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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: rushay on September 27, 2023, 11:22
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Anyone else received the missions to upload content for dataset submissions between 500-1000 image per submission?
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on email or on dashboard?
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Dashboard, but I believe it's only for selected contributors.
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https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/missions-for-adobe-stock-images-for-ai-training/ (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/missions-for-adobe-stock-images-for-ai-training/)
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Yeah, also got it.
They started with it already a month ago, here is the original thread: https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/missions-for-adobe-stock-images-for-ai-training/ (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/missions-for-adobe-stock-images-for-ai-training/)
Looks like they did not get as many images as they hoped for and opened the missions to more people now. Seeing as the deadline is October 6th that's not a lot of time left to create 500-1000 different images of the same topic for the people who were invited just now. And at 0.06-0.16$ per image it hardly seems worth the effort.
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oops only saw it now.
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Oct 6 is too short notice to get 1000 images done.
But if you have 8 weeks...then you can do 2-3 themed shoots a week, upload 50-100 files a week and gradually build up your 500-1000 files.
If you do a normal stock shooting, you have regular material for your uploads and just get something extra on top.
So if you add it to your regular workflow it is easy enough to do.
However if they lowered it to 300-600 files, they would probably get more people diving into it.
They want regular quality content, not mobile phone snapshots from daily life. It needs setup and planning.
If there is more time, I will try to do it. In fact one of themes is exactly what I love to do anyway. Unfortunately I cannot change my current plans right now.
Maybe if they extend the deadlines, I will try something.
Grateful for the invite. Money is money. But right now the time is too short.
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I got invited too. So I get 80 bucks for 500 pictures of me eating food and im not guarantee they select it? :D Lol The food will cost me more. Unless I eat potatoes and carrots
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It only makes sense if you are doing it anyway as part of daily shootings, then gradually collect and upload.
The food request can easily be combined with any of the food videos I do every week. So that would be an easy one.
But not in 10 days and not 500-1000 different images.
Otherwise the pricing is based on life in countries with much lower costs and wages. There it might actually be worth preparing shootings just for the money.
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"This Mission will be open for submissions until at least October 6, 2023.Availability might be extended until we’ve sourced sufficient content".
so yes,too little time,in my opinion too,20 days at least,especially for food,in order to diversify.
Anyway these missions are interesting,maybe I'll complete some of them.
"Images for this mission do not require metadata or post-processing".
this saves time.
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A month, absolute minimum. They want visually different images, that needs a wider set up.
And the money they pay is not an incentive in Germany, so you are not going to drop everything you have planned and just do this.
I other countries where this kind of money can be half a salary, that is different of course.
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A month, absolute minimum. They want visually different images, that needs a wider set up.
And the money they pay is not an incentive in Germany, so you are not going to drop everything you have planned and just do this.
I other countries where this kind of money can be half a salary, that is different of course.
Yes,even in Italy it is little money,but the thing that can be convenient is that you then find yourself with a series of shots ready to process and send for your portfolio.
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I am also happy to do something for ai training as a voluntary support to improve firefly.
I hope that in time firefly becomes my best ai engine and that Adobe finds a way to make working with it very affordable for adobe producers.
So improving what might become my favorite machine with professionally sourced training content, yes, I would like to help.
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I received invitation too. Start to test some random shots this evening with my family... and it's absolutely not possible to collect 500/1000 snapshot in few days, too much time, too much work for so low (and not sure) payment.
Even without post production and keywording the time to shoot/import/collect in set/describe and ordered upload... not worth it.
Even if I should had a lot of images already done for their missions the time I have to spent to search images in my HD, re-export, collect and organizie and upload, is too much. No thanks
Sorry Adobe, I think you're the best agency, but this time you're asking too much and paying the job really too low
Thanks anyway
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"You may submit up to five separate sets of 500–1000 pictures by restarting the Mission after submitting the previous set".
After this quote,I have two questions:
1-Can I upload a set of 500x5 times and get 5X money?(if so,things get interesting)
2-What is the difference between uploading 500 or 1000 images? What is the advantage of uploading 1000 in one set?
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however things will go....tomorrow I will buy some bananas...lots of bananas! :D
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"You may submit up to five separate sets of 500–1000 pictures by restarting the Mission after submitting the previous set".
After this quote,I have two questions:
1-Can I upload a set of 500x5 times and get 5X money?(if so,things get interesting)
2-What is the difference between uploading 500 or 1000 images? What is the advantage of uploading 1000 in one set?
Thanks for the feedback everyone. To answer your questions @Injustice....
1. Yes, you can submit 5 Missions. If they are all approved, you would receive 5 payments.
2. I can see no advantage to submitting 1,000 images in on Mission. It makes more sense to me to submit two separate Missions with 500 images each and receive two payments.
Regarding the comments such as what @Derby said "it's absolutely not possible to collect 500/1000 snapshots in a few days". Respectfully, I disagree. It's important you don't confuse these photos with traditional stock photos. A big difference is that we encourage similar images. You can shoot up to 50 frames of the same setup by changing the general composition, focal point, etc. You can shoot these in JPG and upload them as-is straight out of camera. Obviously, you want them to look good, but you do not need to spend time doing RAW conversions or postprocessing. In addition, no keywords are required.
In my workflow, postprocessing and indexing take more time than actual photography. I think you would be surprised what you can accomplish in a relatively short period of time.
Keep the feedback coming!
-Mat Hayward
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What a misery, taking and uploading 500 photos, with 5 models or situations for 80 dollars... and on top of that, then they have to select it... and if they don't select it, it has no sale whatsoever. We will eat the photos of mouths eating.
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Regarding the comments such as what @Derby said "it's absolutely not possible to collect 500/1000 snapshots in a few days". Respectfully, I disagree. It's important you don't confuse these photos with traditional stock photos. A big difference is that we encourage similar images. You can shoot up to 50 frames of the same setup by changing the general composition, focal point, etc. You can shoot these in JPG and upload them as-is straight out of camera. Obviously, you want them to look good, but you do not need to spend time doing RAW conversions or postprocessing. In addition, no keywords are required.
Thanks Mat for your comment, I still think that the work is too much for low payment. By the way, your words let me think that I'll probably give it a try again, reducing time for shoot.
I have a question about previously taken images: is it ok to send also images already for sale in Adobe stock portfolio? Or images have to be completely new?
