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Title: Rejected
Post by: HappyBunny on June 01, 2016, 07:21
Hello, Shutterstock rejected this image for possible Intellectual property law.....
I read that cars fall under that but not boats. Can I upload it again but this time as editorial or does the same law apply? I have another image with sailing boats but no houses. Can that be uploaded or also not?
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: HappyBunny on June 01, 2016, 07:22
I resized it so that it fits here. It doesn't look like that.  :)
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: noodle on June 01, 2016, 08:13
I was going to say there is some serious banding going on :)

It got rejected because if there are names / numbers on boats, motors,etc it needs property release
You can submit as editorial
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: HappyBunny on June 01, 2016, 08:19
Thank you. I just checked. One boat has a name written on it. To the left where they lift boats in it says Penarth Quay Marina but there is also a sign with Volvo written on it. Shall I paint over it and submit it as commercial again or is it better to submit as it is as editorial? Why didn't they change the category? DT did that once for me. They didn't reject image but put it under editorial. SS wrote Image/Metadata intellectual.....what is it I shouldn't write in metadata?
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2016, 10:48
what is it I shouldn't write in metadata?

Brands or names.
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: HappyBunny on June 01, 2016, 10:52
I had not written the name of the boat. I only had written yacht, harbor, penarth, marina, residential, houses. Fotolia once told me to paint over the number plates of cars. Should I just paint over Penarth Quay Marina and the boat name or upload as editorial or do both? One editorial one for commercial use?
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: jodijacobson on June 01, 2016, 14:41
every name, every number, every address, every logo, every symbol has to come off. If you miss one the image will be rejected. There should be a resubmit on the image. If not look at the image at 200% and see what you missed, take it out, then resubmit.
www,istockphoto.com/jodijacobson
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: HappyBunny on June 01, 2016, 14:49
Does the name has to come off Penarth Quay Marina? That's like a town name. What about the restaurant name? Strange, they accepted an image of the Esplanade which has only 4 very identifiable unique houses in the photo.
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: increasingdifficulty on June 01, 2016, 15:26
They aren't 100% consistent, but restaurant names definitely need to disappear.

The word STOP on a stop sign is OK, but as soon as there is anything private you need to blur it.

This list is good to review if you ever submit pictures of more famous buildings:

http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-photo-restrictions/ (http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-photo-restrictions/)

You can't even submit pictures from national parks in Brazil! Now THAT is something...
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: Pauws99 on June 01, 2016, 15:35
Does the name has to come off Penarth Quay Marina? That's like a town name. What about the restaurant name? Strange, they accepted an image of the Esplanade which has only 4 very identifiable unique houses in the photo.

If its a private marina probably to be honest sites are very inconsistent with regard to property releases in the end they make their own rules. The actual legal position is very unclear in the UK for example I believe you can legally sell a picture of ANYTHING if you took it from a public place but try persuading an agency of that.
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: ShadySue on June 02, 2016, 09:09
The actual legal position is very unclear in the UK for example I believe you can legally sell a picture of ANYTHING if you took it from a public place but try persuading an agency of that.
You can sell images made when you were standing on public ground as editorial only,  mitigated by 'reasonable expectation of privacy', which effectively prevents you from standing on a public Street and taking photos through someone's house window.
Still, it's not always obvious when a street is public  Apparently a lot of streets in central London are privately owned, and I recently discovered that all the streets etc in a particularly well-photographed area of Glasgow are privately owned.

Way back in the day I had a photo of a fishing harbour rejected on iStock, apparently because I hadn't removed the name of the town. The idea that a town name could be copyright was bizarre to me, and that town had existed under that name for centuries, but allegedly that could be the case in the Land of the Free. ::)
I guess we can't blame the agencies  for building a fence around the Law.
Sometimes you have to wonder whether with certain files you're gaining anything by spending a lot of time removing possibly-contentious material from a file whose uses are most likely to be editorial.
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: substancep on June 02, 2016, 09:38
Names on boats, boat designs, cars, buildings, flags with logos are all protected by copyright. And as others have mentioned, the place too may require a release. Please check this list for more information. As you can see, pretty much everything can be copyrighted, especially if you can recognize its design.

http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-photo-restrictions/ (http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-photo-restrictions/)
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: Pauws99 on June 02, 2016, 09:43
Most if not all of Canary Wharf is privately owned and at one time security were extremely strict about any photos being taken. Also certain areas are protected by anti terrorism laws as I discovered when I was security checked near the MoD in Whitehall. ??? While what you say is true about what agencies will sell newspapers and "artists" sell all manner of intrusive images I'm no lawyer but not regarding what agencies sell I'm really not sure what the actual LEGAL position is though its really only of academic interest personally. Just because something is copyrighted I'm not sure it means you cant sell a picture that includes it.
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: dirkr on June 03, 2016, 03:38
They aren't 100% consistent, but restaurant names definitely need to disappear.

The word STOP on a stop sign is OK, but as soon as there is anything private you need to blur it.

This list is good to review if you ever submit pictures of more famous buildings:

[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-photo-restrictions/[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/contributor-resources/legal/stock-photo-restrictions/[/url])

You can't even submit pictures from national parks in Brazil! Now THAT is something...


They don't seem to care too much about their own restrictions...
Looking at the latest blog entry (http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/pictures-brazil-photographic-guide-2016-olympic-games), they feature an image of the Iguazu Falls - which are explicitely on the list of restricted places...
Or maybe all of the 3500 images that come up when searching for "Iguazu" have a PR...
Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: HappyBunny on June 03, 2016, 04:40
No, not private harbor. It got rejected again for soft focus. However, it was accepted somewhere else. All photos taken in golden hour with lots of light seem to have a problem. But t might be that they were taken before I switched the Steady On off. Are photos like that selling at all or is it just a waste of time?

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Title: Re: Rejected
Post by: HappyBunny on June 03, 2016, 04:48
Thank you for the link to the list. Meersburg castle is not on it but was rejected for Intellectual property law. I thought they want photos of street signs and a ll sort of signs. I have a photo of a British post office box in a stone wall. Is that also  copyright? I did see a photo of one on a microstock website. Now I am not sure if I should upload it.