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Title: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: For Real on December 16, 2021, 13:57
Hey Folks,

Love to hear your predictions for the up and coming 2022 on the Microstock business. I will toss a few of mine out now:

1. AdobeStock will be the top earner of the Poll Result thus trumping Shutterstock (for some that is already happening)
2. At least two of the sites on the poll results will be gone
3. A few new companies will be entering the business

Wish the best for us in 2022!

Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: f8 on December 16, 2021, 14:28
a) All of the agencies will continue to leech off the contributors and distract them with carrot dangling techniques to entice corporate profit and keep reducing royalties all the while contributors will take it and complain like there is no tomorrow and put forth empty threats on forums.

Same same.

b) All of the agencies will realize that without their contributors, the very people who produce their content for sale and keeps them in business will finally show their tremendous gratitude, respect, and increase royalties so that 'we' could all profit and once again make this a sustainable industry.

Dreaming.

Wishing you all the very best for 2022.

Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: HappyBunny on December 16, 2021, 14:36
a) All of the agencies will continue to leech off the contributors and distract them with carrot dangling techniques to entice corporate profit and keep reducing royalties all the while contributors will take it and complain like there is no tomorrow and put forth empty threats on forums.

Same same.

b) All of the agencies will realize that without their contributors, the very people who produce their content for sale and keeps them in business will finally show their tremendous gratitude, respect, and increase royalties so that 'we' could all profit and once again make this a sustainable industry.

Dreaming.

Wishing you all the very best for 2022.


I don't think so. They don't need any new photos. They have more than enough photos of everything.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Jaggy on December 16, 2021, 14:41
I predict that the market for images and video will continue to be strong but RPD will continue to decline as agencies pursue market share.

That means we will probably have to sell 25% more product to make the same amount of money that we made this year.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 16, 2021, 15:00
a) All of the agencies will continue to leech off the contributors and distract them with carrot dangling techniques to entice corporate profit and keep reducing royalties all the while contributors will take it and complain like there is no tomorrow and put forth empty threats on forums.

Same same.

b) All of the agencies will realize that without their contributors, the very people who produce their content for sale and keeps them in business will finally show their tremendous gratitude, respect, and increase royalties so that 'we' could all profit and once again make this a sustainable industry.

Dreaming.

Wishing you all the very best for 2022.


I don't think so. They don't need any new photos. They have more than enough photos of everything.

In this economy the agencies literally have enough video and photos to last many years, just wish I'd gotten out in April 2019.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on December 16, 2021, 15:05
Lots more Canva clones.

Less of even standard sub sales with mostly sub 10c RPDs as more customers switch to these ways of using content. Canva was great as an additional revenue stream, as long as a large enough amount of these sales were new. As agencies improve their Canva-clone offerings too many of our sales are going to be in the 4-5c range (as they are with Canva if I remember correctly). That's why I was trying to get a straight answer from Adobe re. revenue share...
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 16, 2021, 15:09
Let me refine my response:  Ticket to bankruptcy
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Brasilnut on December 17, 2021, 05:40
Unsplash goes public and will be listed on the NYSE, alongside Getty and SS, with contributors rejoicing at the "amazing exposure" they're receiving for their work.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Pixingphotos on December 17, 2021, 11:00
I predict more and more frustrated contributors...
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: DavidK on December 18, 2021, 09:20
I don't know, I think that as the market devolves by virtue of attrition there might actually be fewer frustrated contributors. As SS pushes further into Stan's dream of a subscription only model and AS promotes CCE to the detriment of our silent yet critical partners like mom & pop designers and smaller ad agencies, the market for higher value sales will dwindle even further. Couple this with an industry wide adoption of free content libraries and the incomprehensible (to me) embracement of those by many contributors, means there's little if any room for the pendulum to swing back closer to equilibrium at this point. For anyone whose content actually comes at a cost, or even anyone who places a value on their own time for that matter, the situation will be untenable. Leaving only hobbyists and a handful of factory producers with any incentive or motivation to continue.

I think one needs look no further than the engagement on this forum over the past year to see evidence of this already.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: For Real on December 18, 2021, 19:40
---buyers will demand better quality images thus rejection rates will increase on the Top Tier sites.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: csm on December 18, 2021, 19:55
I don't know, I think that as the market devolves by virtue of attrition there might actually be fewer frustrated contributors. As SS pushes further into Stan's dream of a subscription only model and AS promotes CCE to the detriment of our silent yet critical partners like mom & pop designers and smaller ad agencies, the market for higher value sales will dwindle even further. Couple this with an industry wide adoption of free content libraries and the incomprehensible (to me) embracement of those by many contributors, means there's little if any room for the pendulum to swing back closer to equilibrium at this point. For anyone whose content actually comes at a cost, or even anyone who places a value on their own time for that matter, the situation will be untenable. Leaving only hobbyists and a handful of factory producers with any incentive or motivation to continue.


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Very true.
The cost of taking pictures has come come down because of digital, and like many other industries prices have dropped, but the cost of travel hasn't come down, good cameras are still relatively expensive, models or locations don't come cheap either, if you live in Europe or the US mainly. It seems to me there is a big gulf in what most contributors produce and what agents want. Look at "whats new", flower pots and sunsets and other objects. Front page of most agents sites, is authentic lifestyle which most people aren't producing. I think agents should only be keeping images that they'd be happy to show off on their front page.

I think one needs look no further than the engagement on this forum over the past year to see evidence of this already.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Mantis on December 18, 2021, 20:09
Same crap different day
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 18, 2021, 22:47
I don't know, I think that as the market devolves by virtue of attrition there might actually be fewer frustrated contributors. As SS pushes further into Stan's dream of a subscription only model and AS promotes CCE to the detriment of our silent yet critical partners like mom & pop designers and smaller ad agencies, the market for higher value sales will dwindle even further. Couple this with an industry wide adoption of free content libraries and the incomprehensible (to me) embracement of those by many contributors, means there's little if any room for the pendulum to swing back closer to equilibrium at this point. For anyone whose content actually comes at a cost, or even anyone who places a value on their own time for that matter, the situation will be untenable. Leaving only hobbyists and a handful of factory producers with any incentive or motivation to continue.

I think one needs look no further than the engagement on this forum over the past year to see evidence of this already.

Couldn't agree more on every point and same in the Pond5 forums, I was noticing as well a lot less activity, some walk away but make a big noise about it (like me) and others quietly close the business or go bankrupt and find another job or business.

The only video/photos that might still sell are the extremely niche and hard to get editorial content, something that there isn't a lot of home video shot of cell phones by the public of, other than that it's all free now.

They had all the tornadoes in the US, the media didn't buy from the professional storm chasers but took free video from social media and used, sometimes with permission and sometimes not.

And the free sites?, someone is supplying them? why?, it's quite the social experiment so see an entire industry collapse because people thing free will pay the bills.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 18, 2021, 22:54
Unsplash goes public and will be listed on the NYSE, alongside Getty and SS, with contributors rejoicing at the "amazing exposure" they're receiving for their work.

The worst part is these "clowns" really think that's a good thing, I didn't take business in college but I know that exposure and likes don't pay the bills, the operators of these "startups", the stock agencies and the free sites might be laughing so hard their beer comes out their noses and spills on their keyboard in the offices.

As I am looking for a new job as I can't make a living in stock video anymore it's been near impossible, when your past is camera work you can't get a job in fast food or car wash but I made the boss of a local car wash and car rental place and offer, I offered to work for FREE for a full week just to see if both sides are happy, I love working around cars so I know I can wash and detail cars and trucks, the boss says "I can't have you working for free that would be illegal".

In stock video?, work for free for "exposure" and "likes".