In missions brief I can read that AI generated images are not accepted, but what about images already for sale?
Thanks
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So maybe I misunderstood, I can do 50 similar images from one set?
I place a bunch of bananas on my kitchen table then walk around it, taking different angles etc, maybe adding a few things, then moving them again?
That would simplify everything of course.
Ok, maybe I will buy me some bananas and see what I can do on the week-end.
The examples shown don't look similar at all. They look like a regular stock shoot.
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Do the bananas have to remain in their position the entire time or can I change the bowl, the number of bananas etc...
Or does changing the object in position or numbers mean it is a new shoot?
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personally i find the hands with food more interesting because I do videos of that regularly. But I am not sure I can get the volume done in time.
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thanks Mat,things get interesting,I'll get some bananas right away! :D
ok,from what I understand you can take some bananas,put them on a table,even use the same angle for a few shots by changing the focus point,then a few more shots with different distances,close-up,macro...then different angles....up to 50,then you change scenario/mode.all this 10 times.....things get very interesting! :D
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"Pagheremo 60 USD per ogni set accettato per questa Missione".
I think there is a transcription error from English to Italian,for the mission of the hands touching the food,it should be 80 USD but in Italian it is written 60 USD.
"Questa Missione sarà aperta per gli invii almeno fino al 6 settembre 2023.La disponibilità potrebbe essere estesa finché non avremo ricevuto contenuti sufficienti"
the date is also wrong,September 6,2023 is gone! :D
I take this opportunity to point out the always perfect translations from English to Italian,always perfect on all Adobe products and in the help sections.grazie! :D
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Guess I will comment.
Now for clarification - I am basing my comments on what people have said here If I am mistaken in my understanding of the situation, please do clarify.
That being said - with my current understanding of what is being offered - $30-$80 for a set of 500 images (if indeed that is what the amount is, someone said $0.06-$0.16/image?) is a pittance on several levels...
a) Unless you are looking for garbage shots (i.e., 500 figures of a foot with toenails just on auto-take) it's a waste of time for any professinal photographer to take those kinds of shots. Yes - you will probably find people in say india/ukraine/etc where $3 usd/hr is a great wage... or someone who is hungry and $50 makes a big deal of whether or not they can pay rent that month... but it is still a pittance...
b) Since the images are essentially being used to try and put that person OUT of business (via an "ai" tool to try and eliminate real images even more)... even more of a pittance...
c) People "may" or "may not" be compensated for their work? So it could be a complete waste of time?
c) 3600 seconds in an hour. 3600/500 = 7.2 seconds per image. No post processing/keywording/etc - not sure if that is expected. But just taking 500 images period - unless you are looking for garbage shots - not a lot of time to take good shots.
More likely - to take 500 (good) shots - is about 5-8 hours at least... so effective rate is $10/hour (minimum wage is higher in most countries), and then on top of that no guarantee it would even be used? (Kind of like showing up to work and the boss says 'eh, if I FEEL like it I'll pay you after - but do the work first and we'll see')... a very crappy (and a bit insulting) of an offer.
Anyways - is my understanding of what is/was being offered accurate? If so - then feedback wise, no professional photographer that values their work would go for this.
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I'm agree on not all but most part of what you say, by the way after Mat comments I think that yes, they need also garbage shots, the only important thing is to clearly see the requested subject, nothing else. No lighting setup, no denoising, nothing.
c) People "may" or "may not" be compensated for their work? So it could be a complete waste of time?
Well, but this is true for any image you send to microstock agencies
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Now for clarification - I am basing my comments on what people have said here If I am mistaken in my understanding of the situation, please do clarify.
That being said - with my current understanding of what is being offered - $30-$80 for a set of 500 images (if indeed that is what the amount is, someone said $0.06-$0.16/image?) is a pittance on several levels...
The exact numbers are 60-80$ (depending on the mission) for 500-1000 images. Thus $0.06-$0.16/image.
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ok I bought 14 bananas! :D
I have already taken 240 shots for the moment,then I have to see how many I select,because I have to check what they look like before converting the raw to jpeg,above all I have to check that they are all perfectly in focus,otherwise I don't have to do anything else.
I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?
Now I'm going,I have to be able to at least take 600 shots for today,yes because I don't think I'll send just 500 per set,but 550 at least,in order to be sure in case of any rejection,given that the minimum required is 500.
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I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?
The brief didn't say "real environment", but "real life situations".
I am not sure a banana on a rope hanging against the sky is what I would consider a "real life situation"?
At least for me bananas hanging from the sky is not a situation I usually come across in real life. About outdoors I would say something like a banana on a picknic blanket might count as "real life situation", but I can't think of many other situations where I might be finding bananas outdoors.
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I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?
The brief didn't say "real environment", but "real life situations".
I am not sure a banana on a rope hanging against the sky is what I would consider a "real life situation"?
At least for me bananas hanging from the sky is not a situation I usually come across in real life. About outdoors I would say something like a banana on a picknic blanket might count as "real life situation", but I can't think of many other situations where I might be finding bananas outdoors.
I'm thinking of discarded banana peels on the sidewalk - I wonder if that's what they mean? ;)
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I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?
The brief didn't say "real environment", but "real life situations".
I am not sure a banana on a rope hanging against the sky is what I would consider a "real life situation"?
At least for me bananas hanging from the sky is not a situation I usually come across in real life. About outdoors I would say something like a banana on a picknic blanket might count as "real life situation", but I can't think of many other situations where I might be finding bananas outdoors.
why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall? :D
a picnic blanket yes ok,but I think also a simple basket with bananas in a meadow for example.
Anyway I think I'll shoot the first 1000 in raw,then I'll move directly to raw+jpeg because otherwise it takes too much,I still want to keep some raw if I can,since I'm there.
if I manage to complete the mission 5 times it's 300 usd for a week of work,and in addition I find myself with almost 3000 photos of bananas to select and process for my portfolio,I think it's time well spent!
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why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall? :D
No.
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Even if I should had a lot of images already done for their missions the time I have to spent to search images in my HD, re-export, collect and organizie and upload, is too much. ...
doesn't apply to this instance where no captioning is required, so easier to sh oot than gather individual older images --. i keep a spreadsheet with date, captions & meta data. So i can search my entire inventory with 1 search across the entire worksheet, getting a list of the images i need in a few seconds
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why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall? :D
No.
yes,also hang them in the sun to dry them,whole or cut into rounds,or hung in the cool outdoors to preserve them.
