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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Photography Discussion => Topic started by: helix7 on March 23, 2011, 23:39
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So apparently Jesh de Rox is offering one-day 1-on-1 photography workshops at a discounted rate of $16,500. Previously he was charging $20,000. Do a twitter search for #onedaywithjeshinstead to see the jokes people are making about it.
On a more serious note, Zack Arias is catching some heat for calling this B.S. Some folks are defending Jesh, saying that he has a right to charge whatever he wants to charge and it's his business. I happen to agree with Zack.
There's "expensive" and then there's "you can't possibly justify the value in this" and Jesh's workshops fall into the latter category. Those defending him are using car analogies, saying that a Bugatti Veyron may seem crazy expensive to some people, but to others it's a good value. I think it's a poor analogy because you can justify the value of an expensive car by citing the manufacturing costs, hand-made quality, parts costs, craftsmanship, etc. And while you could similarly justify the cost of a workshop in a similar way (the photog's experience, teaching expertise, value of the information, etc) I don't think anyone could possibly work up a one-day sum of $16k or more and say that it's a good value. There's no way anyone can put $16k of value into a 1-day session, at least not when it comes to teaching photography.
I can more easily understand a photographer charging $16k for a day of shooting. But for a workshop, you can't tell me I'd get $16k worth of knowledge, information, and improved skill from 1 day with Jesh or anyone else. It's not possible.
Zack says there's no photographer dead or alive worth $16k per day for a workshop. I'd agree.
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I was going to say something crude, but I can't blame anybody if they can actually get that amount. What was it P.T. Barnum said? ;D
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I have been in various forum with Jesh for a number of years. One thing has been consistent...no, two things have been consistent with him the entire time..#1...he is a trippy dude and every time I read his posts I feel like I am stoned. #2...he is true to himself and doesn't seem to give a flying f what others think about him.
I wouldn't pay money to hang out with him but I admire his work.
Zack on the other hand...pot or kettle? I think he is a bad-ass photographer and I did pay money for his DVD set. It's a little contradictory to mock Jesh for this scheme..errr, marketing plan considering he has made many, many thousands of dollars of photogs around the country with his one light workshop. Worth it? Probably. If he could get 20K for it would he? I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
Mat
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wow, I got a good deal with Bobby Deal ;D
no-one is forced to pay it, I dont even know who he is but the first thought is 'a fool and his cash are soon parted'
edit: went and had a look at his site, beyond the weird start, I liked his stuff, but not enough to pay that much :)
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I'd never heard of him but had a look at his website, the first thing that struck me is that people could save themselves a lot of money and just buy a $1 app for their iPhone to achieve the same look, but that's just me I hate all that 'hipstamatic' snap shot style.
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I have to ask him if he would like to be photographer at my wedding. :)
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I'd never heard of him but had a look at his website, the first thing that struck me is that people could save themselves a lot of money and just buy a $1 app for their iPhone to achieve the same look, but that's just me I hate all that 'hipstamatic' snap shot style.
Yeah, I'm like... "who?".
Ha! Check out twitter: http://twitter.com/search?q=#onedaywithjeshinstead (http://twitter.com/search?q=#onedaywithjeshinstead)
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Sean: you link doesn't work.
Regarding this 16.5K a day guy. he can ask how much as he sees fit, there is a sucker born every minute and and add to the fact that for some people that sum of money is spended with a blink of an eye.
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Really? Well, just do a twitter search: #onedaywithjeshinstead
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I'd never heard of him but had a look at his website, the first thing that struck me is that people could save themselves a lot of money and just buy a $1 app for their iPhone to achieve the same look, but that's just me I hate all that 'hipstamatic' snap shot style.
Yeah, I'm like... "who?".
Ha! Check out twitter: [url]http://twitter.com/search?q=#onedaywithjeshinstead[/url] ([url]http://twitter.com/search?q=#onedaywithjeshinstead[/url])
Hahaha, awesome! Chuck Norris is nothing compared to this guy.
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I was going to pay off my car but I think I'll do #onedaywithjeshinstead .
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Nigerian scammers got nothing on #onedaywithjeshinstead
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This is all part of the "bad is good" aesthetic that took over in the 90's, when everyone was shooting yellow and blue lights through coke bottles and cross processing color negative and ektachrome. It has a value if it makes you look at it. That was why it worked back then- it stood out from the crowd. In the microstock world, it probably wouldn't work, because the number of people who buy such images is not large enough to justify the low prices, but it's perfect for the high end fashion and advertising world, where an ad assignment could easily cover the costs. I say good for him if he can make it work. There's a whole world of people who make a living off of selling something to photographers that they are convinced will make them rich. Anybody remember the "hosemaster" ?
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Never 'eard ovvim.
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When I first started using Photoshop I was told not to overdo the filters and colour adjustments. Maybe that was bad advice, he is doing well out of it!
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When I first started using Photoshop I was told not to overdo the filters and colour adjustments.
That's just for iStock!
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I've never heard of the guy or seen his stuff but I don't blame him for testing what the market will bear. It's probably good publicity anyway (we're all talking about him) and is likely to add to his reputation and therefore worth.
In the greater scheme of things $16K per day is not that much for the few individuals who are in demand. The golfer Greg Norman, even past his heyday, used to charge $100K per day + expenses for personal appearances, the target market being corporate golf days, and that was a good few years ago. I doubt if Tiger Woods would have got out of bed for much less than $1M at his peak. These guys have their diaries planned out for 2-4 years in advance.
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I never heard of him, but he can charge whatever he likes if someone's going to pay.
