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tab62

« on: December 28, 2012, 11:21 »
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Poncke

« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 11:43 »
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Whats your point?

ShadySue

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 11:50 »
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I'm sure there are plenty of smart shooters who make more than this per hour at MS.

« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 11:50 »
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you can say more than some but for sure not the ones doing it full time and working hard, this is a dumb (no offense) discussion because you can't compare one thing to another, one thing is making pizzas other is shooting for stock, pretty much the only thing you can compare is the hour rate but even that is far from accurate because it changes for every contributor and a ton other variables

its not accurate to say I have made perhaps 100$ a hour this month because that's not my income per hour, again you can't compare jobs that way, even worst on a supposed passive income job

« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 12:18 »
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It does take time, hard work and a decent-sized portfolio to build a reliable and worthwhile income in microstock. For most people (including me), economically speaking, they probably would be better off working for minimum wage for at least the first couple of years. That's the 'apprenticeship' you have to accept to gain the benefits. Other than ownership of ridiculous talent (see Yuri, SJL, etc) there are no short-cuts. I know I put in hundreds, if not thousands, of hours into microstock before I saw a decent return but I enjoyed it so it wasn't really 'work'. Looking back, it was the best thing I ever did.

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 12:36 »
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Minimum wages are "per hour": what does that mean in the microstock situation?
Although nobody here expects this to be a perfect passive income, old pictures are still selling after many years (and more than I would have expected) so... it's not even possible to calculate an hourly wage.

lisafx

« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 12:44 »
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I remember thinking I could make more flipping burgers than doing microstock.  And I remember how nice it was when that changed :)

« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 12:59 »
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When I started with iStock the royalties were 10, 20 and 30 cents (S, M, L) and my husband told me two things - that I'd never reach a $100 payout with those prices and that he could make more money playing Chess games at a local mall than I ever would selling stock.

Turned out he was wrong on both counts :)

Given the value of most of our images lasts a while, you can't really compare time spent building a portfolio to an hourly wage as has been noted above.

tab62

« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 13:08 »
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I wanted to start this string to show how I felt at the beginning of my hobby/business. I was told at making .25 cents a pop that I would never see a payout thus when I saw the min wage article it hit home. Now going on my 2nd full year I feel I am finally beating the the min wage  ;) with some decent payouts as of late...


« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 13:49 »
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Certainly the minimum wage for a microstock photographer starting out would be pretty low. One nice thing though is that you can take a day or 2 or more off whenever you feel like - try that with most minimum wage jobs and you will be unemployed and making nothing.

I have been pleasantly surprised how well sales of old images have held up, and unpleasantly surprised how much the sites have cut percentages and how newer image sales are not near the level they were a number of years ago.

« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 14:36 »
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many of us also 'work' while traveling, and get to deduct expenses no minimum wage worker would be able to do

« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 14:55 »
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hey - dont forget the cash tips that pizza delivery guys get and dont claim...
whens the last time you were 'tipped' from ms agency, aside from the 'tip off' that your rates are going down...

« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2012, 16:10 »
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hey - dont forget the cash tips that pizza delivery guys get and dont claim...
whens the last time you were 'tipped' from ms agency, aside from the 'tip off' that your rates are going down...

why aren't we all delivering pizzas? ;D

traveler1116

« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2012, 16:13 »
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hey - dont forget the cash tips that pizza delivery guys get and dont claim...
whens the last time you were 'tipped' from ms agency, aside from the 'tip off' that your rates are going down...

why aren't we all delivering pizzas? ;D
Funny I used to do that.  At least no one robs you at gunpoint doing stock (insert clever istock comment here).

« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2012, 10:38 »
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The pictures I took in my first month doing microstock many years ago have now brought in more money than I earned that month doing my day job.

« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2012, 11:02 »
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One pizza with bottarga and west Istrian olive oil, please.
(BTW, my tips are high)
 :)
« Last Edit: December 29, 2012, 11:15 by enstoker »

RacePhoto

« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2012, 20:10 »
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I'm sure there are plenty of smart shooters who make more than this per hour at MS.

The real answer is this.

Independent artists only make as much as they work for and build an individual income collection. BUT...

People who get $9.19 minimum wage, only get paid when they are at work.

Microstock makes sales while we are sleeping, out on vacation or out to lunch.  8)

Dollars an hour is very short sited compared to investing effort and time for a longer term return.

Notes: The federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. Tipped workers, must be paid a minimum of $2.13 per hour, as long as the hourly wage plus tipped income result in a minimum of $7.25 per hour. As a former bar tender, the norm is $7 an hour at a really nice place, less at others. They use this to pay less and tips make up the difference. (which must also be declared to the IRS and where I worked we had to log every tip and then got it back at the end of the week, after they reported it to the IRS.)

« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2012, 20:23 »
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Just for info and afterthought:

Denmark:
Pr. 1 marts 2009 (Yearly regulation) 103,15 kr. pr. hour = 18,23$

gillian vann

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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2012, 20:26 »
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I'm sure there are plenty of smart shooters who make more than this per hour at MS.

The real answer is this.

Independent artists only make as much as they work for and build an individual income collection. BUT...

People who get $9.19 minimum wage, only get paid when they are at work.

Microstock makes sales while we are sleeping, out on vacation or out to lunch.  8)



yep, :) even on xmas day we can be enjoying family life and eating & drinking ourselves silly and earning money. in my case only about $15 over the xmas weekend, but if I extrapolate that into a decent port size (x10 of my current) i'd be happy enough with that kind of residual.

« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2012, 20:56 »
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in australia it is about us$17/hour

I estimate that I have earned well over double that after expenses (over triple before expenses that include holidays, gear I wanted anyway etc). Not too bad when it includes the time I spent that was very horribly inefficient, the 'on the job' training, experimentation etc etc.

Of course it is skewed by off periods such as only putting in about 50 hours for whole of 2012. This year I only earn't 80% of my previous  income (but this has had the effect of increasing the hourly wage for the work I had already done :)).
Unfortunately not many other jobs will continuing paying me 80% of my income when I don't feel like working for a year or more :)

lisafx

« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2012, 11:52 »
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Am I understanding correctly?  Are you guys saying that pizza workers make $18.23/hour in Denmark and $17/hour in Australia?? 

Here they make minimum wage, which is $7.25/hour.  Something is wrong with the US if we are paying this much behind the rest of the developed world. 

Maybe I misunderstood?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2012, 11:55 »
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Am I understanding correctly?  Are you guys saying that pizza workers make $18.23/hour in Denmark and $17/hour in Australia?? 

Here they make minimum wage, which is $7.25/hour.  Something is wrong with the US if we are paying this much behind the rest of the developed world. 

Maybe I misunderstood?

AIUI, Denmark is a very expensive country to live in, compared to the UK, which is much more expensive for most things than the US. Also tipping isn't as rife in Oz as it is in the US and is becoming in the UK.

lisafx

« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2012, 12:03 »
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Am I understanding correctly?  Are you guys saying that pizza workers make $18.23/hour in Denmark and $17/hour in Australia?? 

Here they make minimum wage, which is $7.25/hour.  Something is wrong with the US if we are paying this much behind the rest of the developed world. 

Maybe I misunderstood?

AIUI, Denmark is a very expensive country to live in, compared to the UK, which is much more expensive for most things than the US. Also tipping isn't as rife in Oz as it is in the US and is becoming in the UK.

Fair enough.  But pizza store workers don't typically get tipped here, except for the delivery drivers, and servers, if it is a sit-down restaurant.  The people who work at, say, Dominos or Papa Johns aren't tipped unless they are the delivery person. 

« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2012, 12:28 »
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Am I understanding correctly?  Are you guys saying that pizza workers make $18.23/hour in Denmark and $17/hour in Australia?? 

Here they make minimum wage, which is $7.25/hour.  Something is wrong with the US if we are paying this much behind the rest of the developed world. 

Maybe I misunderstood?

No you didnt.
A loaf of bread costs 5 dollars here.
A small house out in the contry costs 200.000 dollars.
And why is that?
Because general expenses are high, taxes are high, and government spends are high. Free education (universities), free healthcare, it all costs.
But pays back.
When all is said and done it boils down to security and trust.
And here we have that.


ShadySue

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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2012, 12:37 »
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Am I understanding correctly?  Are you guys saying that pizza workers make $18.23/hour in Denmark and $17/hour in Australia?? 

Here they make minimum wage, which is $7.25/hour.  Something is wrong with the US if we are paying this much behind the rest of the developed world. 

Maybe I misunderstood?

AIUI, Denmark is a very expensive country to live in, compared to the UK, which is much more expensive for most things than the US. Also tipping isn't as rife in Oz as it is in the US and is becoming in the UK.

Fair enough.  But pizza store workers don't typically get tipped here, except for the delivery drivers, and servers, if it is a sit-down restaurant.  The people who work at, say, Dominos or Papa Johns aren't tipped unless they are the delivery person.

True enough.
Anyway for comparison, minimum wage in the UK for over-21s is 6.19 ($10) per hour, except in the rare case that someone over 21 is an apprentice in their first year, when it's 2.65 per hour.


 

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