I wonder if bananas wrapped in clear plastic are okay,but i think yes.
from my point of view,every real environment can be a banana in "real life situation"
you can also find a rotten banana on the road or in a field,that is also "real life situation"
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why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall? :D
No.
yes,also hang them in the sun to dry them,whole or cut into rounds,or hung in the cool outdoors to preserve them.
I wonder if bananas wrapped in clear plastic are okay,but i think yes.
from my point of view,every real environment can be a banana in "real life situation"
you can also find a rotten banana on the road or in a field,that is also "real life situation"
I think you r doing too much work! In the end, the only thing that Ai needs is to understand what is a banana ;D
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I'm agree on not all but most part of what you say, by the way after Mat comments I think that yes, they need also garbage shots, the only important thing is to clearly see the requested subject, nothing else. No lighting setup, no denoising, nothing.
c) People "may" or "may not" be compensated for their work? So it could be a complete waste of time?
Well, but this is true for any image you send to microstock agencies
Because this is being done on spec - it is basically an insult to expect people to do a SET of 500-1000 images "for free" with the "hope" of getting paid... again, I guess they are basing this model on the 99designs thing (where ppl work for free hoping to get paid) - so I guess you get what you pay for - probably a lot of crap, and might get lucky with some good stuff, but overall, most garbage...
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:D It doesn't take long,once the situation is organised,everything goes smoothly.
I have already created several folders with various names,banana like this...banana there...so i can see how many of that kind miss for create a complete set.
and now I just have to make all jpegs with manual focus,so I don't even have to review them,all shots,division by category and sending,nothing else.
easy and fun,and they also pay me 300 USD
Have you ever worked 14 hours a day with only one day off a week?
That was real work,and they paid me 500 euros a week,but it was 14 hours a day for a whole year!
so 300 usd to take 3000 photos of bananas seems fair to me! :D
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how you will get 300 usd for bananas? don't they pay only 60dollars for bananas mission?
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easy and fun,and they also pay me 300 USD
I sincerely wish you success, but you don't have the money in your pocket yet.
Bananas determine everyday life in countries where they grow and are cultivated.
If our photographer friends there now really step on the gas, it should be difficult to get against it ;)
But again, good luck with your experiment. I am curious about the result. :)
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how you will get 300 usd for bananas? don't they pay only 60dollars for bananas mission?
you can restart the mission up to 5 times 60x5=300 if all your set are approved,for this reason I would like to be able to send 3000 instead of 2500 just to be sure.
@RalfLiebhold thanks,but I'm not sure I understand,it's not about going against anyone,it's simply about uploading at least 2500 images,minimum 500 for each set and maximum 1000,which can be repeated 5 times,once the mission is completed you get paid,you don't have to compete with anyone.
in the end it's simply a matter of taking photos of some bananas! :D
Working comfortably from home,in fact I also find time to write here while I'm working,nothing tiring,it just takes time.
in any case, thank you very much for your good wishes! :)
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Why do I see 60$ for the first two "missions" - eating food and hands with food, and only 40$ for the bananas and flags "missions" ?
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Why do I see 60$ for the first two "missions" - eating food and hands with food, and only 40$ for the bananas and flags "missions" ?
I also noticed a transcription error in the Italian language,for the mission of hands with food which is 80,but in Italian it is translated 60.
okay,maybe it's better if Mat,if possible,confirms what the exact amounts are for the missions.
However,I want to add that 60 for each single mission for bananas is fair,but in my opinion 80 for "close up of mouth eating food" is low,because it involves a whole series of other things in addition.
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500 photos for only $80? Are you kidding me? lol
"MISSION: CLOSE UP OF MOUTH EATING FOOD $80
Submit pictures of close ups of mouths of non recognizable people eating food.
Images for this mission do not require metadata or post-processing.
Volume: 500 to 1000 assets per submission."
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ok,if Mat doesn't answer,I guess,the type of mission and the rewards depend on the country you live in,but maybe i'm wrong.
I'm going now,bananas are waiting for me! :D
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Why do I see 60$ for the first two "missions" - eating food and hands with food, and only 40$ for the bananas and flags "missions" ?
I also noticed a transcription error in the Italian language,for the mission of hands with food which is 80,but in Italian it is translated 60.
okay,maybe it's better if Mat,if possible,confirms what the exact amounts are for the missions.
However,I want to add that 60 for each single mission for bananas is fair,but in my opinion 80 for "close up of mouth eating food" is low,because it involves a whole series of other things in addition.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. We are interested in learning more about what you like/don't like about the Missions so please keep your comments coming.
You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top. Please note, this is a limited release, so not everyone will see the Missions tab at this time.
Thank you,
Mat Hayward
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. We are interested in learning more about what you like/don't like about the Missions so please keep your comments coming.
I don't like the very short time frame we got for this - The people who were originally invited got over a month, but we got barely a little bit over a week. The pay isn't good enough to drop everything else that I am doing right now and prioritize these missions. But if I had a full month time, it might have been something I could have done "on the side", do a few photos here and there, especially with the food missions I could have taken photos of my family actually really preparing food through the course of a month. Just have them do what they do anyways and take photos while they are at it.
But now, with what little time is left, I would have to go out of my way, buy food and stage them preparing food to get the photos done in time. And for me that's too much hassle for the small payment.
Another thing keeping me from really taking part in these missions is the "we might get paid or maybe not factor" - and it is a very unknown one to me. By what criteria will Adobe accept photos? What will make them not accept them? Will it just be technical criteria like focus or noise, or are there other factors like "we got more photos than we needed" or "we don't like that the banana is green" that might lead to me not getting paid?
If I do 10 series á 50 photos each and they accept 9 series, but not the 10th, will I not get paid at all? Will the accepted photos still be used, without paying me?
If I had a better understanding of what would keep Adobe from accepting images and what might lead to me wasting a lot of time and not get a single cent for it this would not feel so much like a gamble to me. If I invest the time, I want the money.
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I think the main thing are topics,you can send up to a maximum of 50 pictures per topic,each different surface is a topic.
