Author Topic: Nikon D4 (Read 10418 times)

luissantos84 · « **on:** January 05, 2012, 12:14 »

looks like its for real

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/01/05/nikon-d4-leaked-in-french-magazine.aspx/

traveler1116 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:18 »

5D mark II is still better for stock and a third of the price.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:24 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 12:18

5D mark II is still better for stock and a third of the price.

my first camera was a D60 (1 year and 3 months), then got the D90 (1year and half now), last summer got a 24-70 so I believe I will stick with Nikon for a few time, D90 will be my camera for a little longer, perhaps the D800 for summer or later, no announcement yet

Holgs kind of talked with me to get a 5D once but it was a lot of money, will see how things go in stock and Canon too, always open

traveler1116 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:32 »

As an exclusive the sales from XXXL files are pretty nice, it's like an EL at SS (although probably just as rare). As a nonexclusive I would imagine the benefits are a little less since DT upsize all their images don't they and SS sells any size the same price.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:39 »

right basically bigger files are worth in IS and FT.. ok some other small agencies but not worth the expense

rinderart · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2012, 14:04 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 12:18

5D mark II is still better for stock and a third of the price.

Been with Nikon since the beginning. But...I agree. if I want more..I'll go back to med format. way to much Money for what it is.

cardmaverick · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2012, 14:51 »

You know... I love my D700, but at some point an upgrade is called for, and quite frankly I also need to upgrade my video pretty bad as well.... given the price of it, I'm more inclined to keep on looking at a Scarlet - not a massive jump in resolution, but I know it'll do both stills and video without compromise. Nikon and Canon DSLR's can't shoot video worth crap, especially if you like to move the camera around.... or avoid artifacts galore.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2012, 14:53 »

Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 14:51

Canon DSLR's can't shoot video worth crap, especially if you like to move the camera around.... or avoid artifacts galore.

Interesting I haven't heard that before.

cardmaverick · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2012, 15:00 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 14:53

Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 14:51
Canon DSLR's can't shoot video worth crap, especially if you like to move the camera around.... or avoid artifacts galore.
Interesting I haven't heard that before.

Keep in mind I've worked with professional video camera systems. Everything from BetaCams to VariCam and now Red One systems. If you come from my background shooting and color correcting footage from those types of systems, you won't be terribly impressed with DSLR video, and even less impressed with ergonomics.

Take a DSLR camera and try to shake it from side to side and see how squishy the image becomes. Terrible.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2012, 15:04 »

Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 15:00

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 14:53
Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 14:51
Canon DSLR's can't shoot video worth crap, especially if you like to move the camera around.... or avoid artifacts galore.
Interesting I haven't heard that before.

Keep in mind I've worked with professional video camera systems. Everything from BetaCams to VariCam and now Red One systems. If you come from my background shooting and color correcting footage from those types of systems, you won't be terribly impressed with DSLR video, and even less impressed with ergonomics.

Take a DSLR camera and try to shake it from side to side and see how squisy the image becomes. Terrible.

Are you comparing $100,000 systems to $500 dollar cameras though?

cardmaverick · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2012, 15:19 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 15:04

Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 15:00
Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 14:53
Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 14:51
Canon DSLR's can't shoot video worth crap, especially if you like to move the camera around.... or avoid artifacts galore.
Interesting I haven't heard that before.

Keep in mind I've worked with professional video camera systems. Everything from BetaCams to VariCam and now Red One systems. If you come from my background shooting and color correcting footage from those types of systems, you won't be terribly impressed with DSLR video, and even less impressed with ergonomics.

Take a DSLR camera and try to shake it from side to side and see how squisy the image becomes. Terrible.
Are you comparing $100,000 systems to $500 dollar cameras though?

Yes and no. None of those cameras I listed specifically will cost you $100K - even with a decent lens included, but I've used plenty of lower priced video cameras as well in the $1k-5k range that I would prefer over video DSLR's in the exact same price range.

I see they are listing this as a 1080P camera, but I have my doubts it will look good. DSLR's don't downres a full sensor capture, they skip lines (line sampling if I remember right) and it looks terrible, especially with high detail scenes. They also use slow rolling shutters, so the images wobble when you move the camera. If they can fix those issues, I'll be a bit more interested, but I don't think they will be recording with a very good format. H.264 is not a production worthy format, it's a distribution quicktime codec.

cardmaverick · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2012, 15:36 »

Just found a screen shot of a press release posted on Peta Pixel:

http://i.imgur.com/CBI5O.jpg

luissantos84 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2012, 16:15 »

Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 14:51

Nikon and Canon DSLR's can't shoot video worth crap, especially if you like to move the camera around.... or avoid artifacts galore.

sorry but thats an incredible (not to say ridiculous) thing to say, don´t know if you ever seen creativelive workshops (from Seattle who is owned by Chase Jarvis) which are for free during the live session.. A few time ago (July 11) there was a genius regarding film making/footage on the 5D and he said he even shoot footage for House MD serie, he is working there as one of the directors for 4 or 5 years.. his name is Gale Tattersall

