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« on: May 15, 2010, 13:14 »
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Hi All,

 My company has just launched a new Macro RM/RF collection titled Spaces Images. You can find it at www.spacesimages.com to see a portion of the work. We are excited to start this collection with the support of Corbis for our launch. We are however multi ditributional so our RM and RF will be carried by many distributors across the globe.
 The collection is much different than my usual lifestyle work actually there is not a person in any of the work. The collection is based on the environments where people live, work and play. After spending 12 years analyzing our personal sales of now 15,000 images we realized by far our best sellers were locations without people that were Property Released when need be. That was the birth of the concept and after a year and a half of work we are now representing 40 wonderful photographers and are launching with 4,000 images.
 We offer all our contributors a 50/50 split so that photographers can continue to be able to afford making stelar photos in this tightening economy. If anyone here is interested in being part of the team please contact us throgh the web site. We already have a couple of MSG members signed and they are exceeding all expectations making the collection stronger every day.
 If you are interested in just learning more please drop me a PM and we can discuss in more detail. No cost to the contributor, we cover all key wording and distribution and you provide us with the finished image and a Property Release where needed, simple as we could make it for the contributor. I hope to hear from some of you, there is a great deal of talent on this site and it is a way to break into the Macro market if that is of interest. Also no expensive models to deal with :D

Cheers,
Jonathan


« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2010, 13:20 »
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Good for you for trying new avenues.  Hope you find it successful.

Seriously though, your most profitable images are non people shots?  That surprises me. I would expect most images without people are very specific to a paticular location.  Where do you find these images of just locations being used?

« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2010, 15:25 »
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I saw the spaces collection last week.  I like that style a lot - very interesting and intriguing I think. 

Are the images uploaded to the spaces collection required to be exclusive?

ap

« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2010, 15:28 »
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can't tell which one are yours, jonathan. but they're very nice.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2010, 15:54 »
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Congratulations, Jonathan; on reaching that next level.  You and your partner must be very proud (as you should be).  Best wishes for a huge success.

« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2010, 16:27 »
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Does RF means non-exclusive?

« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 18:10 »
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Hi SJ,

 It is the strangest thing when we started noticing the trends. Since I have been involved mainly in Macro RF for this kind of content I don't know who it is that buys up all these images but they continually sell. From floor manufacturers to paint companies it is very consistant but still surprising.
 When we first presented it to Corbis they got it right away and showed us the numbers on the returns of these kind of images and across the board this concept was selling well for many photographers. I made 7k off a shot of someone's deck to their home in Macro RF and it is still bringing in sales. I only took the photo because my models were late :D
 I will let you know as we begin to gather data where we see these images used most. Thanks tons for the support, that means a lot to me coming from you.

Cheers,
Jonathan
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 18:23 by Jonathan Ross »

« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 18:16 »
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Hi Leaf,

 Yes they are exclusive to Spaces but we hope to have 100 resellers around the world selling the same content through our distribution channels. Our RM is also multi distributional which is very new to the stock game. It used to be that your Macro RM stayed at just one seller and never had a chance to really be discovered by all the buyers out there.
 It has been realized that buyers of RM that want control of a time period for a certain location or territory are less than 5% so when these sales are made your image is pulled from the other sites until the buyers time is up and then they automatically reload at the other agencies. The best part is if they use exclusive rights it means a much bigger pay check so it is a good thing when your work is being pulled from other sites. It means you are making top dollar on sales. I hope that answers the question, PM me if you want more info.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2010, 18:21 »
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Hi melastmohican,

 Please check these last two responses and see if that answers your question, global distribution to as many sites as actually make reasonable returns. There are about 87 agencies at this time that will make money and we hope to be represented by all of them. But you can't send your image you gave to Spaces to another agency, we take care of all of that end through multi distribution so you don't have to. One statement from us that covers all your sales to all our distributors and you just upload once to us.
 Blend Images is doing it and now so are Cultura and I believe a couple others, I think it will be one way photographers can do what they do best take photos and leave the rest to us which by the way is being supported by Rahul and the Lookstat team. Hope that helps.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 20:04 »
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I got only few exclusive images with Getty Flickr Collection cause I realized that most images they asked for were already published somewhere. It looks I need to start set aside images and build portfolio to apply here. I really like the idea but there is nothing I can do at the moment :-(

« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 21:38 »
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Hi Jonathan,

I've read your post with great interest.
You choose a niche category, and as somebody already mentioned, it is hard to find enough material that is going to be of your interest. I am doing some commercials for local gyms, but they are not providing me with property release, so I can just forget about those. From now on I will be thinking about those types of images and I will try to collect some, and some day submit them to your agency Spaces Images.
I believe in your success, you do not sound like you are just fooling around like many of us, it looks like you already researched that in detail. And of course having Corbis as support is a huge plus.