I tried to explain again to him that the it was working for free in stock video that bankrupted me and he didn't understand and said "I think you got scammed buddy", "no one works for free".
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Pacesetter on December 18, 2021, 23:15
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Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 18, 2021, 23:19
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Day trading?, Swing trading? or option trading?, not like stock video/photo gonna print :)
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Mimi the Cat on December 19, 2021, 00:09
I predict more "exciting news"  ::)
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: TonyD on December 19, 2021, 13:27
I think the main stock sites need to explain to stingy buyers the advantages of paying for content instead of going to the freebies.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: cascoly on December 19, 2021, 13:47
Let me refine my response:  Ticket to bankruptcy

how can you go bankrupt if you have passive income? if you're splurging on expensive equipment that's a personal choice & cant be blamed on MS
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 19, 2021, 14:34
I think the main stock sites need to explain to stingy buyers the advantages of paying for content instead of going to the freebies.

I think they do, they offer asset insurance and indemnity but perhaps they could focus and do an advertising campaign around the risks or using free content, that's a really good idea but these are startups and startup people live in a different word than we do.

I'm sure a lot of smaller companies or YouTuber don't realize the risks of using free content, just the cost of having to defend from a lawsuit alone can be catastrophic.  "If it's free it's not worth the risk"- buy from (insert agency name).
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 19, 2021, 14:37
Let me refine my response:  Ticket to bankruptcy

how can you go bankrupt if you have passive income? if you're splurging on expensive equipment that's a personal choice & cant be blamed on MS

My regular and steady sales at Pond5 ended, only one sale this fall but I've operated (stupidly) off a credit card all fall and kept producing more editorial content, definitely no splurging on new equipment for me, as a matter of fact I am looking to see what I can sell off and I would not invest another penny on equipment for this business.  It's not a way to make a living anymore, just really furious with myself that I stayed in past the end of August, the fall selling season sure didn't happen.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 19, 2021, 15:02
I predict more "exciting news"  ::)

I can't believe these startups still use those lines, exciting news, great news, new ways to monetize, earn "more" incremental income yet all mean a pay cut and less income.

Why not just be honest?, everyone hated it when SSTK made their massive royalty cut and the resetting of the levels every year which is another pay cut but as unpleasant as it was they did it straight up and take it or leave it.

I was very disappointed but I knew straight up I wasn't gonna be able to make a living selling on SSTK anymore, over at Pond5 on April 1 2019 sales just ended and nothing but silence and then they came up with the exclusive program and we all know how that worked out.

Kinda reminds me of these points programs the gas stations have up here in Canada, "earn more points" and "save money with petro-points", like the stock agencies it's a SCAM, you know how much gas I'd have to buy to get that one "free" carwash on those points?....yeah.



Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: H2O on December 20, 2021, 06:09
Microstock will just get worse over the short term, commission rates will continue to be cut, maybe even stopped or put ‘on hold’ as many of the sites will call it.

Shutterstock have shown the way on this with their January restart every year, I believe the overall outlook is very grim.

On the upside, in the long run, I believe that many countries, probably starting in Europe will look to bring in legislation to fairly compensate contributors, perhaps with a law that makes these companies responsible to all stake holders on a equal basis, when a company is sold, takes on debt, commission rates or terms and condition changes, basically all contributors having a equal vote at the shareholders annual meeting.

Perhaps they will bring in laws that state contributors/creatives are the ones who decide how much their work is charged out at, along with the commission rates.

As for the sites manipulating the search engines to favour the highest return for their ‘shareholders’ this will also be outlawed.

As in the music industry, new technology has been used to scam artists in our sector of the creative arts, initially drawing in the talent and then after suckering them in, ripping them off.

The law and basic human rites are always slow to catch up with the 19th century mill owners, but it will come.

Or perhaps the advent of new technology will supersede microstock as we know it, like a search engine that seeks out individual websites of artist, photographers as a listing site, creating a market of independent online shops, which to a certain degree has been happening, maybe this will supersede microstock sites as we know them.

The other point I would make is, companies like Adobe have a vested interest in higher commission rates for us, as we buy their software, lets hope they hold their nerve, as many contributors (myself included) will only be uploading fresh content to them alone, ignoring SS/Getty and the other low hanging fruit, maybe 2022 could be a breakthrough year for Adobe.

I would suggest that if Adobe offered an exclusive contract, this could be a knock out blow for the likes of Getty and Shutterstock.

Personally, and I'm sure most people would like to see this, is Getty going bust and then wound down, with all the constituent parts sold off individually.

I also believe that there should be legislation on separating historic or commisioned photographs, art/illustation libraries from individual contributors portfolios on Microstock sites, companies should only be allowed to sell one or the other, or they should have the two types of content on totally separate sites.

Overall the outlook in the long term is better than in the short term.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: thijsdegraaf on December 20, 2021, 06:33
Legislation, which makes internet companies more responsible for the sale of stolen goods, will be introduced. Just like banks are now being held responsible for money laundering criminal money and receive high fines in the Netherlands.

I don't believe we get more rights through the law.

The biggest problem for us remains the ever-increasing amount of photos and the ever-increasing range of free photos.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 20, 2021, 10:22
Legislation, which makes internet companies more responsible for the sale of stolen goods, will be introduced. Just like banks are now being held responsible for money laundering criminal money and receive high fines in the Netherlands.

I don't believe we get more rights through the law.

The biggest problem for us remains the ever-increasing amount of photos and the ever-increasing range of free photos.

and free videos....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w4cb54pYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w4cb54pYY)

I've been saying this since the agencies started offering free collections (using our content) to allegedly compete with the free sites. It's a SCAM and we are being scammed, the agencies will do everything to drive down our earnings all while they make good money selling our content wholesale to their "trusted global partners" around the world.

I do however wonder what's up with the free sites, how are they making the money needed to fund their operations?, site development, maintenance, storage and transfer from the cloud on AWS, and staff,  are they being funded by organized crime?, money laundering?, OR are they being funded and secretly run by the existing stock agencies as a loss for tax purposes?.  Who owns these sites?.....

Our banks are getting tough as well in Canada, same like yours in the Netherlands and same reasons.







Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 20, 2021, 10:33
Legislation, which makes internet companies more responsible for the sale of stolen goods, will be introduced. Just like banks are now being held responsible for money laundering criminal money and receive high fines in the Netherlands.

Not sure if legislation like that will ever come about in Canada or the US but it might, it's interesting and sometimes well meaning legislation can have unintended consequences even for those playing by rules.

I think it was this year, a large adult content site, P--rnhub had to delete most of it's content and contributors had to prove it was their own content and 18+ actors in the content and real names and ID needed to be used in the application process, a lot of people lost their way of making a living overnight.....even those who were in compliance with the laws but now had to upload their ID to a "secure" server.......

So with stock video/photos, the legislation might require agencies to verify they content the are trafficking in is not stolen but that won't stop the free sites and the free stock YouTube channels.



Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Mantis on December 20, 2021, 22:23
Painnnnnnn
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: For Real on December 21, 2021, 13:51
I predict more "exciting news"  ::)

Now you got me excited for 2022!  8)
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 21, 2021, 14:26
Seriously, I think it's going to be mostly hobbyists and maybe students left but not many able to make any form of living in video or photos.

There's just no way, the agencies which control most of the paid market have all their content deals with "Trusted global partners" and there is zero transparency. SSTK cut our commissions, others cut commissions differently but commissions have been cut regardless.

You can try selling direct but customers will want insurance and indemnity and if you manage to get around that the agencies will play the free or nearly free card and will undercut you. I hate to say but if you try and open a pizza shop in an area run by the mafia you might not sell many pizzas, they will undercut you until you go out of business.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: thijsdegraaf on December 21, 2021, 14:47
Well, everything changes over time.
Before photography you had painters who could live off their painting as a kind of photographer.
With the advent of photography, painting changed and it became more difficult to live on. Yet the talented painters, draftsmen still succeed.
Professional photographers subsequently faced enormous competition from digital cameras, telephones and the Internet with stock photo photography. Still, talented photographers manage to earn a good living.
The huge competition, amount of photos, videos, powerful stock sites now makes it very difficult for a stock photographer to earn a good living.
I suspect that just like well-earning painters, professional photographers, there will also be well-earning highly talented stock photographers.
The majority will do it more as a hobby or good side income, just like many painters.
Looking back, explaining history is easy. Predicting the future is difficult.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 21, 2021, 20:57
Well, everything changes over time.
Before photography you had painters who could live off their painting as a kind of photographer.
With the advent of photography, painting changed and it became more difficult to live on. Yet the talented painters, draftsmen still succeed.
Professional photographers subsequently faced enormous competition from digital cameras, telephones and the Internet with stock photo photography. Still, talented photographers manage to earn a good living.
The huge competition, amount of photos, videos, powerful stock sites now makes it very difficult for a stock photographer to earn a good living.
I suspect that just like well-earning painters, professional photographers, there will also be well-earning highly talented stock photographers.
The majority will do it more as a hobby or good side income, just like many painters.
Looking back, explaining history is easy. Predicting the future is difficult.

