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Justanotherphotographer

« on: March 07, 2023, 08:08 »
+7
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/11kae4y/a_twitter_account_that_only_steals_content/

Didn't believe it at first, but yes, Elon himself did it:

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1632800416609054723

The account just seems to repost other people's images and videos, they even say they have been DMCA'd and banned multiple times, so they knew exactly what they were doing.

Very bad IMHO


Edit, should have added the photgrapher's name. It is Adrien Mauduit A professional nature cinematographer and astrophotographer

https://no.linkedin.com/in/adrien-mauduit-b513974b?
https://www.nightlightsfilms.com/
« Last Edit: March 07, 2023, 08:38 by Justanotherphotographer »


« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2023, 09:38 »
+5
... and Musk suspended the photographer's account accusing him of blackmail, because he asked to be paid.
And a mob of Musk fan bois are cheering him for that!

 >:(

« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2023, 09:49 »
+4
This is really incredible!!!  >:(

« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2023, 09:56 »
+8
Elon Musk in a nutshell.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2023, 10:23 »
+4
He tweeted again saying he's had enough of people "weaponising DMCAs" or something like that, and he needs to "protect content creators". Like the content creators are the ones stealing the images, not the actual creatives struggling to build up a following.

From his perspective I'm sure it doesn't hurt to be able to sack the staff dealing with DMCAs either.

« Last Edit: March 07, 2023, 10:35 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2023, 10:38 »
+5
He tweeted again saying he's had enough of people "weaponising DMCAs" or something like that, and he needs to "protect content creators". Like the content creators are the ones stealing the images, not the actual creatives struggling to build up a following.

From his perspective I'm sure it doesn't hurt to be able to sack the staff dealing with DMCAs either.

EDIT: I tried to find the tweet but I swear he's actually edited it! My guess is Twitter legal had a quiet word with him

Yes, the original tweet has been deleted by the user. I wonder why... We can only see Musk's reply and the replies to his reply.

In the reddit post linked above, we can see that Musk himself had to deal with copyright infringement. No surprise that he is on the wrong side of the argument here, too.  ::)

https://kotaku.com/elon-musk-doesnt-learn-posts-uncredited-artwork-delet-1835562881

He is even against "crediting" artists (like it matters anyway), let alone paying them....
 
« Last Edit: March 07, 2023, 10:43 by Zero Talent »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2023, 14:07 »
+3
Never been a fan of any sort of Musk, but this will push me further away, if I ever had any thoughts?

"...it would be lame to sue and that the potter should be grateful for the attention."  Elon Reeve Musk

Oh we should work for recognition, not money.  ::) Especially if some high and mighty person such as Musk wants to admire our work.


« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2023, 14:08 »
+1
One of the reasons why I'm very careful about what I post on Twitter (or any other social media) and almost never post images that I have up on SS or AS.

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2023, 15:58 »
0
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2023, 16:16 »
+20
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I do not like to read your words. In the past, it did not help any farmer if his potatoes were praised by the lord of the manor, as long as the lord of the manor earned money from them and not the farmer.
With this attitude and thinking Elon Musk increases his wealth on the back of other people. This is absolutely unacceptable!

It is also not about promoting a portfolio on Twitter. It's about the illegal use of images. Without paying.

I cannot understand how one can approve of a person with such global market power leveraging copyrights. That is illegal!

I also don't know until today why everyone picks on Bill Gates and worships Elon Musk so much. This man is dangerous from my point of view.


Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2023, 16:26 »
+2
...Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.
He didn't retweet the photo, just shut down the photographers account?

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2023, 16:27 »
0
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I do not like to read your words. In the past, it did not help any farmer if his potatoes were praised by the lord of the manor, as long as the lord of the manor earned money from them and not the farmer.
With this attitude and thinking Elon Musk increases his wealth on the back of other people. This is absolutely unacceptable!

It is also not about promoting a portfolio on Twitter. It's about the illegal use of images. Without paying.

I cannot understand how one can approve of a person with such global market power leveraging copyrights. That is illegal!

I also don't know until today why everyone picks on Bill Gates and worships Elon Musk so much. This man is dangerous from my point of view.



You are getting a bit to emotional here and political as well. Totally unnecessary. The only point I'm making here is that if anyone with such a great audience place your art work it's worth thousands of dollars of promotion. Sure he doesn't pay for using your art but lot's of people will because he promoted your work and you will get a lot of attention of paying customers. And yes you can nag about things not being right but I personally would welcome something like this. And I will bet the artist in question will not be so unhappy as well. Even though she complains about not getting paid by Musk himself or being credited. C'mon think twice :)
But then still you can have another opinion. It's a free world still where we live, isn't it?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2023, 16:30 by SVH »

« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2023, 16:34 »
+16
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I am normally a friendly person. The two of us have already had one or two arguments here.
But this is now the biggest nonsense that I have read here from you.
How should a portfolio be pushed into any wise if Musk uses your images?
Published images can be downloaded directly from twitter in acceptable quality.

