you see Yingyang0...  this is exactly what I was talking about.  This women has more runs on the board than just about all the photographers here combined.  She isn't hiding behind any silly names or trying to deceive anyone.  She called a spade a spade..  good on her!  And instead of taking it in the manner in which it was intended, every idiot here decides to bash her.   Three things..  one, a lot of you made assumptions.. and we all know what happens when you assume!  Two, where . are your manners? Didn't your mother tell you if you didn't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!  and three.. the most obvious of all.. are you guys serious or not?  This is a business.  You are a business.  You are a brand...a representative of that brand and if this is the way you act in public.. you really do need some more education. 

I really think a lot of people need to have a serious look at yourselves.. how you represent yourselves here and what YOU say about your brand.

In saying all this, I doubt I'll go to the site...but that's my gig, not yours.

Education is a great thing and all the photographers I know work hard all their lives in learning not just their craft, but life and business.   It's the lesson I've learned from representing hundreds of photographers worldwide for the last 25 yrs. 

Balance is also a great thing.  Close you computers, run outside ...there is a world out there.

Let the bashing of me begin.

Cheers,  JC

And instead of taking it in the manner in which it was intended, every idiot here decides to bash her..........

Let the bashing of me begin.

Cheers,  JC

Not every idiot here bashed her, I didn't and neither did the person who I quoted, of course some idiots can't read.

 

Paris Hilton said once, keep on hating me, you are making me famous!

Thanks JC for your professional response, I appreciate that you spoke up. I am not hiding, I told you my name and gave you my credentials and BTW I am a woman as you can see in my avatar which is a picture of me. Unless I mention some names some of you guys will keep bashing me as obviously some don't know how to do research. Google if you are uncertain. First rule in business, do your homework, know - don't assume. Where did I say quick-rich scheme? I said I teach photographers about the business behind photography. The business rules are the same for stock, microstock, assignment and any other type of photography. There really is a great need for education which is why I do what I do now.

For those who do not know the names I mentioned,  I am fully aware that Helmut Newton passed away in an heart attack driving out of the Chateau Marmont in Los Angeles. George Hurrell was one of the first photographers to invent glamour photography in Hollywood. Barry Lategan was the first fashion photographer for Vogue magazine in Paris. Andrew MacPherson is a famous celebrity and portrait photographer who started in London and then Paris and if you don't know who Matthew Rolston is...you must not have held a magazine in your hand or watched a music video in the last 25 years.

I am not understanding the benefit of the bashing or the mob mentality I see in some of the responses. This is everything photography should not be about. I thought you guys are here in a forum to help each other out? This forum is a general photography forum. I feel I fit just fine in here.

What a welcome to a new member. In any case, for those other over 400 who have read the string and the many of you who keep looking at my stuff, I have posted yesterday and today a series of events, contests and a great portfolio review opportunity on the blog. Decide for yourself if there is value in my services. http://photosecrets.wordpress.com

As for the 4 week course, it kicks off tonight. I received over 200 questions from photographers who wanted me to ask questions to industry professionals. The photo art director from Ogilvy is the first one tonight. After all the drama here, imagine you had the opportunity to ask about what you need to do to be noticed, your website, promo, appearance by the creatives (and don't say you don't care, they buy your images) and get an answer? What would that be worth for you? That is how you want to look at opportunities out there. What is it worth, what does it add to your business?  Or how about being able to speak to Chris Bains the Photography Director from Barnes & Noble. Do you not want to know what the state of the publishing industry is or how to get your coffee table book or fine art book published? Hear from photographer Andrew Eccles (let me save you the goggle) http://andreweccles.com how to get to where he is?

My course is $197 for 4.5 hours, bringing it down to $50 per call, less than $1 a minute. Hardly something I would for one moment feel bad about. One idea can get you a return on investment many times over, which is how these courses are designed.

Enough said, the course is closed anyway but for the future - maybe there is a thought or two here that can benefit how you need to look at your business. That is of course if actually want to earn a good living in photography.

Quote from: sjlocke on April 14, 2009, 12:31

Sorry, I don't see how were are supposed to know

BTW, were does need an apostrophe and get rid of the are.