Some tycoons are earning that amount every fraction of a second, should they ever decide to "waste" part of their money on a photographic lesson instead of buying women, voters, politicians, it's probably the best use they could make of their money for themselves and humanity.
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It's hard to discuss anything over a dollar here.
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How much does Ken Rockwell charge then :D
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He can charge whatever he likes.
The ones to worry about are those prepared to pay it.
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I have been in various forum with Jesh for a number of years. One thing has been consistent...no, two things have been consistent with him the entire time..#1...he is a trippy dude and every time I read his posts I feel like I am stoned. #2...he is true to himself and doesn't seem to give a flying f what others think about him...
That's what makes me wonder if this is almost more of a brilliant marketing/promo scheme. Like he doesn't really expect to get people to buy into these workshops, but the idea that he charges so much (or is worth so much) just adds to the air of mystique about him. He's definitely a trippy dude. His website and general online persona add to that. At the very least he has everyone talking about him today, and you can't buy that sort of publicity.
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I have a workshop one day $200,000 any takers? If it works for Jesh it might work for me.
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I have a workshop one day $200,000 any takers? If it works for Jesh it might work for me.
Sign me up. I'll pay you with my Crestock earnings! ;D
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It's hard to discuss anything over a dollar here.
LOL! :D
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There are a number of photographers that are "celebrities" in the wedding world. He is one of them. They aren't mainstream photographer celebrities but they do very well. Many people try to jump into the world of wedding photographers without really having a clue what it's about. These guys (Yervant, Huy, Jesh and many others) used to be good mentors. Now there are so many that they realized they can make money off of their experience. Not a bad idea really. 16.5K? Funny.
Mat
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I have been in various forum with Jesh for a number of years. One thing has been consistent...no, two things have been consistent with him the entire time..#1...he is a trippy dude and every time I read his posts I feel like I am stoned. #2...he is true to himself and doesn't seem to give a flying f what others think about him...
That's what makes me wonder if this is almost more of a brilliant marketing/promo scheme. Like he doesn't really expect to get people to buy into these workshops, but the idea that he charges so much (or is worth so much) just adds to the air of mystique about him. He's definitely a trippy dude. His website and general online persona add to that. At the very least he has everyone talking about him today, and you can't buy that sort of publicity.
yep bit like selling a million dollar photo the other week, you must be super-mega-awesome if you charge that much
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I've been listening to a Jesh livestream this morning. I get the feeling he really believes his $16k session is worth the money. I'm still not convinced, but if he believes in it and people want to buy it and they believe they're getting a good value, good for them I guess.
He's an interesting dude. Super emo, I think his ideas about the power of photography to save marriages and cut the divorce rate are a little out there. But it seems that some people do believe in what he teaches.
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Well, if he can get someone pay him 16k for one day of his work, instead of say 4 people paying him 5k each for 4 days of his work, then good for him!
I believe most people who buy a Ferrari only want to show off they are rich enough to have a Ferrari, it's a matter of status above all, although certainly these famous brands do have an intrinsic quality. Maybe this is the case too? Although I must confess I had never heard of him.
And yes, an expensive car is never a justifiable purchase for me. I lack the Y chromosome. ;D
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Good post Gostwyck,
I agree with you completely on your perspective of this conversation. I am also surprised people keep spending their time or money which to me are the same thing , by putting him down. I am not going to say his prices are wrong that is his choice. If he get's work then more power to him. The product he offers is only going to survive if people that spend that kind of money feel they got the result they were hoping for. A very good analogy about the Pro golfers. Intellectual property is becoming just about all America is producing these days.
Best,
Jonathan
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One on one makes it sound like it is what the name suggests but it's more than that according to his blog.
"regarding the One on One business mastery sessions, on sale for $16,500, all application spaces are presently filled, and we will begin the process of interviewing and assessing interested studios. if spaces remain open after the present applications are reviewed, i'll make another announcement.
it seems that the $16,500 price offer was misunderstood by some to include only a one day meeting, while in actuality, the product is much more extensive. "
http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/ (http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/)
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Depends on what his workshop is about .. is it about his shooting style (pass) .. or is it about successfully building, branding & marketing a wedding business .. if so you're investment could be justified in a single weekend unless you're just a newb playing pro. So in that respect I don't see anything wrong with a $16K workshop ... On the other hand the workshop itself is more or less an branding strategy in itself. What percentage of you had never heard of him before ??? because you sure as s^%t have now haven't you .. learn from that.
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One on one makes it sound like it is what the name suggests but it's more than that according to his blog.
"regarding the One on One business mastery sessions, on sale for $16,500, all application spaces are presently filled, and we will begin the process of interviewing and assessing interested studios. if spaces remain open after the present applications are reviewed, i'll make another announcement.
it seems that the $16,500 price offer was misunderstood by some to include only a one day meeting, while in actuality, the product is much more extensive. "
[url]http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/[/url] ([url]http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/[/url])
translation: I had a spare day next month, and some sucker bit at the $17k price. Holy carp! Now I'm starting a waiting list...
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I never heard of him before but now I have and he'd getting a lot of publicity by doing this.
It's a good marketing trick - it looks like these days it's not enough to be just good at what you do, you have to do something outrageous to attract attention to yourself - Charlie Sheen phenomenon...
It might be that there are way too many people on this planet and it's getting so hard to get noticed.
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For $250 I tell anyone in a single minute how to avoid creating overprocessed junk.
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It seems the 'one day' was a misunderstanding:
http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/ (http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/)