Agree with Wilm, Musk is dangerous and makes his own laws and rules in his own weird world without reference to reality.

« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2023, 16:43 »
+5
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I do not like to read your words. In the past, it did not help any farmer if his potatoes were praised by the lord of the manor, as long as the lord of the manor earned money from them and not the farmer.
With this attitude and thinking Elon Musk increases his wealth on the back of other people. This is absolutely unacceptable!

It is also not about promoting a portfolio on Twitter. It's about the illegal use of images. Without paying.

I cannot understand how one can approve of a person with such global market power leveraging copyrights. That is illegal!

I also don't know until today why everyone picks on Bill Gates and worships Elon Musk so much. This man is dangerous from my point of view.



You are getting a bit to emotional here and political as well. Totally unnecessary. The only point I'm making here is that if anyone with such a great audience place your art work it's worth thousands of dollars of promotion. Sure he doesn't pay for using your art but lot's of people will because he promoted your work and you will get a lot of attention of paying customers. And yes you can nag about things not being right but I personally would welcome something like this. And I will bet the artist in question will not be so unhappy as well. Even though she complains about not getting paid by Musk himself or being credited. C'mon think twice :)
But then still you can have another opinion. It's a free world still where we live, isn't it?


so you are fine if someone steels from you.  by the way Musk is not the one who stole, he is the one who is encouraging it

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2023, 16:47 »
0
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I am normally a friendly person. The two of us have already had one or two arguments here.
But this is now the biggest nonsense that I have read here from you.
How should a portfolio be pushed into any wise if Musk uses your images?
Published images can be downloaded directly from twitter in acceptable quality.

Agree with Wilm, Musk is dangerous and makes his own laws and rules in his own weird world without reference to reality.
Also you Ralf are getting way to political correct here. Again completely unnecessary. I think it's a German problem and you can't help yourselves I guess.
Obviously you can not agree with what I am saying but I did explicitly mention that it is my opinion on the matter. I did not insult anyone here but actually you are now. As I remember we are still in a world where everyone can make up his own opinion and express it. I guess you want to change that? Maybe you should take it up with Leaf then and set new rules for what you think is right that people may or may not write here. I am not worshipping Musk here. I am only noting that if someone with such a big audience shows your art it can be very lucrative and that me, myself and I, would not be unhappy about it if it would happen to me. Get it?

« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2023, 16:53 »
+4
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I am normally a friendly person. The two of us have already had one or two arguments here.
But this is now the biggest nonsense that I have read here from you.
How should a portfolio be pushed into any wise if Musk uses your images?
Published images can be downloaded directly from twitter in acceptable quality.

Agree with Wilm, Musk is dangerous and makes his own laws and rules in his own weird world without reference to reality.
.... I think it's a German problem and you can't help yourselves I guess.....


Hmm .. and where do you come from, you have already proven your social incompetence several times ... to break it down to your level now.

Bringing nationalities into play here is the lowest drawer.

« Last Edit: March 07, 2023, 17:02 by RalfLiebhold »

« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2023, 16:56 »
+3
Okay, so help me out here.

Suppose someone on Twitter ... Elon Musk or someone else .... posts my photo. How does anyone know who I am or where my portfolio is?


Do they credit me? Do they post a link to my port?

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2023, 17:04 »
0
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I am normally a friendly person. The two of us have already had one or two arguments here.
But this is now the biggest nonsense that I have read here from you.
How should a portfolio be pushed into any wise if Musk uses your images?
Published images can be downloaded directly from twitter in acceptable quality.

Agree with Wilm, Musk is dangerous and makes his own laws and rules in his own weird world without reference to reality.
.... I think it's a German problem and you can't help yourselves I guess.....


Hmm .. and where do you come from, you have already proven your social incompetence several times ... to break it down to your level now.

Bringing nationalities into play here is the lowest drawer.



I am a world citizen Ralf. What are you?

« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2023, 17:07 »
+10
Nobody will check who the creator is. Musk wants to legalize stealing images and content. I found it on the internet, it belongs to everyone.

I hope he gets sued to hell and back. Where are the Getty lawyers? They will deal with him even before breakfast

There was a time I believed Musk was a brilliant guy.

But he is just a whiny  weasel with a tiny  ego

Why would the richest man in the world worship Trump or retweet Putin Disinformation propaganda?

Why would he so visibly and publicly align himself with Kushner, MBS, Murdoch?

It is looking like Musk is intentionally trying to ruin twitter. Banning popular journalists and bringing on haters and trolls.

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2023, 17:09 »
+1
Okay, so help me out here.

Suppose someone on Twitter ... Elon Musk or someone else .... posts my photo. How does anyone know who I am or where my portfolio is?


