Quote from: KoKi on September 29, 2023, 13:10

Quote from: MatHayward on September 29, 2023, 11:16

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So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?

Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature.  Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors.  This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.

Mat,I'm interested in knowing,if possible,if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?

because if any real environment is considered valid,then is possible create 50/60 different topics.

by real environment I mean any environment where you can find a banana,certainly not on the tiles of the roof of the house...although I had thought about it!

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 29, 2023, 13:41

Quote from: MatHayward on September 29, 2023, 13:20

Quote from: KoKi on September 29, 2023, 13:10

Quote from: MatHayward on September 29, 2023, 11:16

You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.

So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?

Differences in Mission offers may be due to the type of Mission, amount of content, or estimated cost of production. It may also be due to A/B testing during the limited beta rollout of our new Missions feature.  Missions are currently limited to only a select group of contributors.  This test aims to evaluate varying pricing structures to allow us to better understand what resonates most with our community, helping us scale Missions to the larger Contributor community in a sustainable way.

Mat,I'm interested in knowing if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?

because if any real environment is considered valid,then is possible create 50/60 different topics.

Yes, that should be fine.

Thanks for the question,

Mat

Thank you very much!

In this case it is possible to complete the mission 5 times.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. We are interested in learning more about what you like/don't like about the Missions so please keep your comments coming.

Hi Mat, so here is mine: after your comment I did a new test.

First point / question:
For what I can see, the mission of shooting a simple group of objects (bananas) is really easy to produce, you can plan sets and take shoots with decent light.
Mission that involve people (eating, handling) is much much more hard to produce. I say "hard" that means that the final result is less good photos in longer time, so it seems really more difficult.

I can produce 50 photos of bananas (one set) in few minutes
But I have to miss my dinner  to take same amount of decent images when there is one person involved.

So I think that the earning should be much higher for mission that involve partecipating people.

The second point is that is really not clear the level of image that Adobe is looking for.
is selective focus ok?
is a detail with only partly visible object ok?
Is it okay to send high ISO images with available light?
white balance is not important?
are some blurred motion ok taking slow shutter speed images?

The examples in the mission briefs look too "stock images standard" with good light and pose, so it seems impossible to have high number of images without proper light and set.

In other words, I think that, while the subject you need it's clear, it's not really clear the technical value of images you need, and the brief should be more detailed on what is ok and what is not

Thanks for your answer

I look forward to the results of your banana project Michael. I am not sure I have the time this week-end.

Tuesday is a public holiday, but even then I am not sure I could manage more than 500 files/10 shootings.

If they dropped the volume in half, I would consider the assignments. And more time.

Even if it is just bananas, I would like to do shootings that can really be useful for normal stock production.

Good luck!

okay,enough bananas for today! 

Today I only took 640 photos,many different topics,but tomorrow I have to do better.

my plan is to reach about 2900 photos first,and then prepare the sets,I'll probably finish shooting on Monday,and I'll probably send everything on Tuesday.

if everything goes according to plan,it will have taken me 5/6 days to complete the mission 5 times.

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 29, 2023, 13:41

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Mat,I'm interested in knowing,if possible,if every real environment can be considered a topic,for example bananas in a basket in the middle of the grass,or bananas hanging on a wall are okay?
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Just be careful with the banana on a wall, since this has already been made as expensive art 
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/arts/design/banana-removed-art-basel.html

wow!

"During the last edition of the Art Basel fair in Miami,one of the examples of the work was sold for the staggering price of 150 thousand dollars".  incredible!

how are these to be used for AI training if they have no metadata?  are all images to be labeled with generic data?  eg, food, rather than steak, hamburger, chicken etc?

I think what Adobe is looking for in these photos and wants to train the AI with are the hands and the mouths, not the food, so the type of food will not matter and therefore is not relevant metadata-wise. Mouths, especially open mouths with teeth and hands are something AI image generators still struggle with a lot. And for some strange reason, at least Midjourney, indeed struggles with bananas, even though it has no problem with most other fruits.

Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.

I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion,should they no longer accept AI content,should they not integrate Firefly into the software,and should they maybe start a crusade against AI?

but it's obvious that they can't do that,It seems obvious to me!

then,sorry but I don't understand,I put a cake on the table if you eat it it means you like it if you don't eat it you don't like it,or just because I put the cake on the table am I accused of exploiting you because I put the cake on the table?

If you don't like this cake,just don't eat it!

Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2023, 13:16

Quote from: SuperPhoto on October 01, 2023, 08:14

Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.

I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion

I am not SuperPhoto, but in my opinion: Compensate us in a way that will make up for the loss of income that AI will cause us for the rest of our lives. But of course Adobe will not do that, as the very point of AI is to replace human work/save money. But meeting somewhere in the middle would be nice and the decent thing to do.

instead in my opinion they are already doing it,and they are doing it in the best way possible in my opinion.

I'm not defending anyone,I'm only defending logic,what seems obvious to me.

Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2023, 14:07

instead in my opinion they are already doing it

You really think a one-time payment of a few hundret bucks is, somewhere in the 0.0X$ range per image, is even coming close to making up for my future income I will lose because of AI? I am a full time microstock photographer, based on my earnings so far and on and how many years I have left to work till retirement I would have estimated over half a milliion $ in income from microstock for the rest of my work-life - and that would be assuming my income would stay stead, while in fact my income has been constantly increasing with the size of my portfolio. My earnings will be diminished to close to nothing due to AI in the upcoming years.
And you think by giving me a few hudred bucks Adobe is compensating me fairly for that loss? Are you kidding me?!

no,I simply say that unfortunately they cannot give you money for free,or change the current state of things,the AI ​​Pandora's box has been opened,and no one can do anything about it,and it seems to me that in comparison to all the other agencies they are behaving much better with us.

it seems to me that in comparison to all the other agencies they are behaving much better with us.

I would agree.
It's quite impossible to stop Ai development in the near future, and Adobe give the option to be payed for machine learning.
As I said in other post, mission should be payed more, especially ones that involve people. But I have to admit that working for these missons could give good earnings if you produce enough.
Other gives penny for whole portfolio we have built in years. In this case you can monetize lot of similar, that is much easier to do.
Unfortunately timing is too short this sessions, let's see next ones.

Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2023, 13:16

Quote from: SuperPhoto on October 01, 2023, 08:14

Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.

I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion,should they no longer accept AI content,should they not integrate Firefly into the software,and should they maybe start a crusade against AI?

but it's obvious that they can't do that,It seems obvious to me!

then,sorry but I don't understand,I put a cake on the table if you eat it it means you like it if you don't eat it you don't like it,or just because I put the cake on the table am I accused of exploiting you because I put the cake on the table?

If you don't like this cake,just don't eat it!

It's quite simple - you don't participate in it. Realize it is designed to try and permanently put you out of business, and don't participate.

what a pessimistic view!

AIs won't permanently put us out of business,since there is a lot of content that can be done that AIs can't do,yes the easy money is running out,you have to work harder now if you want to try to make money in the microstock.

Then it seems that some people think that in the missions that Adobe offers now,they are not sure of being paid,why?

simply follow the rules of the mission and I'm sure they will pay you,and indeed I'm sure they will even adopt a certain acceptable tolerance in judging a set to be valid,but this is my personal opinion.

Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?

I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.

yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more!