Author Topic: Adequate keywords? (Read 3337 times)

madelaide · « **on:** November 18, 2008, 19:35 »

I always try to search for my own images to see if they are easily found, and when looking for "2009 candle" I found a series of fireworks images. It doesn't seem to me that "candle" applies to fireworks, but as English is not my first language I wonder if this is correct.

"2009" doesn't apply to them either, but this is another thing.

Regards,
Adelaide

bittersweet · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2008, 19:39 »

Not really. A "Roman candle" is a specific type of firework, but it is still not actually a candle. I'm assuming that they are putting 2009 because people shoot fireworks on New Year's eve.

I think they are both a big stretch.

stormchaser · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2008, 01:08 »

Plus the Roman candles sold here in the US are kind of wussy. Usually the kind of stuff that is shot off in the backyard. These bursts more powerful and are likely from standard round commercial shells.

And Celebration/Holiday appropriate but 2009 is not.

You would not be out of line in reporting the images if it is your wish to do so.

basti · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2008, 02:47 »

ROFL! Report bad keywords? Open your eyes guys, every second image on SS has obvious keyword spam! Editors have enough time to check images at 200% for just a little amount of "noise" but they obviously have no time to check keywords...

takestock · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:02 »

It looks like the 2009 is wat is bringing up the results

tdoes · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2008, 08:04 »

Another thing to consider is since some agencies search engines don't recognize keyword phrases that alot of people, myself included, break up keyword phrases as single words and have the keywords saved in the images IPTC setup. Hence 2009 was probably part of a keyword phrase like "New Years Eve Fireworks 2009". That's my theory!

stormchaser · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2008, 08:46 »

I guess the images would be no good for 2010 then

madelaide · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2008, 09:17 »

Both "2009" and "candle" were in the keywords.

Try a search for them (this specific search was in StockXpert). Try also "new year 2009" and you will find many images that are not specifically "new year" nor "2009".

Inspectors can do their part, but as long as we are able to edit keywords after inspection, we can't blame them for that. And the 2009 will be edited to 2010 next year.

Regards,
Adelaide

grp_photo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2008, 09:36 »

Quote from: madelaide on November 19, 2008, 09:17

And the 2009 will be edited to 2010 next year.

just edit to 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 ...... etc. saves you some editing work in the future

keyword -spamming/ -stretching will remain a problem with the micros funny thing about this is that the results at IS are not better than SS,StockXpert etc despite their rigid policy so its obvious that there will be no easy solution.

basti · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2008, 09:59 »

Well, we can blame them. With dozens of very disputable rejections Im not very open to any excuses - some editors obviously have no real photography or legal background. Keyword spam hurts both agency and non-keyword-spammers. In my opinion its no.1 problem - if pics after editing keywords go again to reviewer and they pass, something is very bad. However I personally know some ppl using at least pretty disputable keywords and do not have any trouble even with direct uploading. The problem is that except IS agencies really dont care. On the other hand IS with their crappy dictionary lacking even some common words and rejecting local names from keywords is another extreme.

Just search for any word at SS, DT and then Panthermedia or Photographersdirect - you see the difference immediately. In picture quality also. In case Im buyer I do care more about picture quality rather then saving few $$ and browsing tons of crap and spam. Hour of my work is $25, its more painful to spent hour with searching thru crap then paying $10 instead of $1.

shank_ali · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2008, 17:26 »

I posted a new topic once in the suggestion part of the istock forum.....
I thought a seperate keyword section would help all contributors.A fortnight later, hey presto istockphoto has a new keyword section.
I wiki files regular on istockphoto as some contributors just spam the crap out of the CV and the poor admins just make excuses...English aint their first language,they don't understand how the cv works.Pathetic excuses if you ask me.Delete the files and if they persist just boot them off istockphoto.

madelaide · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2008, 17:33 »

I would like to point out that I did not mean to discuss spamming, I only wanted to understand if the contributor who uploaded those images was correct - as I said, English is not my first language and so there could be a valid sense in "candle" in the context of those images that I wasn't aware of - and that I could also use in mine, if it was correct.

"2009" was spamming, of course, and I would not add it to my own fireworks images. That's why I asked specifically about "candle", and I got my answer.

Regards,
Adelaide

hali · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2008, 19:26 »

i would say 2009 ,candle, firework, burst, roman, would be appropriate. but what if you take roman out of context ? i don't see no roman

but if the fireworks is in the form to spell out 2 0 0 9 , then i would say it's not spamming. but i remember looking at some fireworks when i was new to learn keywording, and i find other spamming words too, such as blast , explosion , bang, spray, umbrella,...
it's really a bit confusing too. as some sites encourage you to "add as many keywords as possible so your images will be found in the search".
and other sites now prefer you to choose 1-8 keywords.

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