Do they credit me? Do they post a link to my port?
Customers that would like to use your art and know that they have to respect copyright will find your art and pay for it. Sure some blogger will fetch it from Elon Musk's tweet but who cares? I think both artists mentioned (I was reacting to the latter case) will have seen their income increase multifold by this commotion. But that is a guess because I don't know them personally offcourse.

« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2023, 17:13 »
+5
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I am normally a friendly person. The two of us have already had one or two arguments here.
But this is now the biggest nonsense that I have read here from you.


How should a portfolio be pushed into any wise if Musk uses your images?
Published images can be downloaded directly from twitter in acceptable quality.

Agree with Wilm, Musk is dangerous and makes his own laws and rules in his own weird world without reference to reality.
.... I think it's a German problem and you can't help yourselves I guess.....


Hmm .. and where do you come from, you have already proven your social incompetence several times ... to break it down to your level now.

Bringing nationalities into play here is the lowest drawer.



I am a world citizen Ralf. What are you?

i'm just happy you're not my closest neighbor  ;)

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2023, 17:16 »
0
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I am normally a friendly person. The two of us have already had one or two arguments here.
But this is now the biggest nonsense that I have read here from you.


How should a portfolio be pushed into any wise if Musk uses your images?
Published images can be downloaded directly from twitter in acceptable quality.

Agree with Wilm, Musk is dangerous and makes his own laws and rules in his own weird world without reference to reality.
.... I think it's a German problem and you can't help yourselves I guess.....


Hmm .. and where do you come from, you have already proven your social incompetence several times ... to break it down to your level now.

Bringing nationalities into play here is the lowest drawer.



I am a world citizen Ralf. What are you?

i'm just happy you're not my closest neighbor  ;)
Maybe I am. Do you trust your neighbours? :)

« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2023, 17:42 »
+2
Okay, so help me out here.

Suppose someone on Twitter ... Elon Musk or someone else .... posts my photo. How does anyone know who I am or where my portfolio is?


Do they credit me? Do they post a link to my port?
Customers that would like to use your art and know that they have to respect copyright will find your art and pay for it. Sure some blogger will fetch it from Elon Musk's tweet but who cares? I think both artists mentioned (I was reacting to the latter case) will have seen their income increase multifold by this commotion. But that is a guess because I don't know them personally offcourse.

Sounds hit and miss to me. Mostly miss. I think I'll pass.

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2023, 17:51 »
0
Okay, so help me out here.

Suppose someone on Twitter ... Elon Musk or someone else .... posts my photo. How does anyone know who I am or where my portfolio is?


Do they credit me? Do they post a link to my port?
Customers that would like to use your art and know that they have to respect copyright will find your art and pay for it. Sure some blogger will fetch it from Elon Musk's tweet but who cares? I think both artists mentioned (I was reacting to the latter case) will have seen their income increase multifold by this commotion. But that is a guess because I don't know them personally offcourse.

Sounds hit and miss to me. Mostly miss. I think I'll pass.
Sure thing. So president Biden places my photo and not yours on a tweet without credits. Let's see who's income gets boosted. I am pretty sure it will be me and not you. But you go ahead with your own reasoning.

« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2023, 17:53 »
+9
Elon Musk may tweet my photo's without any credit any day. It will bring a lot of attention to your portfolio for free. But just him and any other person with millions of followers. Don't really see the downside here, only the upside.

I do not like to read your words. In the past, it did not help any farmer if his potatoes were praised by the lord of the manor, as long as the lord of the manor earned money from them and not the farmer.
With this attitude and thinking Elon Musk increases his wealth on the back of other people. This is absolutely unacceptable!

It is also not about promoting a portfolio on Twitter. It's about the illegal use of images. Without paying.

I cannot understand how one can approve of a person with such global market power leveraging copyrights. That is illegal!

I also don't know until today why everyone picks on Bill Gates and worships Elon Musk so much. This man is dangerous from my point of view.



You are getting a bit to emotional here and political as well. Totally unnecessary. The only point I'm making here is that if anyone with such a great audience place your art work it's worth thousands of dollars of promotion. Sure he doesn't pay for using your art but lot's of people will because he promoted your work and you will get a lot of attention of paying customers. And yes you can nag about things not being right but I personally would welcome something like this. And I will bet the artist in question will not be so unhappy as well. Even though she complains about not getting paid by Musk himself or being credited. C'mon think twice :)
But then still you can have another opinion. It's a free world still where we live, isn't it?

I think you misunderstand.

Someone has a supermarket that makes him a lot of money. He goes to the neighboring bakery store and steals a few rolls there, which then lie in the display of his supermarket. No one will wonder where you can legally buy these rolls. They only serve to make the thief's offer more interesting. And if the baker comes and says that the Rolls are stolen, he will be banned from the supermarket.

Sorry, my conception of right looks different!


 

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