And, congratulations Jonathan, I wish you all the best.
Kone

« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 23:56 »
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Hi melastmohican,

 Please send me a PM if you want more info on what we are looking for. You don't need a ton of photos for the collection, just good ones with property releases. Locations the average bear might not gain access but through relationships or friends you would be surprised who will sign a release if they get a bunch of free images for signing. Yes, we give our locations free discs of all the images we shoot to motivate them to want to have their location shot. A win/win situation for both and no cost up front for the photographer just a cd. Please stay in touch.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 23:58 »
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Hi Kone,

 Love to talk anytime. Please feel welcome to contact us if we can answer some questions. Thanks for the support, everyone has been super helpful.

Best,
Jonathan

Dook

« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010, 04:29 »
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Great news Jonathan!
And great idea. I must say that these pictures look great in square format. I used to shoot with medium film camera and I miss that feeling a lot. Since you are looking for retouched files, do you prefer square cropped ones, or that was just for representation?
Thanks!

« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2010, 07:05 »
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Really interesting concept Jonathan. I checked some of the photos and they are really beautiful. I will check the collection more and will keep my eyes (and mind) open. I'm usually more a portrait photographer but it's always interesting to explore new avenues.

« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2010, 10:12 »
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Hi Kone, Love to talk anytime. Please feel welcome to contact us if we can answer some questions.
By a coincidence, I know the port of Kone. He has great non-people images, especially his macro/objects, that are exceptional. There are some hidden treasures here.

« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2010, 12:20 »
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Hi FD,

 This site is full of talent without a doubt I am very pleased to here the support MSG is giving the new collection. Unfortunately as with all new web sites we have our first glitch and the thumbs are not loading properly. I will have our web designer fix it in the morning but the images are still viewable they just show up on a light background instead of a black one and the site is loading very slow. Thanks goes out to Rob here on MSG for letting me know, thanks Rob.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2010, 21:07 »
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Hi Kone, Love to talk anytime. Please feel welcome to contact us if we can answer some questions.
By a coincidence, I know the port of Kone. He has great non-people images, especially his macro/objects, that are exceptional. There are some hidden treasures here.

Hi FD,
Thanks for those kind words, and not that I am just returning the favor, but you might have more of Jonathan's niche stuff than I. You travel a lot and you might have some stuff for him. All I have is RF and RM stuff (already submited to other agencies) but as I understand Jonathan is looking for exclusive images, so maybe in the future, I will have something. Actually, I will be very happy to support Jonathan and his team but I have to collect some images and until then, I have nothing to show to Jonathan.
All the best.
Kone

« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010, 00:45 »
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Jonathon you also have a typo on your photographers page

"Anderson Ross Photopraphy" :)

« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2010, 00:21 »
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Hi Phil,

 I can't find the typo. Can you point it out. My name is spelled Jonathan Ross and my Wife is Amy Andersen Ross and the site is www.spacesimages.com I just can't find it. Thanks for the help.

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2010, 00:30 »
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It's the first name in the first column here:
http://www.spacesimages.com/photographers.html

« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2010, 09:13 »
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Thanks Sharply,

 It is the photography, I kept looking at our names. No matter how many times you proof these things there is always something. Thanks and if anyone spots another I will buy my designer a dictionary and me a pair of glasses :)

Best,
Jonathan

RT


« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2010, 06:11 »
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Nice site and interesting collection

« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2010, 09:28 »
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Great idea, and fantastic pictures!

« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2010, 03:28 »
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Congratulations Jonathan :)

lisafx

« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2010, 11:56 »
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Wonderful idea Jonathan, and great start to your collection!  I will keep these type of images in mind for future shoots.  Once I have a few good ones I will be in touch to see if you want to represent them. 

Thanks for bringing the opportunity to the forums :)

« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2010, 14:45 »
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Hi All,

 Well after being online at just one agency for about a week we had our first sale at www.spacesimages.com for $2200 dollars. The really fun pat was this image wasn't even property released. There is still a lot of money to be made in Macro RM. We are now officially a company with returns. Thanks to all that helped this agency become what it has and I hope we see sales like this starting on a very regular basis. Hopefully in the next month we will be represented by 50+ agencies. We are still looking to represent more strong photographers that are interested in learning more about the Macro side of the industry. Great way to finish the week. I am doing my happy dance as I type, which isn't easy  :D

Cheers,
Jonathan

« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2010, 14:59 »
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Brings up the question of property releases.  Property releases have never been shown to be legally required (at least in the US).  Obviously though, you would need to be a property release expert to curate a collection of images of property.  Where are you drawing the line as to what requires a property release?

« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2010, 15:21 »
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Hi Sean,

 We aren't drawing the line on property releases at all the end user has to make the decision if they want to use the image outside of a market that requires a release so it really is a mix out there. Corbis has told us that they sell as many non property released images as they do released ones for commercial use so I guess the need isn't as great as I was always lead to believe by my art directors.
 I think it is good news that both released and non released images are selling well for both commercial use and for editorial. This image was used for commercial purposes leaving any release issue up to the buyer if there should ever be a question. Our agency, Corbis and our contributor are all in the clear because of the way the contracts are designed. Nice to see that no PR doesn't mean you should think about what collection to place it in, just as long as the buyer is the one responsible for the final use

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2010, 15:44 »
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I've always said the buyer should take final responsibility, but the micros are very much against that, as we all know, preferring to take some effort to offer the buyer the knowledge of how they can use it.  How is a image buyer supposed to be versed in the "rules" surrounding releases, and how to get in touch with the person in charge of said property (if it is unrecognizable)?  Isn't that somewhat playing with fire for Corbis (regardless of what may or may not be written)?

Getty offers property releases for use:
http://contributors.gettyimages.com/article.asp?article_id=991

Now, Dan Hellar does seem to indicate these terms are successful, but offering the buyer reassurance would seem to be the best bet to build a customer pool of willing buyers:
http://www.danheller.com/model-release-primer.html#5

On another thing - why don't the thumbnails link to a license purchase page, or why isn't there any link on the site to where you can find these?  I can't even find the collection listed on corbis right now to see how they are listed...
« Last Edit: May 28, 2010, 15:53 by sjlocke »

« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2010, 16:50 »
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Hi

Great news Jonathan, I'm extremely excited about the whole thing.

@sjlocke Here you can find all of the images:
http://www.corbisimages.com/Search#p=1&s=50&sort=0&pr=spaces%20images]
[url]http://www.corbisimages.com/Search#p=1&s=50&sort=0&pr=spaces%20images
[/url]

And here you can see the RM's that I have proudly contributed:

http://www.corbisimages.com/Search#p=1&s=50&sort=0&pg=noam%20armonn

« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2010, 18:09 »
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Sean,

 How Corbis handles its property releases is like all the Macro agencies handle it. Getty also explains clearly in their buyers agreement that if the buyer should use an image where it has not been agreed by the agency is proper then it is the clients responsibility. If you use the interface that Corbis offers you should be able to find anything you wish. Try the advanced search engine it works fine for me. Don't try and compare the model of Micro with Macro they are different in several ways.  The information is out there if you just do a little work.

Jonathan

« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2010, 18:12 »
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Hi Lisa,

 I would love to talk in detail anytime you would like. I have seen your work and I would be happy to have you on board. Thank you for the support and the kind gesture. I hope we are working together in the near future. Remember the 50/50 split  :)

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2010, 03:25 »
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congrats for the sale, Jonathan.
Best,
Diego

« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2010, 03:53 »
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I don't do many interiors but I can do some landscapes around Cornwall that might fit in with this collection.  Hopefully this summer will be better than the last 3 here and I will be in touch in a few months time.


 

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