HDDSLR Filmmaking

For the first time in history a camera that costs roughly $2,500 can shoot material good enough to hold its own weight on the highest professional levels. Gale Tattersall, renowned Director of Photography, has been at the forefront of pushing HDDSLR’s in Hollywood. He shot the season finale of House entirely on a Canon 5DMII last year.

rinderart · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2012, 16:15 »

Flagship??? Not for my dollars. And i agree about DSLR video. Good for B-roll and some applications. to many good Dedicated Video cameras now as compared to the big DSLR video rush a few years ago with a good pricepoint, A lot more versatility and ergonomics. I just did the still work on a new comedy film. The cinematographer used the Sony P3. I want That camera. or the new canon EOS 300C. I saw some footage from the canon at Paramount a month ago....OMG!!!!!!!!!

If your gonna do 15 sec stock clips a $1000 Panasonic Hs900 is Just fine.

rinderart · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2012, 16:17 »

Quote from: rinderart on January 05, 2012, 16:15

Flagship??? Not for my dollars. And i agree about DSLR video. Good for B-roll and some applications. to many good Dedicated Video cameras now as compared to the big DSLR video rush a few years ago with a good pricepoint, A lot more versatility and ergonomics. I just did the still work on a new comedy film. The cinematographer used the Sony P3. I want That camera. or the new canon EOS 300C. I saw some footage from the canon at Paramount a month ago....OMG!!!!!!!!!

If your gonna do 15 sec stock clips a $1000 Panasonic Hs900 is Just fine. But Like they say any camera in the hands of a pro.

cardmaverick · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2012, 16:37 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 05, 2012, 16:15

Quote from: cardmaverick on January 05, 2012, 14:51
Nikon and Canon DSLR's can't shoot video worth crap, especially if you like to move the camera around.... or avoid artifacts galore.

sorry but thats an incredible (not to say ridiculous) thing to say, don´t know if you ever seen creativelive workshops (from Seattle who is owned by Chase Jarvis) which are for free during the live session.. A few time ago (July 11) there was a genius regarding film making/footage on the 5D and he said he even shoot footage for House MD serie, he is working there as one of the directors for 4 or 5 years.. his name is Gale Tattersall

HDDSLR Filmmaking

For the first time in history a camera that costs roughly $2,500 can shoot material good enough to hold its own weight on the highest professional levels. Gale Tattersall, renowned Director of Photography, has been at the forefront of pushing HDDSLR’s in Hollywood. He shot the season finale of House entirely on a Canon 5DMII last year.

I'm aware of the House season finale, etc... Here's my big point. To get those cameras to perform well, you end up doing a ton of stuff you wouldn't normally need to do and you also loose a ton of flexibility in post because of the compressed formats used... Just because someone pulled a great image out of the camera does not mean it's a good camera.

Visit my website and look at my demo reel. A lot of those clips were shot using a DVX100A standard def camera.... yet I pulled 10bit uncompressed 720P footage out of it. It was modified, and quite frankly, a PITA to operate since it had to be tethered to a Mac Mini in a pelican case, all files needed to be rendered before I could view them, sound had to be synced in post, and the sensitivity of that system was practically 100 ISO, not very filmmaking friendly.

That system has issues galore - but I still pulled great images from it. Doesn't mean it's a great camera. I'm just a good DP

I've learned over the years to not base my opinion of a camera on footage anymore - any camera can produce a great - or lousy - image in the right hands. I'm way more focused on the actual tech specs because those represent the real tools I have to work with.

PS: There is a sensor filter on the market specifically designed to reduce artifacts produced by HDSLR cameras. In my opinion, you shouldn't need to buy an accessory like that.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2012, 16:44 »

I don´t know a single thing about making footage in a DSLR but after watching that workshop and looking of what they produce there I got the feeling it was a powerfull camera to do some nice video, he also talked and said what were the best options in camera to get the most of the video too, and of course tons of equipment like you see on a behind scene of a movie, really cool tripods, dollies, rolling systems, fancy stuff

rinderart · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2012, 17:19 »

That is correct. You get major filmaking talent behind anything and a 100K worth of equip and there ya go. Everything Is just another tool in the box and like everything Visual. it is subject specific.

rinderart · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2012, 17:20 »

Quote from: rinderart on January 05, 2012, 17:19

That is correct. You get major filmaking talent behind anything and a 100K worth of equip and there ya go. Everything Is just another tool in the box and like everything Visual. it is subject specific. But I wouldn't buy a D4 because of video function.

torrestheresa · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2012, 17:31 »

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wut · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2012, 17:52 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 12:32

As an exclusive the sales from XXXL files are pretty nice, it's like an EL at SS (although probably just as rare). As a nonexclusive I would imagine the benefits are a little less since DT upsize all their images don't they and SS sells any size the same price.

