you the project of the cover

best regards


should i do it?  ???


If the person that sent you this message is from the book publishers then they know very well how much they should be paying but they're hoping that you don't, the story of how the guy hasn't got much money, limited print run  etc etc is an old trick.

It's your image so if you're happy with $25 then fine, but they're ripping you off and they know it, especially as the book is already published. You could try informing them that the amount is not even 10% of what should be paid and unless they come up with a better offer they'll have to recall the printed books.

The more people are allowed to get away with this the more it'll happen.

eyeCatchLight

  • Imagination is more important than knowledge.
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2010, 10:42 »
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It's your image so if you're happy with $25 then fine, but they're ripping you off and they know it, especially as the book is already published. You could try informing them that the amount is not even 10% of what should be paid and unless they come up with a better offer they'll have to recall the printed books.

The more people are allowed to get away with this the more it'll happen.

actually i dont think it is published yet...i hope :D From my flickr anyway they can only get a small sized version (i have disabled downloads and so on), so I think they can't use it like that.
it seems that the person that wrote to me is not very well informed and just makes her designs or so. the publisher should be informed however.

yes, i actually want to point this out that photography is not just a free business! I dont like that it has become something "for free" due to the internet and google images and all the rest. if i am professional or not, people have to acknowledge this profession and value it!!

ShadySue

« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2010, 13:37 »
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It's your image so if you're happy with $25 then fine, but they're ripping you off and they know it, especially as the book is already published. You could try informing them that the amount is not even 10% of what should be paid and unless they come up with a better offer they'll have to recall the printed books.

The more people are allowed to get away with this the more it'll happen.

actually i dont think it is published yet...i hope :D From my flickr anyway they can only get a small sized version (i have disabled downloads and so on), so I think they can't use it like that.
it seems that the person that wrote to me is not very well informed and just makes her designs or so. the publisher should be informed however.

yes, i actually want to point this out that photography is not just a free business! I dont like that it has become something "for free" due to the internet and google images and all the rest. if i am professional or not, people have to acknowledge this profession and value it!!

The Big Question is what copyright restrictions was on the image at the time when they downloaded it? If you put copyright, all rights reserved or even CC but not for commercial use, you have some leverage over them, depending on jurisdictions etc. Still, like I said, $25 is a lot more than you'd have got from istock.

donding

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2010, 13:43 »
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If they can only download the thumbnail via flickr then they need the full res copy to publish. Otherwise I don't think they would be asking her for her permission to use it if they could download the full res copy off of Flickr. They probably wouldn't even ask.

RT


« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2010, 13:49 »
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actually i dont think it is published yet...i hope :D

I thought you said earlier that it was already on the cover of a published book, or was that their mock up, either way I hope it works out for you and you get a decent sum for the usage, I meant to say earlier whatever deal you do decide on make sure it includes them sending you a copy of the book.

eyeCatchLight

  • Imagination is more important than knowledge.
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2010, 13:55 »
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actually i dont think it is published yet...i hope :D

I thought you said earlier that it was already on the cover of a published book, or was that their mock up, either way I hope it works out for you and you get a decent sum for the usage, I meant to say earlier whatever deal you do decide on make sure it includes them sending you a copy of the book.

yeah well sorry I probably didn't express myself well. i think it is a book that is already "written", but they want to publish that same content with another book cover. that was my impression of this work.... sorry I said that.
No I don't think they have my image, they cannot download it... only Flickr size, and that's not enough for a book cover.

yeah i am currently struggling what to do, accept 25$ or ask for more... the copy of the book is a must, for sure.
it is the first time i am doing this, and i really don't know.

thanks for all your help!

donding

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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2010, 14:27 »
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Believe me I know what you mean. The first time I priced one.....I was hoping they did notice me shaking on the other end... ::)

It sounds like to me that it's not the publisher doing the cover but a designer. The book maybe being published or has been published and they needed a book cover for it.

« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2010, 17:01 »
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simsi,

I agree with RT about perhaps a trick, but if they need the high res version and if you would be ok to sell it in micros, where even a regular download allows the use on a book cover (an EL is required only above 500k copies) , then US$25 is ok.

But again, I would suggest selling at a RM license.  It may not impede further unauthorized use, but if selling RF then you can not claim anything.


 

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