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Interesting numbers and yes, I'd agree, important factor is WHO: "All the above data has to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is compiled from Stock Performer’s customers who do not represent all stock contributors and not all Stock Performer customers choose to hand over their performance data. "
I'll hand over my data for nothing in return and show that AI is not preforming better than my photos. I suspect your members are much more in tune and jumped on AI and are smart at creating useful images, while working very hard at new AI images. One AI image licensed on SS for 10 cents, in June so far, and it was an Easter background. I suppose the pretty flowers may have been usable for something else Springtime?
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For me it is about the same as photos.
When the intial ai rush settles, I think it will be just the same sales ratio as illustrations and photos.
But that article will encourage 100 000 new artists to join Adobe and upload ai.
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
I really feel sorry for photographers as they can't compete with the image quality created using Midjourney, it's just amazing.
So, imagine if 100,000 novices like my son are uploading to AS, what would be the result?
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So, imagine if 100,000 novices like my son are uploading to AS, what would be the result?
A review waiting time of 28 days.
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So, imagine if 100,000 novices like my son are uploading to AS, what would be the result?
A review waiting time of 28 days.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKjFbbH1/Nailed_It_400.jpg)
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I'm guessing one important factor is as follows:
- Many photos uploaded to Stock sites aren't super saleable....i.e. snapshots, nice landscapes....etc.. Generally with stock, photos with people in "interesting" locations (e.g. offices) sell better. For a photographer, that means hiring models with releases etc., and getting those interesting locations. For AI, it is no problem to include "people" as subjects in "interesting lcations". In general, with good prompts, AI can produce saleable images without having to hire actual models or travel to interesting or challenging locations as a photographer would have to do.
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I'm guessing one important factor is as follows:
- Many photos uploaded to Stock sites aren't super saleable....i.e. snapshots, nice landscapes....etc.. Generally with stock, photos with people in "interesting" locations (e.g. offices) sell better. For a photographer, that means hiring models with releases etc., and getting those interesting locations. For AI, it is no problem to include "people" as subjects in "interesting lcations". In general, with good prompts, AI can produce saleable images without having to hire actual models or travel to interesting or challenging locations as a photographer would have to do.
Right!
The AI is a powerful tool and another resource at your disposal. Important is the choice of the subjects and the post processing. Anyway some of my AI generated images are performing very well with more than 50 downloads each and others are approaching...
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
I really feel sorry for photographers as they can't compete with the image quality created using Midjourney, it's just amazing.
So, imagine if 100,000 novices like my son are uploading to AS, what would be the result?
Don't you need to pay commission from sales to Midjourney? I remember saw it in their licencing.
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I'm guessing one important factor is as follows:
- Many photos uploaded to Stock sites aren't super saleable....i.e. snapshots, nice landscapes....etc.. Generally with stock, photos with people in "interesting" locations (e.g. offices) sell better. For a photographer, that means hiring models with releases etc., and getting those interesting locations. For AI, it is no problem to include "people" as subjects in "interesting lcations". In general, with good prompts, AI can produce saleable images without having to hire actual models or travel to interesting or challenging locations as a photographer would have to do.
Right!
The AI is a powerful tool and another resource at your disposal. Important is the choice of the subjects and the post processing. Anyway some of my AI generated images are performing very well with more than 50 downloads each and others are approaching...
Congrats! :)
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
I really feel sorry for photographers as they can't compete with the image quality created using Midjourney, it's just amazing.
So, imagine if 100,000 novices like my son are uploading to AS, what would be the result?
Don't you need to pay commission from sales to Midjourney? I remember saw it in their licencing.
I don't find anything in the Midjourney terms of service (link:https://docs.midjourney.com/docs/terms-of-service) where did you find that pay commission ? Can you provide a direct link of the Midjourney site?
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Don't you need to pay commission from sales to Midjourney? I remember saw it in their licencing.