A banana on your kitchen table for example is a topic,so just take 50 different shots of this banana or more bananas on that table,then an outdoor wooden table is another topic,so again 50 different photos of bananas on this wooden table and you have completed another topic.
complete 10 topics and you have completed the first set,but to be safe in case a topic is rejected,it is better to do 11 or 12 if possible for each set.
and here comes the most difficult part,finding at least and I mean at least 50 different topics,if you want to take all the loot home,that is if you want to complete the mission 5 times.
so a lot depends on whether you have the opportunity to shoot in different places,at a friend's house for example,but also on how much creativity you have available,creativity in thinking about different topics with the little space available.
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second on what is the criteria etc. for if they are accepted. I have no interest in doing a heap of work that could be arbitrarily deemed not worthy and thus no return for me.
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I am not sure about uploading. Maybe I miss something.
I must upload every topic separate? 10 tines with 50 images?
It was not possible upload one folder with ten topic?
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
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I didn't notice that I have been invited until today - they must be really desperate to have invited me :)
That's part snark, but also, I'm not a high-volume supplier.
I did review the details and as Mat was asking for feedback...
Not a prayer.
Even if you just shoot JPEG, it's a hard no to be asked to shoot work most of which has no value to me with no guaranteed pay.
There's not even an offer to do it for free for the exposure :)
Even if I were willing to risk it for inanimate objects, two of the missions require another person plus lots of time to pose, switch foods, settings, holding, etc. Even more time for at least two people and no guaranteed pay.
If any of the missions sounded like (a) good material for my portfolio, and (b) the setup didn't sound like something that's already flooded with genAI images, I might consider doing the work for me with some "extras" for the mission. But I'm not even sure that would be worth it.
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature. Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors. This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature. Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors. This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.
Mat,I'm interested in knowing,if possible,if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?
because if any real environment is considered valid,then is possible create 50/60 different topics.
by real environment I mean any environment where you can find a banana,certainly not on the tiles of the roof of the house...although I had thought about it! :D
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature. Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors. This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.
Mat,I'm interested in knowing if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?
because if any real environment is considered valid,then is possible create 50/60 different topics.
Yes, that should be fine.
Thanks for the question,
Mat
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature. Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors. This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.
Mat,I'm interested in knowing if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?
because if any real environment is considered valid,then is possible create 50/60 different topics.
Yes, that should be fine.
Thanks for the question,
Mat
Thank you very much!
In this case it is possible to complete the mission 5 times. :)
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature. Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors. This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.
so if we all don't contribute they will offer more $.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. We are interested in learning more about what you like/don't like about the Missions so please keep your comments coming.
Hi Mat, so here is mine: after your comment I did a new test.
First point / question:
For what I can see, the mission of shooting a simple group of objects (bananas) is really easy to produce, you can plan sets and take shoots with decent light.
Mission that involve people (eating, handling) is much much more hard to produce. I say "hard" that means that the final result is less good photos in longer time, so it seems really more difficult.
I can produce 50 photos of bananas (one set) in few minutes
But I have to miss my dinner ;D to take same amount of decent images when there is one person involved.
So I think that the earning should be much higher for mission that involve partecipating people.
The second point is that is really not clear the level of image that Adobe is looking for.
is selective focus ok?
is a detail with only partly visible object ok?
Is it okay to send high ISO images with available light?
white balance is not important?
are some blurred motion ok taking slow shutter speed images?
The examples in the mission briefs look too "stock images standard" with good light and pose, so it seems impossible to have high number of images without proper light and set.
In other words, I think that, while the subject you need it's clear, it's not really clear the technical value of images you need, and the brief should be more detailed on what is ok and what is not
Thanks for your answer :)
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature. Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors. This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.
so if we all don't contribute they will offer more $.
500 photos without keywords and without postproduction and a single subject like in this case banana,60usd is fine.
the mission of the hands with different foods,80 usd is little,because you need different foods,different hands,even if in a certain way it is easier to find different topics,just put a different food in one hand,80 in my opinion is little but not much.
instead the mission of the mouths that eat is the most difficult and requires many more variables,and 80 usd is really too little.
but all this is subjective.
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I look forward to the results of your banana project Michael. I am not sure I have the time this week-end.
Tuesday is a public holiday, but even then I am not sure I could manage more than 500 files/10 shootings.
If they dropped the volume in half, I would consider the assignments. And more time.
Even if it is just bananas, I would like to do shootings that can really be useful for normal stock production.
Good luck!
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You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.
So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?
Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature. Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors. This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.
Thanks for the reply. It is clear what you explained, but it's all generic info about your new missions feature.
I just got my "banana mission" approved couple of hours ago, and I got 40$ for it, while everyone here is saying that this mission is worth (only) 60$.
Why is the pricing different for different contributors? ...or, why am I the black sheep in the community?:)
So, Adobe is testing different pricing structures, but it should be based *only* on the type of mission, cost, etc... as you explained. Every other grouping of contributors in this case is discrimination and not fair.
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okay,enough bananas for today! :D
Today I only took 640 photos,many different topics,but tomorrow I have to do better.
my plan is to reach about 2900 photos first,and then prepare the sets,I'll probably finish shooting on Monday,and I'll probably send everything on Tuesday.
if everything goes according to plan,it will have taken me 5/6 days to complete the mission 5 times.
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Mat,I'm interested in knowing,if possible,if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?
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Just be careful with the banana on a wall, since this has already been made as expensive art :)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/arts/design/banana-removed-art-basel.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/arts/design/banana-removed-art-basel.html)
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Mat,I'm interested in knowing,if possible,if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?
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Just be careful with the banana on a wall, since this has already been made as expensive art :)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/arts/design/banana-removed-art-basel.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/arts/design/banana-removed-art-basel.html)
wow! :D
"During the last edition of the Art Basel fair in Miami,one of the examples of the work was sold for the staggering price of 150 thousand dollars". :D incredible!
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how are these to be used for AI training if they have no metadata? are all images to be labeled with generic data? eg, food, rather than steak, hamburger, chicken etc?
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how are these to be used for AI training if they have no metadata? are all images to be labeled with generic data? eg, food, rather than steak, hamburger, chicken etc?
I think what Adobe is looking for in these photos and wants to train the AI with are the hands and the mouths, not the food, so the type of food will not matter and therefore is not relevant metadata-wise. Mouths, especially open mouths with teeth and hands are something AI image generators still struggle with a lot. And for some strange reason, at least Midjourney, indeed struggles with bananas, even though it has no problem with most other fruits.
