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dk

« on: December 20, 2010, 10:58 »
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I searched the forum but couldn't find an answer, are we supposed to be credited if our image is used in book covers?

Just found a new book today published in November 2010 with a detail from one of my photos on the cover, but only the designer is credited, no photographer credit. The cover design is a white box and line over my photo with the author name and book title. Should we be credited for this use?

Thanks!


ShadySue

« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 11:02 »
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I searched the forum but couldn't find an answer, are we supposed to be credited if our image is used in book covers?

Just found a new book today published in November 2010 with a detail from one of my photos on the cover, but only the designer is credited, no photographer credit. The cover design is a white box and line over my photo with the author name and book title. Should we be credited for this use?

Thanks!

Depends on the terms of the agency the pic was bought from, but not from iStock, sadly. I have found three book covers, two have my credit and one doesn't. It's not required.

dk

« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 12:15 »
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Can't say i like this. Agencies should at least advice customers that it would be appropriate to give credit for print use.
I recently downloaded an image from photocase and there was a notice that credit should be given to "photographer/agency".

I'm not saying that agencies should go after customers if they don't but at they should advice them what is proper for certain uses and leave it to their own judgment. I have a couple of other books from the same publishing house and they give separate credit to designer/illustrator in one book which has a painting on the cover.

ShadySue

« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 12:22 »
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Can't say i like this.

Maybe not, but these are the terms you presumably signed up to, depending on the agency.
For example, iStock's are here: http://www.istockphoto.com/license.php
Somewhere, I believe it says that for editorial use images must be credited, but on a quick scan of the page, I didn't find that bit.
(A biographical book is not counted as 'editorial use' apparently.)
How many buyers do you imagine even look at the license conditions on that page, far less read them carefully. It's legalese, obfuscatory, and very difficult to unravel. iStock must want it that way: they don't even provide anchors on the page so that you can jump to the bit you want.

dk

« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 13:28 »
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I knew i had a book somewhere that had credit from istock and i just found it:

http://cd.pbsstatic.com/xl/07/1107/9780753821107.jpg

Clearly states in the back cover " cover photograph : (c) GlennBristol/iStockphoto - Design: Sue Michniewicz"

Maybe it's the subscription sites that don't require to credit photographers.

« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 13:34 »
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I knew i had a book somewhere that had credit from istock and i just found it:

http://cd.pbsstatic.com/xl/07/1107/9780753821107.jpg

Clearly states in the back cover " cover photograph : (c) GlennBristol/iStockphoto - Design: Sue Michniewicz"

Maybe it's the subscription sites that don't require to credit photographers.


There is no requirement at IS to credit people for book covers.

ShadySue

« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 13:35 »
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I knew i had a book somewhere that had credit from istock and i just found it:

http://cd.pbsstatic.com/xl/07/1107/9780753821107.jpg

Clearly states in the back cover " cover photograph : (c) GlennBristol/iStockphoto - Design: Sue Michniewicz"

Maybe it's the subscription sites that don't require to credit photographers.

Watch my lips: iStock doesn't require credits except for editorial.
That doesn't mean they can't give credits either because they want to or (maybe: me speculating again) if they have a reciprocal arrangement with iStock. E.g. in the past I've noticed websites, magazines and even two books which credited iStock and offered a discount if you signed up to buy images. That would need to be an official arrangement.
Credits are not forbidden.

I cannot speak about other agencies.

I'm not required to wear shoes when I go out in the snow. I can if I want to. :-)

dk

« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 13:46 »
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Thanks guys for the quick response!

I understand it's not required in many agencies i was just saying that it would be nice if they urged the customers to do so. In the photocase example before or after the download there was a clear notice what the credit should be for print. Not obliging anyone just reminding of proper use.

« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 16:10 »
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If the designer only is credited, does it imply he has the copyright of the material he used? He can not claim that, so the right thing would have been crediting the photographer(s).

I have found some images of mine in bookcovers, in some I was able to find a credit, but in others I only found the cover itself online.

« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 16:51 »
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If the designer only is credited, does it imply he has the copyright of the material he used?

No, it implies he was the designer.

ShadySue

« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 18:04 »
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If the designer only is credited, does it imply he has the copyright of the material he used? He can not claim that, so the right thing would have been crediting the photographer(s).

I have found some images of mine in bookcovers, in some I was able to find a credit, but in others I only found the cover itself online.
Madelaide and dk: I do have sympathy with your pov. It really should be that the 'tog gets a mention at least for a front cover. I've got one with only the designer's name credited (found via Designer's Spotlight), and like dk, was quite miffed.
And i've just spend a merry half hour looking for credits via Google. Found one of mine on the home page of the Scottish Parliament, a couple of others I could PrintScreen and several acknowledged as being inside books where I couldn't get into the appropriate page.
Hey, FWIW, I also think that it should cost more to buy an image for a front cover. But that's RM.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2010, 18:06 by ShadySue »

lisafx

« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 18:24 »
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And i've just spend a merry half hour looking for credits via Google.


A bit OT, but setting up a Google Alert on your name will save you a lot of time searching.  :)
http://www.google.com/alerts

jbarber873

« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 10:56 »
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And i've just spend a merry half hour looking for credits via Google.


A bit OT, but setting up a Google Alert on your name will save you a lot of time searching.  :)
http://www.google.com/alerts


  Cool! and scary,  all at the same time. No more "under the radar" i guess. As for photo credits, the only one I care about is the one that says" pay to the order of..."


 

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