 

Photosecrets - as you can see you found a tough crowd here. Remember that there are hundreds who read and do not post, so I have no doubt that you have achieved your goal of picking up some customers here. Admirably, your responses to the mean-spirited bashing have been respectful and professional, when you could have easily retaliated with similar tone. I wish you well!

My course is $197 for 4.5 hours, bringing it down to $50 per call, less than $1 a minute. Hardly something I would for one moment feel bad about. One idea can get you a return on investment many times over, which is how these courses are designed.

Enough said, the course is closed anyway but for the future - maybe there is a thought or two here that can benefit how you need to look at your business. That is of course if actually want to earn a good living in photography.

"That is of course if actually want to earn a good living in photography." ? ? ? So, you assume that none of us earn a good living in photography?  Gosh.

BTW, you list the price at $595, not $197.  Good for you for selling it out though.  I guess your website does work.  My bad.

Investment is valued at $1195 and offered for a low investment of $197 IF participant agrees to give a testimonial after course (information to follow during course). Regular pricing otherwise $595. This is an intensive and only available to 20 participants to ensure that everyone can ask questions and get what they need out of the course.

 

... I thought you guys are here in a forum to help each other out? This forum is a general photography forum. I feel I fit just fine in here.

Yes we help each other out __ but we don't charge for it. Perhaps you could do the same?

Quote from: gostwyck on April 15, 2009, 05:39

Yes we help each other out __ but we don't charge for it.

This is of course true, but you have to weed through a minefield of derogatory comments and information from sources that lack experience. Too often you get what you pay for.

Weeell, i suppose you sort of expect that in a bar, or even a pub where the commoners meet to drink and shoot the bull 
i remember in my younger days (70s) in paddington UK where we had to throw some skinheads out of the mitre (our local) every once in a while. it was quite a scene and quite fun kicking ass (real ones )   

this forum's no different; only the Guinness and ale don't taste too good here ... "leaf's ale" is a bit flat   

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Quote from: cdwheatley on April 14, 2009, 12:34

The Shutterstock Forum would be a better place to start a thread "shameless self promotion" Serious.

How very true.

There are some people there you can team up with for sure. Search for "workshop" on forums.

Ahh those people...sometimes they post their stuff here - about 123RF is the most recent.   We are so lucky to be graced with his presence once in a while so that hey can let us know that he's still around, even though no one cares. 

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Quote from: Zeus on April 15, 2009, 09:52

Quote from: gostwyck on April 15, 2009, 05:39

Yes we help each other out __ but we don't charge for it.

This is of course true, but you have to weed through a minefield of derogatory comments and information from sources that lack experience. Too often you get what you pay for.

Weeell, i suppose you sort of expect that in a bar, or even a pub where the commoners meet to drink and shoot the bull 
i remember in my younger days (70s) in paddington UK where we had to throw some skinheads out of the mitre (our local) every once in a while. it was quite a scene and quite fun kicking ass (real ones )   

this forum's no different; only the Guinness and ale don't taste too good here ... "leaf's ale" is a bit flat   

It's very much exactly as you say and that is what makes it fun here. But I don't think I would rely on the bar scene as my only source of an education. At some point its nice to get mentored by a truly knowledgeable source and many times it costs money to acquire that knowledge. No one hangs around forums learning how to become a doctor then going out and finding someone to practice on. Making mistakes then coming back again for more info because they didn't quite understand something the first time around. It helps to get the information straight in the beginning.  Why not get out and get a reputation quickly  that will carry you through the rest of your career?

However as opposed to becoming a doctor (I guess you meant a physician), the beauty about microstock is that you can make all the mistakes you want and learn from them. Good legit sellable images will never be refused by most microstock agencies (except Crestock) even if you had tons of rejections before (but I think there are some reasonable limits imposed by some agencies).

Many people here, like myself, are self-learners and are making a good revenue and would never think twice paying for information that can be found for free all over the internet. Mostly, it is just a matter of knowing how to find the information and knowing how to filter out bad information from good information.  Ad talent and a business mind to that mix and you got it made. To the extreme on that scale you got Yuri and somewhere in the bottom you got me. Right now I am making over $1600.00US per month as a part time business/hobby in photography for which I knew nothing about 4 years ago. The world is full of self-learners that are way ahead from the followers. I guess no names need to be mentioned here. Denis