Predicting the future is near impossible now and changing careers/jobs is just as impossible as I'm finding out.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: alan b traehern on December 22, 2021, 05:53
Legislation, which makes internet companies more responsible for the sale of stolen goods, will be introduced. Just like banks are now being held responsible for money laundering criminal money and receive high fines in the Netherlands.

Not sure if legislation like that will ever come about in Canada or the US but it might, it's interesting and sometimes well meaning legislation can have unintended consequences even for those playing by rules.

I think it was this year, a large adult content site, P--rnhub had to delete most of it's content and contributors had to prove it was their own content and 18+ actors in the content and real names and ID needed to be used in the application process, a lot of people lost their way of making a living overnight.....even those who were in compliance with the laws but now had to upload their ID to a "secure" server.......

So with stock video/photos, the legislation might require agencies to verify they content the are trafficking in is not stolen but that won't stop the free sites and the free stock YouTube channels.

Please learn to start your posts after the quote you make the forum look like crap.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 22, 2021, 15:35
Legislation, which makes internet companies more responsible for the sale of stolen goods, will be introduced. Just like banks are now being held responsible for money laundering criminal money and receive high fines in the Netherlands.

Not sure if legislation like that will ever come about in Canada or the US but it might, it's interesting and sometimes well meaning legislation can have unintended consequences even for those playing by rules.

I think it was this year, a large adult content site, P--rnhub had to delete most of it's content and contributors had to prove it was their own content and 18+ actors in the content and real names and ID needed to be used in the application process, a lot of people lost their way of making a living overnight.....even those who were in compliance with the laws but now had to upload their ID to a "secure" server.......

So with stock video/photos, the legislation might require agencies to verify they content the are trafficking in is not stolen but that won't stop the free sites and the free stock YouTube channels.

Please learn to start your posts after the quote you make the forum look like crap.

I thought I was typing after the quote....
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: jav on December 23, 2021, 14:56
Perhaps the larger agencies propose to buy all or part of the collections to sell as NFTs in the metaverses. The value of the works (in crypto) could increase over time, but the agencies are likely to keep those benefits.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: For Real on December 23, 2021, 15:40
Perhaps the larger agencies propose to buy all or part of the collections to sell as NFTs in the metaverses. The value of the works (in crypto) could increase over time, but the agencies are likely to keep those benefits.


"Agencies are likely"  --- Agencies will keep those benefits.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Findura on December 26, 2021, 10:17
I think the main stock sites need to explain to stingy buyers the advantages of paying for content instead of going to the freebies.

I don't think that's necessary.
First, buyers know that free images are not necessarily safe images. They are afraid of penalties.
And secondly, and this concerns professional image buyers, it is embarrassing and shows a lack of success when the website is decorated with free images that have already been used thousands of times on other websites.

Don't be so negative.
Instead of a new camera lens, some of you could give yourselves a positive thinking seminar. ;D
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 30, 2021, 15:31
The more I think about it, the only immediate goal for 2021 should be to find a way to sell this product (video and photos bother editorial and commercial) outside of the agencies but at the same time keep the content on the semi-viable agencies for now as they still earn a small amount of money.  Pond5, Adobe and maybe SSTK?.

I don't know what the other ways would be, selling direct, YouTube, a new platform that's not been developed yet?.

One thing is for sure and that is the agencies are no longer a viable platform on which to make a living at this.

The agencies have physical possession of our content on their servers so it's not like we have control of the content, pond5 has global partners, Adobe is one, they others remain secret, other agencies have "distribution deals" who knows what sites or servers around the world your content is on

With other selling platforms like eBay and Kijiji you have physical control of the product and you can decide when and if to release it when the price is right but not with these stock agencies. They do what they want and it's all legal as per the TOS but were are headed straight for bankruptcy.

It may not be possible and in that case it's time to update your resumes and start looking for jobs or other businesses, self-employment or whatever but if no way can be found ASAP to sell this product outside of the cartel of stock agencies then it's over.

and it might be over as many larger clients will only buy from an agency for legal reasons.



Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Firn on December 31, 2021, 04:28
Since everyone's predictions for 22 seem so gloomy, I thought I would share some numbers to give some people hope that maybe not all is lost in microstock. I am sure it's not the "good old days" anymore and rerquired more work these days, but it's not just all going downhills.
 I am not one of the "big players" in microstock, I don't make tons of money from it, but it's till a nice amount each month that contributes greatly to covering my living costs, so definitely more than just pocket change.

Shutterstock earnings
January 20->21: +131%
February 20->21: +214%
March 20->21: +151%
April 20->21: +74%
May 20->21: +132%
June 20->21: +140%
July 20->21: +148%
August 20->21: +123%
September 20->21: +45%
October 20->21: +98%
November 20->21: +23%
December 20->21: +11%

iStock earnings
January 20->21: +76%
February 20->21: +117%
March 20->21: +130%
April 20->21: +62%
May 20->21: +158%
June 20->21: +50%
July 20->21: +79%
August 20->21: +131%
September 20->21: +33%
October 20->21: +79%
November 20->21: +170%
 
Adobe earnings
January 20->21: +41%
February 20->21: +50%
March 20->21: +56%
April 20->21: -11%
May 20->21: -12%
June 20->21: -45%
July 20->21: +99%
August 20->21: +131%
September 20->21: +35%
October 20->21: +53%
November 20->21: +37%
December 20->21: +50%

My conclusions for 2021 and prediction for 22: Not everything is on the decline. If you  keep putting effort into microstock, there is still a reward in in, income can still increase. I don't have any plans (mostly for the lack of ideas) to find a different way to sell my photos, but only plan to expand my portfolio and hopefully further increase my earnings.
Also, some conclusions at least from my portfolio:
The level earning structure on SS doesn't seem to be so bad, at least if you rise in level fast.
iSTock and SS, the agencies most people seem to hate are not only the ones that earn me the most money, but also the ones where my income improved the most in 21 compared to 20.
- Adobe, which averyone praises so much, is the agenciy with the smalles increade in earnings, even with a decline in earnings compared to 2020 during some months. Me and Adobe will probably never become good friends.

I didn't add the numbers for the small agencies, because it's so much work and also because I only joined most of them this year, so I don't have numbers to compare. On Alamy my earnings seem to be a bit better than in 20. At least they are more frequent, but with the many very low sales and me still waiting for sales from 9 months ago to clear, it's not so easy to get proper numbers. Last year Dreamstime was my best-selling agency of the "small ones", but both sale numbers and earnings are now on the decline, so not much hope for my future there.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Steveball on December 31, 2021, 04:54
Lower and lower rates because we do nothing about it, people still contribute regardless so the agencies do whatever they want.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: csm on December 31, 2021, 06:16
Lower and lower rates because we do nothing about it, people still contribute regardless so the agencies do whatever they want.

Thats exactly it.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Wilm on December 31, 2021, 07:20
Since everyone's predictions for 22 seem so gloomy, I thought I would share some numbers to give some people hope that maybe not all is lost in microstock. I am sure it's not the "good old days" anymore and rerquired more work these days, but it's not just all going downhills.
 I am not one of the "big players" in microstock, I don't make tons of money from it, but it's till a nice amount each month that contributes greatly to covering my living costs, so definitely more than just pocket change.