But there are still more then enough agencies that sell large sized photos. But it's true, like you said, those happen rarely at IS, besides I've never seen so many XS and S sales anywhere else. Although they're still far too frequent for my taste

luissantos84 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 05, 2012, 18:05 »

Quote from: wut on January 05, 2012, 17:52

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 12:32
As an exclusive the sales from XXXL files are pretty nice, it's like an EL at SS (although probably just as rare). As a nonexclusive I would imagine the benefits are a little less since DT upsize all their images don't they and SS sells any size the same price.

But there are still more then enough agencies that sell large sized photos. But it's true, like you said, those happen rarely at IS, besides I've never seen so many XS and S sales anywhere else. Although they're still far too frequent for my taste

from the top 5 agencies there is only IS and FT, of course the buyer can look into a size and go there because of that

traveler1116 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 05, 2012, 18:12 »

Quote from: wut on January 05, 2012, 17:52

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 12:32
As an exclusive the sales from XXXL files are pretty nice, it's like an EL at SS (although probably just as rare). As a nonexclusive I would imagine the benefits are a little less since DT upsize all their images don't they and SS sells any size the same price.

But there are still more then enough agencies that sell large sized photos. But it's true, like you said, those happen rarely at IS, besides I've never seen so many XS and S sales anywhere else. Although they're still far too frequent for my taste

Yep other sites do sell large sized photos. Problem is they are all subscription sales for 25-35 cents. It takes 90 of those sales to equal one on IS. And XS sales get over 2 dollars so I could sell 6 XXXL's on SS or one XS on IS to be even.

wut · « **Reply #23 on:** January 05, 2012, 19:06 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 18:12

Quote from: wut on January 05, 2012, 17:52
Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 12:32
As an exclusive the sales from XXXL files are pretty nice, it's like an EL at SS (although probably just as rare). As a nonexclusive I would imagine the benefits are a little less since DT upsize all their images don't they and SS sells any size the same price.

But there are still more then enough agencies that sell large sized photos. But it's true, like you said, those happen rarely at IS, besides I've never seen so many XS and S sales anywhere else. Although they're still far too frequent for my taste
Yep other sites do sell large sized photos. Problem is they are all subscription sales for 25-35 cents. It takes 90 of those sales to equal one on IS. And XS sales get over 2 dollars so I could sell 6 XXXL's on SS or one XS on IS to be even.

Oh you exclusives and the subs

. I just got this at DT for instance and it's only a medium sized DL 12 credits (2010) $4.07 medium . It would have to be a P+ XL for me to get as much at IS. Well If you can get over 2$ for S sized DLs, then you, as an exclusive, could match that. And since you like to talk so much about SS, many contributors earn more with ODs over there than with subs (I'm not amongst them unfortunately, but the ratio is moving in that direction), then there are SODs and EL of course. Of course I'm not saying the grass is greener at our side, it's user dependant and yes, there are still to many sub sales on every site. But at least no site pays me as low for subs as IS. Or credit sales for that matter (got a 7c/credit sale and dozens of 10c/credit sales, they're usually XS subs)

travelstock · « **Reply #24 on:** January 05, 2012, 20:40 »

Quote from: wut on January 05, 2012, 19:06

Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 18:12
Quote from: wut on January 05, 2012, 17:52
Quote from: traveler1116 on January 05, 2012, 12:32
As an exclusive the sales from XXXL files are pretty nice, it's like an EL at SS (although probably just as rare). As a nonexclusive I would imagine the benefits are a little less since DT upsize all their images don't they and SS sells any size the same price.

But there are still more then enough agencies that sell large sized photos. But it's true, like you said, those happen rarely at IS, besides I've never seen so many XS and S sales anywhere else. Although they're still far too frequent for my taste
Yep other sites do sell large sized photos. Problem is they are all subscription sales for 25-35 cents. It takes 90 of those sales to equal one on IS. And XS sales get over 2 dollars so I could sell 6 XXXL's on SS or one XS on IS to be even.

Oh you exclusives and the subs . I just got this at DT for instance and it's only a medium sized DL 12 credits (2010) $4.07 medium . It would have to be a P+ XL for me to get as much at IS. Well If you can get over 2$ for S sized DLs, then you, as an exclusive, could match that. And since you like to talk so much about SS, many contributors earn more with ODs over there than with subs (I'm not amongst them unfortunately, but the ratio is moving in that direction), then there are SODs and EL of course. Of course I'm not saying the grass is greener at our side, it's user dependant and yes, there are still to many sub sales on every site. But at least no site pays me as low for subs as IS. Or credit sales for that matter (got a 7c/credit sale and dozens of 10c/credit sales, they're usually XS subs)

I think the point that was being made was whether its worth spending the extra, or prioritising a camera that shoots 21MP (ie. XXXL) over one that only does 16MP. If you're exclusive on IS the difference is significant. On SS there is no difference - a buyer won't know if an image was natively shot at a higher resolution or upsized until they download it.

FWIW a $4 download on Dreamstime is a medium level 2 image - as an exclusive, most of my images that have been downloaded more than a handful of times are in the E+ collection, which ends up being more like an $8-12 commission for the photographer. An XXXL E+ image will be about $20-25 in commission, which on DT will get you a maximum of $11.88 at level 5 - there the difference to a medium size ($10) isn't so significant.

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