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Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.
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Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.
I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion,should they no longer accept AI content,should they not integrate Firefly into the software,and should they maybe start a crusade against AI?
but it's obvious that they can't do that,It seems obvious to me!
then,sorry but I don't understand,I put a cake on the table if you eat it it means you like it if you don't eat it you don't like it,or just because I put the cake on the table am I accused of exploiting you because I put the cake on the table?
If you don't like this cake,just don't eat it! :D
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Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.
I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion
I am not SuperPhoto, but in my opinion: Compensate us in a way that will make up for the loss of income that AI will cause us for the rest of our lives. But of course Adobe will not do that, as the very point of AI is to replace human work/save money. But meeting somewhere in the middle would be nice and the decent thing to do.
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Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.
I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion
I am not SuperPhoto, but in my opinion: Compensate us in a way that will make up for the loss of income that AI will cause us for the rest of our lives. But of course Adobe will not do that, as the very point of AI is to replace human work/save money. But meeting somewhere in the middle would be nice and the decent thing to do.
instead in my opinion they are already doing it,and they are doing it in the best way possible in my opinion.
I'm not defending anyone,I'm only defending logic,what seems obvious to me.
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instead in my opinion they are already doing it
You really think a one-time payment of a few hundred bucks is, somewhere in the 0.0X$ range per image, is even coming close to making up for my future income I will lose because of AI? I am a full time microstock photographer, based on my earnings so far and on and how many years I have left to work till retirement I would have estimated over half a milliion $ in income from microstock for the rest of my work-life - and that would be assuming my income would stay steady, while in fact my income has been constantly increasing with the size of my portfolio. My earnings will be diminished to close to nothing due to AI in the upcoming years.
And you think by giving me a few hudred bucks Adobe is compensating me fairly for that loss? Are you kidding me?!
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instead in my opinion they are already doing it
You really think a one-time payment of a few hundret bucks is, somewhere in the 0.0X$ range per image, is even coming close to making up for my future income I will lose because of AI? I am a full time microstock photographer, based on my earnings so far and on and how many years I have left to work till retirement I would have estimated over half a milliion $ in income from microstock for the rest of my work-life - and that would be assuming my income would stay stead, while in fact my income has been constantly increasing with the size of my portfolio. My earnings will be diminished to close to nothing due to AI in the upcoming years.
And you think by giving me a few hudred bucks Adobe is compensating me fairly for that loss? Are you kidding me?!
no,I simply say that unfortunately they cannot give you money for free,or change the current state of things,the AI Pandora's box has been opened,and no one can do anything about it,and it seems to me that in comparison to all the other agencies they are behaving much better with us.
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banana mission update: :D
I have already completed 13 topics,and I have already created another 26,some still to be finished,others almost finished,today so far I have taken 400 photos,now I'm going to take more.
so I still have to think about 16 topics,even if 11 more would be enough,but if I can I will send a few more,I'm sure something will come to mind,while I'm shooting other ideas come to me.
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it seems to me that in comparison to all the other agencies they are behaving much better with us.
I would agree.
It's quite impossible to stop Ai development in the near future, and Adobe give the option to be payed for machine learning.
As I said in other post, mission should be payed more, especially ones that involve people. But I have to admit that working for these missons could give good earnings if you produce enough.
Other gives penny for whole portfolio we have built in years. In this case you can monetize lot of similar, that is much easier to do.
Unfortunately timing is too short this sessions, let's see next ones.
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Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.
I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion,should they no longer accept AI content,should they not integrate Firefly into the software,and should they maybe start a crusade against AI?
but it's obvious that they can't do that,It seems obvious to me!
then,sorry but I don't understand,I put a cake on the table if you eat it it means you like it if you don't eat it you don't like it,or just because I put the cake on the table am I accused of exploiting you because I put the cake on the table?
If you don't like this cake,just don't eat it! :D
It's quite simple - you don't participate in it. Realize it is designed to try and permanently put you out of business, and don't participate.
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Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.
I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion,should they no longer accept AI content,should they not integrate Firefly into the software,and should they maybe start a crusade against AI?
but it's obvious that they can't do that,It seems obvious to me!
then,sorry but I don't understand,I put a cake on the table if you eat it it means you like it if you don't eat it you don't like it,or just because I put the cake on the table am I accused of exploiting you because I put the cake on the table?
If you don't like this cake,just don't eat it! :D
It's quite simple - you don't participate in it. Realize it is designed to try and permanently put you out of business, and don't participate.
what a pessimistic view! :D
AIs won't permanently put us out of business,since there is a lot of content that can be done that AIs can't do,yes the easy money is running out,you have to work harder now if you want to try to make money in the microstock.
Then it seems that some people think that in the missions that Adobe offers now,they are not sure of being paid,why?
simply follow the rules of the mission and I'm sure they will pay you,and indeed I'm sure they will even adopt a certain acceptable tolerance in judging a set to be valid,but this is my personal opinion.
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?
I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.
yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D
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I see. Good luck and have fun :)
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I see. Good luck and have fun :)
Thank you! :)
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banana mission update: :D
I have completed 28 topics with at least 50 photos each,and another 5 are almost finished.
I've already thought of 10 other topics,so I'm almost there now,I have to think of 7 more and are already enough,but as I have already underlined I will probably do a few more,just to be sure,but also because I've got a taste for it now! :D
to carry out the mission I am exclusively using my DSLR with 50mm prime lens and a 70-300mm,the latter is very practical,because I can take more shots without moving the tripod.
I'm considering also including the 18-55mm in the last shots.
on some occasions I also played with the focus,and I tried to have different depths of field with different apertures on some occasions,and I also shot at high exposures of a few stops and even underexposures.
I tried to target what is ultimately the purpose of this mission,and I believe that in training Firefly,variety is the most important thing.
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?
I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.
yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D
So you believe it makes financial sense to create hundreds of new banana images when adobe alone has 159,000 results for "bananas on the table" and at the same time you and heaps of others are just trying to teach Ai how to create an infinite number of more banana images? And also everyone else like you will upload thousands of their new "bananas on the table" pictures to adobe.
Then I can quite understand you considering $300 a good income for 6 days.