Shutterstock earnings
January 20->21: +131%
February 20->21: +214%
March 20->21: +151%
April 20->21: +74%
May 20->21: +132%
June 20->21: +140%
July 20->21: +148%
August 20->21: +123%
September 20->21: +45%
October 20->21: +98%
November 20->21: +23%
December 20->21: +11%

iStock earnings
January 20->21: +76%
February 20->21: +117%
March 20->21: +130%
April 20->21: +62%
May 20->21: +158%
June 20->21: +50%
July 20->21: +79%
August 20->21: +131%
September 20->21: +33%
October 20->21: +79%
November 20->21: +170%
 
Adobe earnings
January 20->21: +41%
February 20->21: +50%
March 20->21: +56%
April 20->21: -11%
May 20->21: -12%
June 20->21: -45%
July 20->21: +99%
August 20->21: +131%
September 20->21: +35%
October 20->21: +53%
November 20->21: +37%
December 20->21: +50%

My conclusions for 2021 and prediction for 22: Not everything is on the decline. If you  keep putting effort into microstock, there is still a reward in in, income can still increase. I don't have any plans (mostly for the lack of ideas) to find a different way to sell my photos, but only plan to expand my portfolio and hopefully further increase my earnings.
Also, some conclusions at least from my portfolio:
The level earning structure on SS doesn't seem to be so bad, at least if you rise in level fast.
iSTock and SS, the agencies most people seem to hate are not only the ones that earn me the most money, but also the ones where my income improved the most in 21 compared to 20.
- Adobe, which averyone praises so much, is the agenciy with the smalles increade in earnings, even with a decline in earnings compared to 2020 during some months. Me and Adobe will probably never become good friends.

I didn't add the numbers for the small agencies, because it's so much work and also because I only joined most of them this year, so I don't have numbers to compare. On Alamy my earnings seem to be a bit better than in 20. At least they are more frequent, but with the many very low sales and me still waiting for sales from 9 months ago to clear, it's not so easy to get proper numbers. Last year Dreamstime was my best-selling agency of the "small ones", but both sale numbers and earnings are now on the decline, so not much hope for my future there.


Firn, unfortunately I cannot share your positive listing. I think that the negative trend will continue and the RPD will continue to decline.
Everyone must judge for themselves whether the effort is still worth it.

The biggest negative part of my personal development has shutterstock. Compared to my best year, I have 5,250 fewer downloads there in 2021. Since the RPD there was $0.88 in my best year and now it's 0.61, the financial losses are much higher in percentage terms. Since I also don't upload anything there anymore, the downloads will continuously decrease even more and the revenues will decrease accordingly even more significantly. Also because it will take me longer to get back to my original level.
But I don't want to fight against a decreasing RPD with more work - I don't want to reward shutterstock with useless extra work.
The same is true for other agencies. When I upload something, which is rare at the moment, I focus on Adobe Stock. Because there, download numbers and revenue have increased slightly for me, and RPD has remained fairly stable, at least over the last 4 years, even though I've uploaded very little there, too.

But with almost all agencies, the continuously decreasing RPD is clearly visible.

Let me compare the current RPD from 2021 with the one from 2015:

Adobe Stock
2015 RPD = $ 1.38
2021 RPD = $ 1.23
Down 11%

dreamstime:
2015 RPD = $ 1.29
2021 RPD = $ 1.15
Down 11%

shutterstock:
2015 RPD = $ 0.75
2021 RPD = $ 0.61
Down 18.7%

Deposit:
2015 RPD = $ 0.59
2021 RPD = $ 0.43
Down 27.2%

123rf:
2015 RPD = $ 0.98
2021 RPD = $ 0.65
Down 33.7%

iStock:
2015 RPD = $ 0.58
2021 RPD = $ 0.64
Up 10.2%

Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Firn on December 31, 2021, 08:05

The biggest negative part of my personal development has shutterstock. Compared to my best year, I have 5,250 fewer downloads there in 2021. Since the RPD there was $0.88 in my best year and now it's 0.61, the financial losses are much higher in percentage terms.

See Wilm, I have always had a bit different approach to this than most people here seem to have. I don't care much about download numbers or RPD. It's a number you use to determine the worth an agency attaches to your photos, but it doesn't really translate well for me in regards of the time/costs - earnings relation and it doesn't pay my bills. You could have a RPD of 10$, but if your shoots are very expensive, because you rent locations and hire models, you could still end up getting less money for your time and costs than someone who just takes photos of his backyard flowers and has an RPD of 0.30$.

What I care about is how much money I get for my work at the end of the month. How much time did I spend to take, keyword and edit the photos? Did I spend time creating props, driving to locations or did I spend money on props for the photos? And these factors are alwys the same on all agencies. I don't spend more time or money on photos I submit to Shutterstock than on Adobe, Alamy or iStock. So why should I care for the RPD? I have a much better  RPD on Alamy for example than on Shutterstock.  What use is the high RPD on Alamy to me? The money I earn from them is pocket money at best. The money I get from Shutterstock pays my rent and has more than doubled within the past year.

And, if I remmeber correctly, you were one of the people who said you hardly submit new content to Shutterstock anymore? Because that's something I see a lot - people who say they rarely submit new images or don't submit new images at all, but then are frustrated that their income declines. Maybe submitting some images and then just watching them make you money without submiting new content is something that used to work on Shutterstock years ago. I don't know. This is only my 4th year doing microstock. But nowadays, at least from my experinece, you have to keep putting effort into it if you want to see a reward. For me that seems to work.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Uncle Pete on December 31, 2021, 08:42
Since everyone's predictions for 22 seem so gloomy, I thought I would share some numbers to give some people hope that maybe not all is lost in microstock. I am sure it's not the "good old days" anymore and rerquired more work these days, but it's not just all going downhills.
 I am not one of the "big players" in microstock, I don't make tons of money from it, but it's till a nice amount each month that contributes greatly to covering my living costs, so definitely more than just pocket change.

My conclusions for 2021 and prediction for 22: Not everything is on the decline. If you  keep putting effort into microstock, there is still a reward in in, income can still increase. I don't have any plans (mostly for the lack of ideas) to find a different way to sell my photos, but only plan to expand my portfolio and hopefully further increase my earnings.
Also, some conclusions at least from my portfolio:
The level earning structure on SS doesn't seem to be so bad, at least if you rise in level fast.
iSTock and SS, the agencies most people seem to hate are not only the ones that earn me the most money, but also the ones where my income improved the most in 21 compared to 20.
- Adobe, which averyone praises so much, is the agenciy with the smalles increade in earnings, even with a decline in earnings compared to 2020 during some months. Me and Adobe will probably never become good friends.

I didn't add the numbers for the small agencies, because it's so much work and also because I only joined most of them this year, so I don't have numbers to compare. On Alamy my earnings seem to be a bit better than in 20. At least they are more frequent, but with the many very low sales and me still waiting for sales from 9 months ago to clear, it's not so easy to get proper numbers. Last year Dreamstime was my best-selling agency of the "small ones", but both sale numbers and earnings are now on the decline, so not much hope for my future there.

Thanks I enjoyed that.  :)

Just for something a little bit different, and we're all different because of what we create and upload, Adobe income passed Shutterstock this year for me. That's a first. Not only because Adobe was best income year ever, but because SS payback is going down every year.

... Because that's something I see a lot - people who say they rarely submit new images or don't submit new images at all, but then are frustrated that their income declines. Maybe submitting some images and then just watching them make you money without submiting new content is something that used to work on Shutterstock years ago. I don't know. This is only my 4th year doing microstock. But nowadays, at least from my experinece, you have to keep putting effort into it if you want to see a reward. For me that seems to work.

One of my favorites, and it isn't just one person, things like "I removed my best images and I stopped uploading to SS, now my sales are terrible." Yeah, what did they expect?  ::) Or the one who deleted his portfolio then re-uploaded, then deleted and re-uploaded, plus only uploads new files after they have been on other sites for a month. And he wonders why the images aren't selling or don't have the rank they used to?  :o

I was waiting to say what I think for 2022, but it's almost tomorrow, close enough. I expect things to keep getting worse, and keep changing, as the agencies find any way they can to pay us less for our work. The only way to earn more is, upload more new files, of what's trending and needed. More of the same old stuff is the SOS, Same Old S#it and won't make more money.