In order to "own" your output from Midjourney, you have to have a paid subscription plan - otherwise they own it. "If You are not a Paid Member, You don’t own the Assets You create. Instead, Midjourney grants You a license to the Assets under the Creative Commons Noncommercial 4.0 Attribution International License (the “Asset License”)."
You can see the plans they offer here:
https://docs.midjourney.com/docs/plans
"If you have subscribed at any point, you are free to use your images in just about any way you want. If you are a company making more than $1,000,000 USD in gross revenue per year, you must purchase the Pro plan. For complete details please see the Terms of Service"
As noted above, I don't see anything in the terms of service about paying Midjourney, other than the subscription. They do note that if you're sued you're on your own (their words are different, but that's the gist of it)
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I'm guessing one important factor is as follows:
- Many photos uploaded to Stock sites aren't super saleable....i.e. snapshots, nice landscapes....etc.. Generally with stock, photos with people in "interesting" locations (e.g. offices) sell better. For a photographer, that means hiring models with releases etc., and getting those interesting locations. For AI, it is no problem to include "people" as subjects in "interesting lcations". In general, with good prompts, AI can produce saleable images without having to hire actual models or travel to interesting or challenging locations as a photographer would have to do.
Right!
The AI is a powerful tool and another resource at your disposal. Important is the choice of the subjects and the post processing. Anyway some of my AI generated images are performing very well with more than 50 downloads each and others are approaching...
Congrats! :)
thank you ;D
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
Updated numbers (really interesting experiment) ...
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18 months from now he will make a lot more money. It takes time for customers to find the files, lightbox them, realise the project.
These are early days.
I hope he enjoys. the journey. :)
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18 months from now he will make a lot more money. It takes time for customers to find the files, lightbox them, realise the project.
These are early days.
I hope he enjoys. the journey. :)
Thank you, I always warn him not to put too much hope in this field, as things are changing really quickly.
Anyway, my son's success so far has been quite unexpected for me, looking to see how far he can get...
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Don't you need to pay commission from sales to Midjourney? I remember saw it in their licencing.
In order to "own" your output from Midjourney, you have to have a paid subscription plan - otherwise they own it. "If You are not a Paid Member, You don’t own the Assets You create. Instead, Midjourney grants You a license to the Assets under the Creative Commons Noncommercial 4.0 Attribution International License (the “Asset License”)."
You can see the plans they offer here:
https://docs.midjourney.com/docs/plans
"If you have subscribed at any point, you are free to use your images in just about any way you want. If you are a company making more than $1,000,000 USD in gross revenue per year, you must purchase the Pro plan. For complete details please see the Terms of Service"
As noted above, I don't see anything in the terms of service about paying Midjourney, other than the subscription. They do note that if you're sued you're on your own (their words are different, but that's the gist of it)
How is the Basic Plan different from the Standard Plan? Which plan is best for us?
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How is the Basic Plan different from the Standard Plan? Which plan is best for us?
The main difference is that the basic plan only lets you make 200 generations ( one generation is 4 images, so 800 images) and the standard plan lets you create unlimited images.
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
Updated numbers (really interesting experiment) ...
Congrats ;D 8)
That's really a good start!
Looks like he found out that the idea behind the images plays a decisive role: once I realized it my sales skyrocketed (this week a single image got me $21.25 and another $26.40)
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
Updated numbers (really interesting experiment) ...
Congrats ;D 8)
That's really a good start!
Looks like he found out that the idea behind the images plays a decisive role: once I realized it my sales skyrocketed (this week a single image got me $21.25 and another $26.40)
Congrats to you too, impressive high sales!
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@gameover
congrats!
Also trying to do more concepts. But I need a lot more experience to get them right.
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@gameover
congrats!
Also trying to do more concepts. But I need a lot more experience to get them right.
Just think out of the box, it's easy! ;D
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
Updated numbers (really interesting experiment) ...
Congrats ;D 8)
That's really a good start!
Looks like he found out that the idea behind the images plays a decisive role: once I realized it my sales skyrocketed (this week a single image got me $21.25 and another $26.40)
In which stock agencies do you upload AI content to?
