Quote from: cascoly on September 10, 2023, 13:02

confused - if the order matters, why does LRC automatically alphabetize them?

One of the top features of Lightroom is the organizational capabilities. Alphabetical keywords makes sense for the vast majority of Lightroom use cases. We are the only exception I can think of.

As a compromise, the Lightroom team made an update in which the original order of keywords is retained as you add them. In LR the keywords are still displayed alphabetically, however when you upload to Adobe Stock, the keywords are added in the order you originally listed them. It's not the cleanest UI, but it is effective.

Personally, I add my keywords in Adobe Bridge to embed in metadata. I only use LR keywords to keep track of what I've got and where.

-Mat Hayward

Quote from: MatHayward on September 11, 2023, 15:54

Quote from: cascoly on September 10, 2023, 13:02

confused - if the order matters, why does LRC automatically alphabetize them?

One of the top features of Lightroom is the organizational capabilities. Alphabetical keywords makes sense for the vast majority of Lightroom use cases. We are the only exception I can think of.

As a compromise, the Lightroom team made an update in which the original order of keywords is retained as you add them. In LR the keywords are still displayed alphabetically, however when you upload to Adobe Stock, the keywords are added in the order you originally listed them. It's not the cleanest UI, but it is effective.

Personally, I add my keywords in Adobe Bridge to embed in metadata. I only use LR keywords to keep track of what I've got and where.

-Mat Hayward

Can you tell us a little more about this change? Link to a video/tutorial?

I do everything in LRc but with stock images I'm uploading to Adobe, I'm forced into an additional step, where I paste keywords from LRc into a Pages (Word) document & then rearrange them so the ten most important are first. I then use that to paste into Adobe when I upload, which is very time consuming...

Even if I do keywords in order in PS, if I opened the original RAW from LRc, it will rearrange them alphbetically in any saved tiffs or jpegs. Will Adobe Stock recognize what I did in PS?

I often just use LRc, so with the change, can I simply paste my keywords into LRc in the right order and will it then upload them to Adobe in that order? Does that work or do you need to enter them one by one? What do you mean by initial order? Is it the first time you save metadata to the file? Or, the most recent?

I have many saved LRc Keyword/Caption Metatdata presets that get added as I import my photos into LRc to be tweaked as needed, but this means the initial keywords will always end up in alphabetical order due to LRc's insistence on not allowing us to save a preset in the order we'd prefer. So does this then defeat the new system?

I used to organize all my Adobe Stock images in the Adobe Stock plugin which no longer works - so how do you upload to Adobe Stock & have it recognize whatever "initial order" in LR means?

Even if you embed your keywords using Bridge, if your file is in your catalog in LRc, LR will rearrange the keywords, and it's pointless to import into LRc only after it's been uploaded to Adobe Stock - organization is the first step. So I don't see that as a viable solution.

Honestly, with all the amazing bells and whistles in LRc, why couldn't they just make it a Preferences option to organize keywords manually or alphabetically? Problem solved. I've gotta think you've got IT folks who can figure this out.

Photoshop file info function keeps all keywords in the order you input.  I used to use Bridge for Metadata but got fed up with Bridge sorting everything alphabetically which then made it a pain to upload to Adobe.  Now I use the file info function in photoshop, which includes the ability to save a template which can be applied to all photos in a series.  Easy.

Quote from: MatHayward on September 12, 2023, 09:03

Quote from: Carmifornia on September 11, 2023, 22:57

How important is to add keywords to image metadata? I can do that from my computer, but not from my iPad (most of my illustrations are made on iPad) It it ok if I don�t add metadata to my images?

You must add a title and at least 5 keywords before you can submit. It doesn't matter if you embed them in the metadata before upload, or if you add them in the contributor portal after you upload. It must be done. Not only is it required, it's by far the most effective way to get your content seen and sold.

-Mat Hayward

Thank you Mat for your reply. I have another question:
I see that numerous other accounts/people copied my description and keywords exactly word to word from my best sellers. Is that allowed?

Quote from: MatHayward on September 10, 2023, 12:24

The first ten keywords have the most weight in search results. You can add up to 49 relevant keywords. They all play a role in search. As long as they are relevant, you should add as many as you can think of. The tool here in MSG is effective in providing useful keywords. Spend the most time focusing on the first ten, the rest is helpful, just not quite as impactful in the results.

-Mat Hayward

Hi Mat,

Could you please advise if adding keyword composed of 3 words is a good idea or shall I separate all words?