And I also understand that from your perspective you consider everything happening around Ai and microstock to be positive.
The problem with these discussions is that some of the contributors can't be considered real professional contributors, and then the whole debate is completely pointless. (I really tried to write that last sentence without offending anyone. It cost me a lot of effort.)
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The problem with these discussions is that some of the contributors can't be considered real professional contributors, and then the whole debate is completely pointless. (I really tried to write that last sentence without offending anyone. It cost me a lot of effort.)
I often seem to face that problem. People who only do microstock as a side income often seem to have a very different view on things in opposite to the ones who do it for a living and depend on the income. Whenever an agency offers some way to earn "a few easy bucks", the ones who do it just as a side income seem to think "hurray, a few easy bucks!"and to them it's just some nice extra money on top of their income. But everyone who does microstock for a living has to think further and consider "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?". We have to think through very carefully if these few easy bucks will mean a loss of ten thousands of bucks in the long run for us. That's why sometimes is is very difficult to have a proper discussion when two people start out from two very different conditions.
Sadly the decisions of the ones who do this as a side income affect the ones who do this as a living just as much, so sometimes it matters little what we decide.
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?
I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.
yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D
So you believe it makes financial sense to create hundreds of new banana images when adobe alone has 159,000 results for "bananas on the table" and at the same time you and heaps of others are just trying to teach Ai how to create an infinite number of more banana images? And also everyone else like you will upload thousands of their new "bananas on the table" pictures to adobe.
Then I can quite understand you considering $300 a good income for 6 days.
And I also understand that from your perspective you consider everything happening around Ai and microstock to be positive.
The problem with these discussions is that some of the contributors can't be considered real professional contributors, and then the whole debate is completely pointless. (I really tried to write that last sentence without offending anyone. It cost me a lot of effort.)
as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.
I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.
Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.
I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.
it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.
"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"
regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.
@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.
okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?
there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!
continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.
even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D
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Banana mission update: :D
I started the mission on Thursday 28 September at 4pm Italian time,now it is 2am on Wednesday 4 October.
I have taken 2559 photos so far,so I've already exceeded the minimum number to complete the mission 5 times,and I have already completed 43 topics,and I already have 3 in mind but I have to find at least 4 more,as I had thought,finding the topics is the most difficult thing in the mission,20/30 topics can be found easily,finding more is not very simple,In any case,I'm sure it will come to mind tomorrow.
so I'm a little behind on the plan but I'm almost done now,and I think I'll finish shooting tomorrow or Thursday morning,and I will send everything Thursday evening/night.
I'm going to sleep now,another day of shooting awaits me tomorrow! :D
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That is incredible Michael!
I hope they accept all your submissions, you certainly deserve it for doing so much at such short notice.
I am waiting for the next submissions, hopefully we have 30 days. Also would love it if the batches could be smaller, 200-300 files. If every „scene“ gives you 20-30 images, 200-300 would be 10 set ups.
And of course you would do other things around it, to have more context photos and also videos.
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That is incredible Michael!
I hope they accept all your submissions, you certainly deserve it for doing so much at such short notice.
I am waiting for the next submissions, hopefully we have 30 days. Also would love it if the batches could be smaller, 200-300 files. If every „scene“ gives you 20-30 images, 200-300 would be 10 set ups.
And of course you would do other things around it, to have more context photos and also videos.
thank you,but my name is not Michael :D
however the problem is not the number of shots,that's fine,the problem are topics (the surface,or the environment if you want) because they accept a maximum of 50 photos per topic,so it is necessary to find at least 50 different surfaces or environments,for complete the mission 5 times,if you want to complete the mission one or two of times it's a breeze!
every 10 topics of 50 photos are 500 images,which is the minimum for each set and max 1000,the sets are 5 maximum,i.e. it is possible to restart the mission 5 times.
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ups, sorry...:)
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Banana mission update :)
photos taken 3022
topics completed 47
needless to say,I have never taken all these photos in such a short time.
everything is going well,now I'm going to shoot 2 more topics,then I'll close tomorrow morning with a series of shots on different surfaces randomly,however there are still 2 whole days left.
I think 300 USD for 5 sets is a fair price,but certainly no less,perhaps Adobe for the next missions could think of a type of rewards that increase as more sets are completed,or to an extra bonus if you complete all sets.
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I believe about $1000 to be a fair price for 5 sets, not less.
Banana mission update :)
photos taken 3022
topics completed 47
needless to say,I have never taken all these photos in such a short time.
everything is going well,now I'm going to shoot 2 more topics,then I'll close tomorrow morning with a series of shots on different surfaces randomly,however there are still 2 whole days left.
I think 300 USD for 5 sets is a fair price,but certainly no less,perhaps Adobe for the next missions could think of a type of rewards that increase as more sets are completed,or to an extra bonus if you complete all sets.
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?
I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.
yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D
Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.
Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?
I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.
yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D
Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.
Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.
yes,in fact in the near future everyone will only buy images of bananas,so it's better to be prepared! :D
Maybe you'd better think about it,for what purpose can all these images,which include various environments,be used?offices, bedrooms,living rooms, dining rooms, kitchens... and much more!
Of course,I don't expect to start selling these images like peanuts,but I'm sure they will bring me more money in the future.
@BelieveInStock:1000usd it is objectively too much to take a minimum of 2500 photos of bananas,without postproduction and without keywording,are bananas not people,and there is no need to travel.
I think that 60-80 USD per set and 500 USD if you complete all 5 sets could be more fair,because completing all the sets is more complex than doing just one,this is why in my opinion the prize should increase as the sets increase.
in my opinion Adobe could also start from 40 usd for the first set,then 60$ for the second,then 80$... and so on and 500usd if all the sets are completed,so it would have been more fair in my opinion.
300usd for everything may be fine,but it is the acceptable minimum for sure.
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Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.
Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.
yes,in fact in the near future everyone will only buy images of bananas,so it's better to be prepared! :D
Maybe you'd better think about it,for what purpose can all these images,which include various environments,be used?offices, bedrooms,living rooms, dining rooms, kitchens... and much more!
Fair point. However, I guess the more various environments and settings you use for the banana images, the more effort it will be, will it not?
And if you have access to so many environments suitable for stock photos, have you not used them already for that purpose?
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as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.
I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.
Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.
I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.
it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.
"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"
regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.