That's my prediction. The ship has sailed, the train left the station and there's no way Microstock is going to make a stunning comeback, no new plan, or agency is coming to take us to the next level UP!. There is no new Next Big Thing. Just work smart and earn.

Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: DavidK on December 31, 2021, 09:19

The biggest negative part of my personal development has shutterstock. Compared to my best year, I have 5,250 fewer downloads there in 2021. Since the RPD there was $0.88 in my best year and now it's 0.61, the financial losses are much higher in percentage terms.

See Wilm, I have always had a bit different approach to this than most people here seem to have. I don't care much about download numbers or RPD. It's a number you use to determine the worth an agency attaches to your photos, but it doesn't really translate well for me in regards of the time/costs - earnings relation and it doesn't pay my bills. You could have a RPD of 10$, but if your shoots are very expensive, because you rent locations and hire models, you could still end up getting less money for your time and costs than someone who just takes photos of his backyard flowers and has an RPD of 0.30$.

What I care about is how much money I get for my work at the end of the month. How much time did I spend to take, keyword and edit the photos? Did I spend time creating props, driving to locations or did I spend money on props for the photos? And these factors are alwys the same on all agencies. I don't soend more time or money on photos I submit to Shutterstock than on Adobe, Alamy or iStock. So why should I care for the RPD? I have a much betrter  RPD on Alamy for example than on Shutterstock.  What use is the high RPD on Alamy to me? The money I earn from them is pocket money at best. The money I get from Shutterstock pays my rent and has more than doubled within the past year.

And, if I remmeber correctly, you were one of the people who said you hardly submit new content to Shutterstock anymore? Because that's something I see a lot - people who say they rarely submit new images or don't submit new images at all, but then are frustrated that their income declines. Maybe submitting some images and then just watching them make you money without submiting new content is something that used to work on Shutterstock years ago. I don't know. This is only my 4th year doing microstock. But nowadays, at least from my experinece, you have to keep putting effort into it if you want to see a reward. For me that seems to work.

Mostly agree Firn, however for me RPD is very important when factored with RPA in understanding not just how individual agencies are measuring up but also how my portfolio and microstock in general is performing overall. In other words effort in vs reward out. This I find gives much more insight into the relative usefulness/futility of not just continuing to upload or not, but also insight into how much.

Like you I am most interested in the bottom line but there are definitely metrics that can be applied to help figure out exactly how much effort you need to put in before you start back pedaling. As you have already stated, simple figures like overall revenue or revenue growth can be very misleading if taken out of context. For example one well known SS forum member often posted sales numbers which to the uninitiated seemed very impressive on the surface, however digging deeper it quickly became apparent that ancillary considerations like time spent, travel expenses, equipment costs and depreciation, etc. were intentionally omitted in order to inflate (for glaringly obvious reasons) his bottom line. The point is that without taking everything into consideration (including RPD) it's pretty easy to fool yourself as well.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Wilm on December 31, 2021, 10:58

The biggest negative part of my personal development has shutterstock. Compared to my best year, I have 5,250 fewer downloads there in 2021. Since the RPD there was $0.88 in my best year and now it's 0.61, the financial losses are much higher in percentage terms.

See Wilm, I have always had a bit different approach to this than most people here seem to have. I don't care much about download numbers or RPD. It's a number you use to determine the worth an agency attaches to your photos, but it doesn't really translate well for me in regards of the time/costs - earnings relation and it doesn't pay my bills. You could have a RPD of 10$, but if your shoots are very expensive, because you rent locations and hire models, you could still end up getting less money for your time and costs than someone who just takes photos of his backyard flowers and has an RPD of 0.30$.

What I care about is how much money I get for my work at the end of the month. How much time did I spend to take, keyword and edit the photos? Did I spend time creating props, driving to locations or did I spend money on props for the photos? And these factors are alwys the same on all agencies. I don't soend more time or money on photos I submit to Shutterstock than on Adobe, Alamy or iStock. So why should I care for the RPD? I have a much betrter  RPD on Alamy for example than on Shutterstock.  What use is the high RPD on Alamy to me? The money I earn from them is pocket money at best. The money I get from Shutterstock pays my rent and has more than doubled within the past year.

And, if I remmeber correctly, you were one of the people who said you hardly submit new content to Shutterstock anymore? Because that's something I see a lot - people who say they rarely submit new images or don't submit new images at all, but then are frustrated that their income declines. Maybe submitting some images and then just watching them make you money without submiting new content is something that used to work on Shutterstock years ago. I don't know. This is only my 4th year doing microstock. But nowadays, at least from my experinece, you have to keep putting effort into it if you want to see a reward. For me that seems to work.

Firn, that's right, I don't upload anything to shutterstock anymore. That's what I had written.

Shutterstock used to be my favorite agency a few years ago. But it has deteriorated so much there that I just don't have the motivation to feed the database there anymore.

I don't have any costs for the creation of my images. I don't need models, no studio, no studio rent or equipment, no staff, I don't drive anywhere to shoot. It's the other way around. When I'm somewhere, I take pictures there. I don't have expensive photo equipment either, I still take photos with my compact camera. My "cost" is in the time I have to invest to create an image, upload it and create keywords. It's my hourly wage. And when someone keeps lowering the hourly wage while taking in more and more, I feel screwed.

With Adobe Stock, my RPD is double what it is with shutterstock. I didn't get enough downloads together to get the full CC for free, because I didn't make the 5000 - unfortunately. I have never made it there. Even in my best year, I would have been just under 130 downloads short. But in our other forum you may have read that there are some contributors who have easily made it. By the way, one of them who makes it has less than 600 images in his portfolio. So that's an additional financial incentive to make an effort there. And I don't see that incentive with the other agencies anymore.

I have about 1300 images in the portfolio - on average for the agencies where I offer. I would have to double the images to make up for my losses from previous years. And if RPD is $0.10 at some point, I would have to upload six times the amount of images to make the same income. But then my hourly wage would just be way too low for me.

I also wouldn't work for an employer who cut my pay while my cost of living and his profit went up. And I certainly wouldn't work there more for the reduced pay. But as I wrote before: Everyone has to decide for himself. I will let it expire there - with all the resulting negative consequences, which you have already correctly indicated.

But here's a question: How many images have you uploaded to shutterstock this year?
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Firn on December 31, 2021, 11:12


But here's a question: How many images have you uploaded to shutterstock this year?
Around 2500 images, I think. I don't know the exact number, I don't think there is a way to ckeck on Shutterstock?
But so far I pretty much submitted a very similar amount of photos each month. I like sticking to fixed schedules.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 31, 2021, 11:46
Since everyone's predictions for 22 seem so gloomy, I thought I would share some numbers to give some people hope that maybe not all is lost in microstock. I am sure it's not the "good old days" anymore and rerquired more work these days, but it's not just all going downhills.
 I am not one of the "big players" in microstock, I don't make tons of money from it, but it's till a nice amount each month that contributes greatly to covering my living costs, so definitely more than just pocket change.

My conclusions for 2021 and prediction for 22: Not everything is on the decline. If you  keep putting effort into microstock, there is still a reward in in, income can still increase. I don't have any plans (mostly for the lack of ideas) to find a different way to sell my photos, but only plan to expand my portfolio and hopefully further increase my earnings.
Also, some conclusions at least from my portfolio:
The level earning structure on SS doesn't seem to be so bad, at least if you rise in level fast.
iSTock and SS, the agencies most people seem to hate are not only the ones that earn me the most money, but also the ones where my income improved the most in 21 compared to 20.
- Adobe, which averyone praises so much, is the agenciy with the smalles increade in earnings, even with a decline in earnings compared to 2020 during some months. Me and Adobe will probably never become good friends.

I didn't add the numbers for the small agencies, because it's so much work and also because I only joined most of them this year, so I don't have numbers to compare. On Alamy my earnings seem to be a bit better than in 20. At least they are more frequent, but with the many very low sales and me still waiting for sales from 9 months ago to clear, it's not so easy to get proper numbers. Last year Dreamstime was my best-selling agency of the "small ones", but both sale numbers and earnings are now on the decline, so not much hope for my future there.