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still, the whole problem with Midjourney AI is using other people's photos. when it comes to legal action, both Midjourney and AS wash their hands. I don't understand AS will accept these pictures when they don't even accept editorials.
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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
Updated numbers (really interesting experiment) ...
Very interesting to compare numbers. In June I had around 480 files and 26 ai downloads.
So your son is doing better than me percentagewise. But of course with 1500 files he has a lot more exposure than me.
Need to upload more...
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If you are uploading AI to Adobe. Is it taking a very long time to get approved ?
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30-45 days it seems
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Updated numbers of my son's journey with Ai: the curve started to flatten. Sales of the Ai collection doubled in the first 3 months, now they're starting to slow down. But still it was a very good month and it's still far beyond my expectations when my son started creating and uploading Ai. The collection now has 2100 pics vs 1700 pics at the end of last month.
By the way, July was my BME at AS driven by that Ai collection and some good video sales.
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If you use MidJourney, is the agreement such that Midjourney could also upload all your output to the stock agencies and sell it themselves?
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No doubt I'm missing something, but why wouldn't someone buy e.g. Midjourney or whatever and generate their own AI images, rather than purchasing from an agency?
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midjourney doesn't have a collection of ready made images to download. you have to create your own by prompting. which takes time to learn.
and midjourney cannot give you legal protection, because as their own ceo explained himself how they scraped the entire internet without licensing anything.
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midjourney doesn't have a collection of ready made images to download. you have to create your own by prompting. which takes time to learn.
and midjourney cannot give you legal protection, because as their own ceo explained himself how they scraped the entire internet without licensing anything.
Are the agencies offering legal protection?
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midjourney doesn't have a collection of ready made images to download. you have to create your own by prompting. which takes time to learn.
and midjourney cannot give you legal protection, because as their own ceo explained himself how they scraped the entire internet without licensing anything.
Are the agencies offering legal protection?
Adobe Stock is, but to its enterprise customers creating Firefly output only. Adobe Stock's current getAI content comes from all the current generative AI tools, none of which is on a secure legal footing. Theoretically Firefly will be - if and when it exits beta - because Adobe trained on its contributors' content + public domain stuff. Adobe's CYA for the content it is accepting is telling contributors they need to ensure they have the rights for commercial use of the content they upload. But Adobe knows as well as anyone that no contributor can know that with Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, etc.
Shutterstock is but only for enterprise customers and things created with their (DALL-E 2 based) tools, not for all the genAI stuff uploaded to their site in spite of the rules saying its not allowed. Their earning call this week said that very few customers are using any of the output from their own AI tool as the quality isn't there: "... lack of true photo realistic outputs are holding back widespread adoption for actual marketing campaigns"
No idea what DepositPhotos, CanStock or 123rf are offering.
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midjourney doesn't have a collection of ready made images to download. you have to create your own by prompting. which takes time to learn.
and midjourney cannot give you legal protection, because as their own ceo explained himself how they scraped the entire internet without licensing anything.
Are the agencies offering legal protection?
Adobe Stock is, but to its enterprise customers creating Firefly output only. Adobe Stock's current getAI content comes from all the current generative AI tools, none of which is on a secure legal footing. Theoretically Firefly will be - if and when it exits beta - because Adobe trained on its contributors' content + public domain stuff. Adobe's CYA for the content it is accepting is telling contributors they need to ensure they have the rights for commercial use of the content they upload. But Adobe knows as well as anyone that no contributor can know that with Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, etc.
Shutterstock is but only for enterprise customers and things created with their (DALL-E 2 based) tools, not for all the genAI stuff uploaded to their site in spite of the rules saying its not allowed. Their earning call this week said that very few customers are using any of the output from their own AI tool as the quality isn't there: "... lack of true photo realistic outputs are holding back widespread adoption for actual marketing campaigns"
No idea what DepositPhotos, CanStock or 123rf are offering.
Thanks, interesting!