@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.
okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?
there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!
continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.
even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D
a) Your actions speak MUCH louder than words. In fact, SO loud, no one can hear what you are saying.
You - by your actions - are actually 100% fully for "ai" - to chase a little bit of bread crumbs thrown on the ground, so you can eat off the floor, that might be tossed your way after what you are making into a master, finishes his bread from the big table he is sitting at. It's a very short-sighted/myopic view of things - instant gratification - you want things "NOW". You don't realize essentially by participating in that - you are using a shovel to dig your own hole to jump into...
If NO one "participated" - there would be no "AI" to "create" - because it wouldn't have anything to "create" (in reality "steal") from...
Re: "darwin" - lol - "he" is not who you think he is/was... (including his "theory" of evolution lol, extremely funny)... the extremely co-ordinated "schooling" system was designed to teach you to think a certain way, and not question other things.
b) Now - since you seem super intent on getting a few paltry crumbs thrown your way - you should at least request you get recurring crumbs - perpetual income - instead of a 1-time thing.
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Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.
Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.
yes,in fact in the near future everyone will only buy images of bananas,so it's better to be prepared! :D
Maybe you'd better think about it,for what purpose can all these images,which include various environments,be used?offices, bedrooms,living rooms, dining rooms, kitchens... and much more!
Fair point. However, I guess the more various environments and settings you use for the banana images, the more effort it will be, will it not?
And if you have access to so many environments suitable for stock photos, have you not used them already for that purpose?
the short answer is no.
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as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.
I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.
Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.
I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.
it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.
"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"
regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.
@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.
okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?
there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!
continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.
even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D
a) Your actions speak MUCH louder than words. In fact, SO loud, no one can hear what you are saying.
You - by your actions - are actually 100% fully for "ai" - to chase a little bit of bread crumbs thrown on the ground, so you can eat off the floor, that might be tossed your way after what you are making into a master, finishes his bread from the big table he is sitting at. It's a very short-sighted/myopic view of things - instant gratification - you want things "NOW". You don't realize essentially by participating in that - you are using a shovel to dig your own hole to jump into...
If NO one "participated" - there would be no "AI" to "create" - because it wouldn't have anything to "create" (in reality "steal") from...
Re: "darwin" - lol - "he" is not who you think he is/was... (including his "theory" of evolution lol, extremely funny)... the extremely co-ordinated "schooling" system was designed to teach you to think a certain way, and not question other things.
b) Now - since you seem super intent on getting a few paltry crumbs thrown your way - you should at least request you get recurring crumbs - perpetual income - instead of a 1-time thing.
:D you're really funny! :D
but are you really still at this?you still can't accept that times have changed?
look,I don't care what you think,and it doesn't concern me,but if I can give you a suggestion it's better that you start thinking differently,because your way of reasoning can't bring you anything good.
Then again,I don't understand all this concern about AI.
If they didn't exist,was it better?Yes,in my opinion,yes.
but in any case they do not represent the end of the microstock,they will certainly have a certain impact,but it will certainly not be the end of the microstock.
Yesterday I was reading Steven's blog,BackyardSilver,and I read an interesting article called "Artificial Intelligence – the end for Stock Photographers?"read it,and maybe you start to see the situation from a better perspective,because there is nothing worse than losing hope,especially in a job like microstock,but in life in general I think it's like that.
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as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.
I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.
Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.
I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.
it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.
"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"
regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.
@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.
okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?
there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!
continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.
even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D
a) Your actions speak MUCH louder than words. In fact, SO loud, no one can hear what you are saying.
You - by your actions - are actually 100% fully for "ai" - to chase a little bit of bread crumbs thrown on the ground, so you can eat off the floor, that might be tossed your way after what you are making into a master, finishes his bread from the big table he is sitting at. It's a very short-sighted/myopic view of things - instant gratification - you want things "NOW". You don't realize essentially by participating in that - you are using a shovel to dig your own hole to jump into...
If NO one "participated" - there would be no "AI" to "create" - because it wouldn't have anything to "create" (in reality "steal") from...
Re: "darwin" - lol - "he" is not who you think he is/was... (including his "theory" of evolution lol, extremely funny)... the extremely co-ordinated "schooling" system was designed to teach you to think a certain way, and not question other things.
b) Now - since you seem super intent on getting a few paltry crumbs thrown your way - you should at least request you get recurring crumbs - perpetual income - instead of a 1-time thing.
:D you're really funny! :D
but are you really still at this?you still can't accept that times have changed?
look,I don't care what you think,and it doesn't concern me,but if I can give you a suggestion it's better that you start thinking differently,because your way of reasoning can't bring you anything good.
Then again,I don't understand all this concern about AI.
If they didn't exist,was it better?Yes,in my opinion,yes.
but in any case they do not represent the end of the microstock,they will certainly have a certain impact,but it will certainly not be the end of the microstock.
Yesterday I was reading Steven's blog,BackyardSilver,and I read an interesting article called "Artificial Intelligence – the end for Stock Photographers?"read it,and maybe you start to see the situation from a better perspective,because there is nothing worse than losing hope,especially in a job like microstock,but in life in general I think it's like that.
You do care what I think, because you took the time to reply - which, thank-you.
And yes, my reasoning does bring good.
Never said it (microstock) would be "the end", because no - it is not. However, yes, I agree with you that you are correct that you don't yet understand the concern about "AI" based on your actions. (Which again, isn't real "ai" - it's not actually 'creating' anything nor 'reasoning', its simply sophisticated theft and pattern re-arrangement) .
An analogy would be like a thief breaking into someone's home and stealing a bunch of items, and on the way out - dropping some money (lets say $300 usd). And as the thief runs away - you pick it up, pocket it yourself patting yourself on the back, while admiring your banana that you are eating - proud that you pocketed some extra cash for yourself from the spoils of the theft - because, as you reason - "well it happened anyways, so might as well take the money and run". It hurts the person that the thief stole from. It hurts the people in the neighbourhood - because they know are a bit fearful/uncertain. Sure - you benefit in the short term, but at what cost?
Things do change. And these "AI" tools are now available now. However - you, as many others - actually DO have a say in the direction it takes. You can either choose good, or not good.
You can either just munch on your banana, happy that you have a full belly and a pocket full of cash and you "don't care" because YOUR belly is full of bananas, until the thief hits your home, and then you start crying, and you run out of bananas, and wonder what you are going to eat the next day because you pooped out all your bananas from the previous day.