Thanks I enjoyed that.  :)

Just for something a little bit different, and we're all different because of what we create and upload, Adobe income passed Shutterstock this year for me. That's a first. Not only because Adobe was best income year ever, but because SS payback is going down every year.

... Because that's something I see a lot - people who say they rarely submit new images or don't submit new images at all, but then are frustrated that their income declines. Maybe submitting some images and then just watching them make you money without submiting new content is something that used to work on Shutterstock years ago. I don't know. This is only my 4th year doing microstock. But nowadays, at least from my experinece, you have to keep putting effort into it if you want to see a reward. For me that seems to work.

One of my favorites, and it isn't just one person, things like "I removed my best images and I stopped uploading to SS, now my sales are terrible." Yeah, what did they expect?  ::) Or the one who deleted his portfolio then re-uploaded, then deleted and re-uploaded, plus only uploads new files after they have been on other sites for a month. And he wonders why the images aren't selling or don't have the rank they used to?  :o

I was waiting to say what I think for 2022, but it's almost tomorrow, close enough. I expect things to keep getting worse, and keep changing, as the agencies find any way they can to pay us less for our work. The only way to earn more is, upload more new files, of what's trending and needed. More of the same old stuff is the SOS, Same Old S#it and won't make more money.

That's my prediction. The ship has sailed, the train left the station and there's no way Microstock is going to make a stunning comeback, no new plan, or agency is coming to take us to the next level UP!. There is no new Next Big Thing. Just work smart and earn.

Question for you, despite all that gloomy prediction and I think you're 100% right btw, the train has left and there isn't another one coming, it's not gonna come back unless contributors find a way to sell this product outside of the agencies and if that happens the agencies will just take everyone's content and become free sites overnight to super flood the market and sink the contributors for good, the agencies are startups, they us workers with zero value.

How do you justify and find the motivation to even try going forward even without hiring models but just filming or photographing anything in your city?, for 10 cents and now 1 to 7 cents at Alamy it's barely a hobby or small side income for those who are retired.

Yesterday for example, I had nothing to do and the weather was decent and I couldn't bring myself to take the camera out and I had a whole list of ideas as Omicron has left my town empty like an abandoned movie set as everyone stays home but knowing that sales are so few now and pay so little I went out but without the camera.

You say work smart and earn and keep on top of the trends but how to find the trends? and again?, the pay out is so low now. 

I went from making a full time living at this to almost zero income since September 1 and now literally running a lemonade stand in the middle of winter on a snow day would make me more money.


Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: DavidK on December 31, 2021, 12:04


But here's a question: How many images have you uploaded to shutterstock this year?

I think I see where you are going with that Wilm, and if I'm right it highlights what to me is probably the most profound change in microstock over the years. A trend which I'm afraid will continue well past 2022.

Earnings growth at one time much was more in line with portfolio growth. It was never a direct correlation obviously, but it was as I say, more predictable. I remember when feeding the beast used to be the mantra, and for a while it seemed to work. Now not so much. It's not the new earnings levels, pay cuts, increased competition, accelerated asset attrition, search engine bias, or even free images per se. It's all of the above combined that have greatly diminished the overall earning potential of any asset. Agencies don't rely on the success or failure of individual assets or portfolios but we do. To me this is the single most important factor that makes the whole game ultimately unsustainable.

Best to remember though that there's a honeymoon period for all of us and we all need to figure this out in our own time.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: HalfFull on December 31, 2021, 12:05
Since everyone's predictions for 22 seem so gloomy, I thought I would share some numbers to give some people hope that maybe not all is lost in microstock. I am sure it's not the "good old days" anymore and rerquired more work these days, but it's not just all going downhills.
 I am not one of the "big players" in microstock, I don't make tons of money from it, but it's till a nice amount each month that contributes greatly to covering my living costs, so definitely more than just pocket change.

Shutterstock earnings
January 20->21: +131%
February 20->21: +214%
March 20->21: +151%
April 20->21: +74%
May 20->21: +132%
June 20->21: +140%
July 20->21: +148%
August 20->21: +123%
September 20->21: +45%
October 20->21: +98%
November 20->21: +23%
December 20->21: +11%

iStock earnings
January 20->21: +76%
February 20->21: +117%
March 20->21: +130%
April 20->21: +62%
May 20->21: +158%
June 20->21: +50%
July 20->21: +79%
August 20->21: +131%
September 20->21: +33%
October 20->21: +79%
November 20->21: +170%
 
Adobe earnings
January 20->21: +41%
February 20->21: +50%
March 20->21: +56%
April 20->21: -11%
May 20->21: -12%
June 20->21: -45%
July 20->21: +99%
August 20->21: +131%
September 20->21: +35%
October 20->21: +53%
November 20->21: +37%
December 20->21: +50%

My conclusions for 2021 and prediction for 22: Not everything is on the decline. If you  keep putting effort into microstock, there is still a reward in in, income can still increase. I don't have any plans (mostly for the lack of ideas) to find a different way to sell my photos, but only plan to expand my portfolio and hopefully further increase my earnings.
Also, some conclusions at least from my portfolio:
The level earning structure on SS doesn't seem to be so bad, at least if you rise in level fast.
iSTock and SS, the agencies most people seem to hate are not only the ones that earn me the most money, but also the ones where my income improved the most in 21 compared to 20.
- Adobe, which averyone praises so much, is the agenciy with the smalles increade in earnings, even with a decline in earnings compared to 2020 during some months. Me and Adobe will probably never become good friends.

I didn't add the numbers for the small agencies, because it's so much work and also because I only joined most of them this year, so I don't have numbers to compare. On Alamy my earnings seem to be a bit better than in 20. At least they are more frequent, but with the many very low sales and me still waiting for sales from 9 months ago to clear, it's not so easy to get proper numbers. Last year Dreamstime was my best-selling agency of the "small ones", but both sale numbers and earnings are now on the decline, so not much hope for my future there.

Apart from a couple of smaller agencies,things have been good in 2021. My main  agencies provide 10%+ year on year increase in profits and I'm able to continue doing this job FT.

I see people say, "There'll only be hobbyists and part timers left". I don't buy that at all. In fact, I think it'll be that group that will bail out first. It is becoming harder and harder to make money from micro... hobbyists and part timers don't have the time to produce the volume/quality work consistently over the year to make a dent in the market. Yes, they don't need that extra money but, they'll not put up with earning a couple of $'s while using up all their spare time.

SS now reset their earnings each year so the spend more time trying to regain what they've lost... a lot of part times took a good couple of years or more to reach the previous SS max commission level. By mid Jan I'll already be more or less back to my pre Christmas level. It's certainly a PITA but I recover my previous level quite fast.

For hobbyists, what used to be maybe $50-$100 a month is most likely $15-$35 and will require a lot of their free time to achieve it! Possibly even less $. People will get bored of that quite quickly. The problem new starters have is getting from the point of nothing to earning enough to survive. That is certainly a lot harder now than it was back in say 2010 when I started out.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Firn on December 31, 2021, 12:06

How do you justify and find the motivation to even try going forward even without hiring models but just filming or photographing anything in your city?, for 10 cents and now 1 to 7 cents at Alamy it's barely a hobby or small side income for those who are retired.


Even though the qustion wasn't directed at me, I'd still like to throw in my answer. 10 cents or 1-7 cents aren't  motivating me to go forward. But the four-digit number I earn with microstock each month is. If you want to keep being motivated, it's better to pay less attention to earnings of single sales or RPD and look at the money you earn within a month.  Because these 0.10$ sales are very dicouraging for sure. I have images that I put lots of work in or had costs for props that so far haven't managed to earn me back the time and money spent. Maybe they never will. That's frustrating, but I try not to dwell on that too much, because I also had images that cost me literally nothing, didn't take much more than 5 minutes to shoot/edit/keyword and earned me like 100$ within a year and 100$ for 5 minutes of work doesn't seem so bad? And in the end, at least for me, the images that underperform and the images that perform better than expected (and the imags that perform as expected) all even out each other.
Before Alamy introduced the very low sales and before Shutterstock had the commission cut iStock was the only agency that had these very frustrating sales of 0.2$ and quite a lot oif it. At the beginning I would look at my monthly report and it would really frustrate me, because I thought "I'd rather not sell my images at all  than sell them for 2cents!". But somehow, no matter how frustrating the single numbers looked, it all added up to a nice sum in the end.

Of course even the overall earnings each month probably aren't much of a motivation if they are very low. But it is still possible to make decent money with microstock and still possible to increase your earnings.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Firn on December 31, 2021, 12:13


But here's a question: How many images have you uploaded to shutterstock this year?

I think I see where you are going with that Wilm, and if I'm right it highlights what to me is probably the most profound change in microstock over the years. A trend which I'm afraid will continue well past 2022.

Earnings growth at one time much was more in line with portfolio growth. It was never a direct correlation obviously, but it was as I say, more predictable. I remember when feeding the beast used to be the mantra, and for a while it seemed to work. Now not so much.


If I take my numbers it's like this:
I have 8900 images in my port right now. I added around 2500 in 2021. That's an 28%increase. But my earnings increased by 107% on Shutterstock from 2020 to 2021.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: DavidK on December 31, 2021, 13:12
Firn that is very good. Even with all the focus, determination and motivation in the world I would never be able to produce 2500 images in a year. On jobs I safely factor for 4 or 5 unique deliverables per day, and that's if all goes well! Probably why I've never gotten more than my feet wet when it comes to this side of it. Just not worth it to me.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 31, 2021, 13:13

How do you justify and find the motivation to even try going forward even without hiring models but just filming or photographing anything in your city?, for 10 cents and now 1 to 7 cents at Alamy it's barely a hobby or small side income for those who are retired.


Even though the qustion wasn't directed at me, I'd still like to throw in my answer. 10 cents or 1-7 cents aren't  motivating me to go forward. But the four-digit number I earn with microstock each month is. If you want to keep being motivated, it's better to pay less attention to earnings of single sales or RPD and look at the money you earn within a month.  Because these 0.10$ sales are very dicouraging for sure. I have images that I put lots of work in or had costs for props that so far haven't managed to earn me back the time and money spent. Maybe they never will. That's frustrating, but I try not to dwell on that too much, because I also had images that cost me literally nothing, didn't take much more than 5 minutes to shoot/edit/keyword and earned me like 100$ within a year and 100$ for 5 minutes of work doesn't seem so bad? And in the end, at least for me, the images that underperform and the images that perform better than expected (and the imags that perform as expected) all even out each other.
Before Alamy introduced the very low sales and before Shutterstock had the commission cut iStock was the only agency that had these very frustrating sales of 0.2$ and quite a lot oif it. At the beginning I would look at my monthly report and it would really frustrate me, because I thought "I'd rather not sell my images at all  than sell them for 2cents!". But somehow, no matter how frustrating the single numbers looked, it all added up to a nice sum in the end.

Of course even the overall earnings each month probably aren't much of a motivation if they are very low. But it is still possible to make decent money with microstock and still possible to increase your earnings.

Thanks for that, good point but it would be nice if a few of those higher priced sales would still be coming my way.

And yea maybe a lot of the part timers or hobbyists are or will be former full timers, I'm leaving my content up on Pond5 and SSTK, never know, a good sale or two may happen.

Still full time and four digits a month?, nice!, I remember those days pre 2019 but now I'd need to be back to being an absolute powerhouse producer, back to the 18 hour days but it gets expensive to travel around even locally when the odds of breaking even are so low.

I've been learning day, swing and options trading, much harder than I thought but just today this NTRB stock went up 200% this morning. https://finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&s=ta_topgainers  Had I seen that one coming and gotten in at $2.00 I'd have made more than in stock video this entire fall.

Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Wilm on December 31, 2021, 13:14


But here's a question: How many images have you uploaded to shutterstock this year?

I think I see where you are going with that Wilm, and if I'm right it highlights what to me is probably the most profound change in microstock over the years. A trend which I'm afraid will continue well past 2022.

Earnings growth at one time much was more in line with portfolio growth. It was never a direct correlation obviously, but it was as I say, more predictable. I remember when feeding the beast used to be the mantra, and for a while it seemed to work. Now not so much.


If I take my numbers it's like this:
I have 8900 images in my port right now. I added around 2500 in 2021. That's an 28%increase. But my earnings increased by 107% on Shutterstock from 2020 to 2021.

Then you were very hardworking and have earned the gain also honestly!

And in your case you have been adequately rewarded for your work - at least at shutterstock.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: cascoly on December 31, 2021, 15:25
Lower and lower rates because we do nothing about it, people still contribute regardless so the agencies do whatever they want.

despite actual evidence posted here that RPD haven't declined!!  where your evidence (rather than continuous whinging & blaming the agencies for everything)
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: cascoly on December 31, 2021, 15:35


See Wilm, I have always had a bit different approach to this than most people here seem to have. I don't care much about download numbers or RPD. It's a number you use to determine the worth an agency attaches to your photos, but it doesn't really translate well for me in regards of the time/costs - earnings relation and it doesn't pay my bills. ....

What I care about is how much money I get for my work at the end of the month. ....


agree completely that actual income is the prime determinant. RPD is useful when combined with income, but esp'ly helpful in dispelling all the hand-wringing about how 10c sales are killing us
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: cascoly on December 31, 2021, 15:57

Around 2500 images, I think. I don't know the exact number, I don't think there is a way to ckeck on Shutterstock?
But so far I pretty much submitted a very similar amount of photos each month. I like sticking to fixed schedules.

i keep track of images accepted each month, so it's simple subtract today's from Dec 2020

i had about 1500 accepted this year (i dont track total submitted as it's not useful info for me)
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: cascoly on December 31, 2021, 15:57

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 How do you justify and find the motivation to even try going forward even without hiring models but just filming or photographing anything in your city?, for 10 cents and now 1 to 7 cents at Alamy it's barely a hobby or small side income for those who are retired.
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there you go again, pushing the 10c red herring when so many here have shown that RPD hasn't been affected by the new levels. and  income across all agencies seems to show same year to year reductions that are more likely to be due to outside events like covid, recession, etc. which directly affect the main byers of stock
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on December 31, 2021, 16:11
Lower and lower rates because we do nothing about it, people still contribute regardless so the agencies do whatever they want.

This was a big issue when SSTK cut the rates to 10 cents for photos and cut the video rates by a worse percentage but when we live in a world in which people give their work away for free for "likes" or "dopamine" on social media and to the free sites like Pexels for "exposure" I think we lost the battle and there's some really good free stuff out there.

It's probably new contributors, students and recent grads who believe working for a few pennies or for exposure will lead to a good paying staff job.

So why do people still contribute?, I think it's a lack of other opportunities and places to sell the product, if there was another way to make a living at this I think everyone would leave and go to that platform overnight but there isn't one yet.




Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Firn on December 31, 2021, 17:26

Around 2500 images, I think. I don't know the exact number, I don't think there is a way to ckeck on Shutterstock?
But so far I pretty much submitted a very similar amount of photos each month. I like sticking to fixed schedules.


i had about 1500 accepted this year (i dont track total submitted as it's not useful info for me)

"Submitted" pretty much means "accepted" to me. I rarely get images rejected on SS.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Steveball on January 01, 2022, 07:49
Lower and lower rates because we do nothing about it, people still contribute regardless so the agencies do whatever they want.

despite actual evidence posted here that RPD haven't declined!!  where your evidence (rather than continuous whinging & blaming the agencies for everything)

In the last 12 months 80% down in earnings and RPD down, continuous whinging about the same.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on January 01, 2022, 19:41
Lower and lower rates because we do nothing about it, people still contribute regardless so the agencies do whatever they want.

despite actual evidence posted here that RPD haven't declined!!  where your evidence (rather than continuous whinging & blaming the agencies for everything)

In the last 12 months 80% down in earnings and RPD down, continuous whinging about the same.

I'm down more that 80%, I really feel stupid about staying in the game past September 1 and continuing to produce and upload but it was the fall selling season but this year literally one sale happened on Pond5, one editorial video sale vs 3-5 a day.