OR - you can do good - and you can have a say/shape the direction of the "AI" tools - and say no - you don't want the short sighted view of things, but rather be compensated fairly for your work (which helps others be compensated fairly for their work) - with one example being RECURRING perpetual payments, and then you can eat ALL the bananas you want, for the rest of your life - because now you, and others - are fairly compensated.
You, as others, do have a say for the direction "ai" tools take.
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@SuperPhoto
just because I answer you doesn't mean I care what you think,it's a question of correctness and good manners,you probably have a slightly too egocentric view,however if you like to think so:you-are-welcome! :D
ok,I understand your point of view,I respect it but I don't agree with it,I respect your ideals,the same idealism that arose when Shutterstock changed the royalty structure,admirable but unfortunately useless.
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There are countries in the world where for $60 you can buy an entire village, including the mayor's daughter.
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The exact numbers are 60-80$ (depending on the mission) for 500-1000 images. Thus $0.06-$0.16/image.
may be it worth for mirorrless / phone cameras
but killing DSLR mirror for that - meh
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You are assuming all your submissions will be accepted. I don't think we've heard anything yet from someone who submitted to know if Adobe is taking everything, half, quarter...
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Half of the images displayed on the first page for almost any search term are images "generated with AI". 5% of all images in the database are displayed as "generated with AI".
The trend is crystal clear: AI is preferred. At some point, AI will generate images "generated with AI". Then there will be no need to pay for images. Maximum profit for agencies - that's the goal.
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ok Adobe,I have sent the first set,and I have read,understood and accepted the supplemental works addendum.
in the future,if you want,you can count on me.
thank you.
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Half of the images displayed on the first page for almost any search term are images "generated with AI". 5% of all images in the database are displayed as "generated with AI". ...
quick test - none of these are even 20% AI:
india
varanasi
rainer
mountaineering sherpa - a few of my Ai & others on 1st page, but still mostly non-AI
which search terms yield half AI?
if only 5% are in the AS collection, but half are displayed on 'almost any search term' that implies a seriously biased algorithm
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Half of the images displayed on the first page for almost any search term are images "generated with AI". 5% of all images in the database are displayed as "generated with AI".
The trend is crystal clear: AI is preferred. At some point, AI will generate images "generated with AI". Then there will be no need to pay for images. Maximum profit for agencies - that's the goal.
Wilm, the exciting question here is: Does Adobe actively push the images in the ranking or are AI images more popular and bought more often?
In the first case, it would be quite a slap in the face for the established contributors.
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Half of the images displayed on the first page for almost any search term are images "generated with AI". 5% of all images in the database are displayed as "generated with AI". ...
quick test - none of these are even 20% AI:
india
varanasi
rainer
mountaineering sherpa - a few of my Ai & others on 1st page, but still mostly non-AI
which search terms yield half AI?
if only 5% are in the AS collection, but half are displayed on 'almost any search term' that implies a seriously biased algorithm
Steve, I think this is more about general search terms than specific travel topics.
By the way, Sahara desert has an AI picture in 1st place and a few more on page 1. Most of the images are clearly recognizable as AI.
And what is this junk picture at the top about the Caribbean doing on page 1?
https://stock.adobe.com/de/search?filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&limit=100&search_page=1&k=karibik+strand&search_type=autosuggest&acp=1&aco=karibik&get_facets=0&asset_id=605913510
I can't really imagine that such a picture is really popular with buyers. Something else is going on in ranking AI.
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Actually, Adobe changed their algorithm quite a few months ago to limit the amount of AI images showing up per page when no filters are selected. Otherwise it was getting a bit overwhelming apparently. I know this from a post made by an Adobe Staff member on their Discord server.
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I am surprised no one has talked about the new mission yet?
500 to 1000 pictures of "a single individual in front of a greenscreen" for $80.
Minimum of 500 images of one person per submission.
I think this mission is even more bold of Adobe.
It requires a model including release and a green screen. The mission info also says the greenscreen must be a "solid greenscreen background with no wrinkles and shadows" so it will require a proper fixed greenscreen and not just some green cloth hanging on the wall and for the "no shadows" it require proper studio light equipment. So this seems like it's aimed more for the photographers with proper studio equipment.
I do have some studio equipment, but even for me these photos usually require lots of post-processing to make sure there are no wrinkles visible in the backdrop or no shadows.
And it comes down to a payment of $40 for 5000-1000 images per person involved in the shooting. I know the food missions also required a second person, but taking 50 photos of someone's hand choppong food is a different task than having one person do 500 different poses for the camera.
I am really curious to know how many professional studio photographers are willing to do 500+ photos for 40$. In my opinion the payment offered for this mission should have been much higher.
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I can't see anymore the "mission" option in my dashboard, so it seems that I was approved for only few days for previous missions, but now I'm out...
What?? ::)
I am surprised no one has talked about the new mission yet?
Maybe because, like me, many people can't see the mission?
By the way, I agree with you, it's really poor amount for so demanding work, I would not partecipate. It seems good only for someone that has already planned a green screen shooting, and can add this to his workflow
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I can't see anymore the "mission" option in my dashboard, so it seems that I was approved for only few days for previous missions, but now I'm out...
What?? ::)
Oh, that's strange. Since I did not take part in any of the last missions I thought there was no specific reason why I should get new missions, but others wouldn't, so I thought everyone had them.
Don't you have a new "missions" tab in your dashboard? It's in the black top line.
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I can't see anymore the "mission" option in my dashboard, so it seems that I was approved for only few days for previous missions, but now I'm out...
What?? ::)
Oh, that's strange. Since I did not take part in any of the last missions I thought there was no specific reason why I should get new missions, but others wouldn't, so I thought everyone had them.
Don't you have a new "missions" tab in your dashboard? It's in the black top line.
Yes I had the "mission" tab last week, but now it's disappeared... I was also curious to know the new missions, but actually I cannot see the tab anymore
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I had the missions last week, and kept the tab open, when I refreshed the page I got
"
{
"code": 113,
"message": "User is not a member of any mission request"
}
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For the greenscreen one, if you had a good greenscreen setup in a studio you could just take video for a few minutes doing high speed poses and then pull every 10th image out or something similar to help train our replacements.