But you can't predict this stuff because in the past there have been short term slumps, certain content not in demand at times including mine etc so you wait and think next week will be better and this time it stayed dead, dead since May 2021, then came September and the fall season and no bounce.


Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Brasilnut on January 02, 2022, 07:00
Average RPD in free-fall is my prediction for the next few years... (up to 2021 are my actuals).

With yearly inflation in Europe / North America projected at 5-7% for the foreseeable future, the fall in our earnings will be even steeper.
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on January 02, 2022, 12:59
Average RPD in free-fall is my prediction for the next few years... (up to 2021 are my actuals).

With yearly inflation in Europe / North America projected at 5-7% for the foreseeable future, the fall in our earnings will be even steeper.

Thinking that the recession/covid has accelerated the end of this business as a way to make a living, these agencies are all startups who owe millions on VC investors usually at 30% terms, or in the case of SSTK they have shareholders, they all have massive overhead, office space, staff, data storage and transfer costs and now the economy in the worst shape since the depression.

Now the agencies are being squeezed and they are ramping up their deals with god knows who and we're getting pennies, one only has to look at the Alamy 7 cents thread, it's a deal with some company in China.

So business is down, advertising is down worldwide since covid hit and now the recession and that affects editorial producers like me as the media and production companies have lost most of their advertising and also affects demand for commercial content but the agencies still have their obligations to investors and shareholders so I guess we are the first to get squeezed out, then maybe they will start downsizing their massive office footprint, might be some mergers etc.

There is still millions being made in stock otherwise the agencies would be all closing, they are still making a ton of money on these wholesale content deals but maybe less millions than before.

The worst part is they couldn't run a lemonade stand on a hot summer day and make a profit with their obsession to race to the bottom and "free free free" which has me thinking they want to report a loss for tax purposes.

Some of the agencies are fronting the free sites......there's money in free and my best guess is it comes in the form of a tax write off or even tax credits.

In the physical world here even the second hand stores don't give product away for free.






Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: cascoly on January 02, 2022, 14:21
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In the physical world here even the second hand stores don't give product away for free.

sure they do - give away razors & profit from razor blades, give away printers & sell ink, give away iphones & sell mobile services not to mention businesses w (almost) free services who make money from ads 
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: Level6 on January 02, 2022, 14:36
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In the physical world here even the second hand stores don't give product away for free.

sure they do - give away razors & profit from razor blades, give away printers & sell ink, give away iphones & sell mobile services not to mention businesses w (almost) free services who make money from ads

I guess there are those like you mentioned but I think the manufacturers are still being paid for the razors, printers and phones, the retailers are giving them away below cost but making up the loss and adding profit from the services for those devices.  here....our content goes to those distribution agencies and we don't have any say in what we get for it, even at a respectable agency like Pond5, you can set you own price but they will reduce it and give your work away for below cost at times.



Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: TonyD on February 23, 2022, 14:47
Microstock will just get worse over the short term, commission rates will continue to be cut, maybe even stopped or put ‘on hold’ as many of the sites will call it.

Shutterstock have shown the way on this with their January restart every year, I believe the overall outlook is very grim.

On the upside, in the long run, I believe that many countries, probably starting in Europe will look to bring in legislation to fairly compensate contributors, perhaps with a law that makes these companies responsible to all stake holders on a equal basis, when a company is sold, takes on debt, commission rates or terms and condition changes, basically all contributors having a equal vote at the shareholders annual meeting.

Perhaps they will bring in laws that state contributors/creatives are the ones who decide how much their work is charged out at, along with the commission rates.

As for the sites manipulating the search engines to favour the highest return for their ‘shareholders’ this will also be outlawed.

As in the music industry, new technology has been used to scam artists in our sector of the creative arts, initially drawing in the talent and then after suckering them in, ripping them off.

The law and basic human rites are always slow to catch up with the 19th century mill owners, but it will come.

Or perhaps the advent of new technology will supersede microstock as we know it, like a search engine that seeks out individual websites of artist, photographers as a listing site, creating a market of independent online shops, which to a certain degree has been happening, maybe this will supersede microstock sites as we know them.

The other point I would make is, companies like Adobe have a vested interest in higher commission rates for us, as we buy their software, lets hope they hold their nerve, as many contributors (myself included) will only be uploading fresh content to them alone, ignoring SS/Getty and the other low hanging fruit, maybe 2022 could be a breakthrough year for Adobe.

I would suggest that if Adobe offered an exclusive contract, this could be a knock out blow for the likes of Getty and Shutterstock.

Personally, and I'm sure most people would like to see this, is Getty going bust and then wound down, with all the constituent parts sold off individually.

I also believe that there should be legislation on separating historic or commisioned photographs, art/illustation libraries from individual contributors portfolios on Microstock sites, companies should only be allowed to sell one or the other, or they should have the two types of content on totally separate sites.

Overall the outlook in the long term is better than in the short term.
Agree completely. Some of us actualy trained in this industry (or a related one) I trained in Graphic design back in the 1980s before everything went digital but when the internet got popular in the 2000s it became too difficult to earn a living at with websites like Fiver etc. I had to do another job but the horrible & rich new owners of the firm I worked for replaced my job & others with a machine. I then started photographing & selling things on Ebay, Amazon etc. but even that's declined in the last few years. It's much worse for me than most others because I have nystagmus in my eyes (limited eyesight) which naturaly limits the kind of work that I can do. (can't be a truck driver or plummer for instanse)
I could never have known back in the 80s that the internet was gonna be invented let alone how these websites would exploit others work. else I'd never have done art & photography..
Title: Re: 2022 Predictions for the Microstock Business
Post by: csm on February 23, 2022, 18:15
Average RPD in free-fall is my prediction for the next few years... (up to 2021 are my actuals).

With yearly inflation in Europe / North America projected at 5-7% for the foreseeable future, the fall in our earnings will be even steeper.

Thinking that the recession/covid has accelerated the end of this business as a way to make a living, these agencies are all startups who owe millions on VC investors usually at 30% terms, or in the case of SSTK they have shareholders, they all have massive overhead, office space, staff, data storage and transfer costs and now the economy in the worst shape since the depression.

Now the agencies are being squeezed and they are ramping up their deals with god knows who and we're getting pennies, one only has to look at the Alamy 7 cents thread, it's a deal with some company in China.

So business is down, advertising is down worldwide since covid hit and now the recession and that affects editorial producers like me as the media and production companies have lost most of their advertising and also affects demand for commercial content but the agencies still have their obligations to investors and shareholders so I guess we are the first to get squeezed out, then maybe they will start downsizing their massive office footprint, might be some mergers etc.

There is still millions being made in stock otherwise the agencies would be all closing, they are still making a ton of money on these wholesale content deals but maybe less millions than before.

The worst part is they couldn't run a lemonade stand on a hot summer day and make a profit with their obsession to race to the bottom and "free free free" which has me thinking they want to report a loss for tax purposes.

Some of the agencies are fronting the free sites......there's money in free and my best guess is it comes in the form of a tax write off or even tax credits.

In the physical world here even the second hand stores don't give product away for free.

Good points.
I left stills to concentrate on footage 5 years ago for the higher prices and now footage is going the same way.
30 footage sales = $30, that is not what I had in mind.
How come I'm selling more content that I ever did in the good ole days but can't afford to do it anymore?
I can't believe how it has come to this, from a time when everything was Rights Manages / Royalty Free.
I'm think it doesn't help that, an image technically, doesn't exist anywhere, and like music, the value has dropped. Free? When was the last time you went into a shop and they were giving away free clothes as soon as you enter?
Free, it's still cost me something to produce it.
Rail fares go up every year, how come, it must be pictures and music that have tumbled, everything else seems to go up every year like clockwork.

Best thing everyone could do is to stop supplying, for 6 months, see what happens.
It does seem like a combination of covid and the agencies combined have finished this industry as a way to make a living.
I do wonder about pricing of images, did clients keep asking for cheaper images or did the agencies just decide lets just sell them for as cheap as possible? Because now it is simply unsustainable.
Sad really.