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« on: June 16, 2023, 21:50 »
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"Now, as more people use AI to produce and publish content, an obvious question arises: What happens as AI-generated content proliferates around the internet, and AI models begin to train on it, instead of on primarily human-generated content?

A group of researchers from the UK and Canada have looked into this very problem and recently published a paper on their work in the open access journal arXiv. What they found is worrisome for current generative AI technology and its future: We find that use of model-generated content in training causes irreversible defects in the resulting models.


https://venturebeat.com/ai/the-ai-feedback-loop-researchers-warn-of-model-collapse-as-ai-trains-on-ai-generated-content/


« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2023, 03:01 »
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You'll get GIGO an old computing term "garbage in garbage out"  ;D

« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2023, 03:12 »
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That is good for us. It means agencies will continue to need real photos for the training of their ais.

« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2023, 04:12 »
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That is good for us. It means agencies will continue to need real photos for the training of their ais.

Yes, but agencies don't pay us to upload images. They only pay us if customers buy our images. And if AI images are faster and cheaper to pruduce and keep flooding Adobe like they do now and real photos get lost among all of the AI content and no one buys them - Will you keep producing real photos for Adobe?

« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2023, 04:27 »
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That is good for us. It means agencies will continue to need real photos for the training of their ais.

Yes, but agencies don't pay us to upload images. They only pay us if customers buy our images. And if AI images are faster and cheaper to pruduce and keep flooding Adobe like they do now and real photos get lost among all of the AI content and no one buys them - Will you keep producing real photos for Adobe?
Adobe has a filter, it allows the buyer to sort real photos and artificial ones. And such a filter is available on all stock agencies.

Conclusion, AI is a virus that infects the photo market.
And any virus must be killed!

« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2023, 04:47 »
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Adobe has a filter, it allows the buyer to sort real photos and artificial ones. And such a filter is available on all stock agencies.


Of course it has a filter. But do customers use it? If they enter their search term and get a result that servers their purpose right on the first page, will they continue to search and use a filter? Do they care enough?
I have around 10000 photos in my port and around 1000 are AI generated images, so only 10% of my port is AI generated. Yet already I am selling around 50% AI content and 50% real photos and I am not the only one: https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/ai-are-outperforming-stock-photos-on-adobe/msg588089/?topicseen#new

The more AI generated content gets added, the less real photos will be found and bought. In conclusion less real photos will be created.

I still have lots of real photos that I took in the past and still need to edit and keyword, but I haven't really found the motivation to go through the effort of shooting new real photos in months. Pretty much since the first time I used midjourney around 4 months ago I haven't done any real photos and I used to create and upload around 300 real photos each month in the past.
 I hate AI photos with a burning passion. They will kill my income eventually.
 But why should I go through all the effort of real photos if I can clearly see that customers don't give a crap about wherther a photo is real or AI generated and buy the AI contrent that is just so much easier and faster and cheaper to create all the same? I can't compete with the mass of AI content people are uploading with real photos.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2023, 04:54 by Her Ugliness »

« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2023, 04:51 »
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50% ai? With me it is just selling in the same volume like normal photos.

Perhaps I am doing the wrong genre.

ADH

« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2023, 14:23 »
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With new MJ versions coming this summer Ai illustrations will look 100% like photographs. By the end of this year, good bye stock photographers, goo bye models, good bye camera manufacturers. Unfortunately

« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2023, 19:39 »
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So it will produce wedding, birthday, family photos too (if it is good bye for camera manufacturers)? Amazing!

« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2023, 00:55 »
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So it will produce wedding, birthday, family photos too (if it is good bye for camera manufacturers)? Amazing!

Well, AI can technically do that already, all you need to do is upload a fast snapshot taken from your phone of your and your family's faces and it will indeed generate whatever photos you want with that. But that's besides the point.  I don't think your private family's birthday party photos are of that much relevance that they can sustain the whole microstock photo market or that future AI generated images can  rely to be built on the topic of privarte parties alone, especially since these photos need to be uploaded in high resolution to the internet so the AIs have access to it in the first place.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2023, 01:44 by Her Ugliness »

« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2023, 01:56 »
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I was trying to say that photography is much more than microstock. And people usually want genuine photos of their weddings etc. Maybe some composites can be done with ai for fun, but most of it must be real.

« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2023, 02:38 »
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I was trying to say that photography is much more than microstock.

Yes, of course. You are absolutely right.
But we are in a microstock forum in a thread talking about AI model collaps and what that means for the microsock bussiness, not whether people still will take photos at their kid's birthday party. So I maybe I do not understand the relation of your comment to this topic...?
« Last Edit: June 18, 2023, 02:40 by Her Ugliness »

« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2023, 03:24 »
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But we are in a microstock forum in a thread talking about AI model collaps and what that means for the microsock bussiness, not whether people still will take photos at their kid's birthday party. So I maybe I do not understand the relation of your comment to this topic...?

I responded to ADH's post below - good bye camera manufacturers. I believe camera manufacturers aren't producing cameras just for microstock, that's all. (Now I see I didn't quote his post when I responded, probably because I was on phone and it was late and so on...)

With new MJ versions coming this summer Ai illustrations will look 100% like photographs. By the end of this year, good bye stock photographers, goo bye models, good bye camera manufacturers. Unfortunately

« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2023, 10:27 »
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But we are in a microstock forum in a thread talking about AI model collaps and what that means for the microsock bussiness, not whether people still will take photos at their kid's birthday party. So I maybe I do not understand the relation of your comment to this topic...?

I responded to ADH's post below - good bye camera manufacturers. I believe camera manufacturers aren't producing cameras just for microstock, that's all.

I am sorry, I had overlooked that post. You are of course right and your statement makes sense in regards to this.

« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2023, 13:39 »
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I responded to ADH's post below - good bye camera manufacturers. I believe camera manufacturers aren't producing cameras just for microstock, that's all.

I am sorry, I had overlooked that post. You are of course right and your statement makes sense in regards to this.

All fine, thanks for explanation. :)

ShadySue

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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2023, 16:31 »
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Adobe has a filter, it allows the buyer to sort real photos and artificial ones. And such a filter is available on all stock agencies.
I don't see such a filter on iStock, and indeed neither iS nor Getty accept images "made with AI tools".

I guess you meant 'all stock agencies which accept AI', but I'm not going to try out every possible stock agency to check!

« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2023, 16:36 »
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Yes, the ones that allow ai have ai filter tools for customers.


« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2023, 17:18 »
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Assuming things are correctly labeled - which is a huge assumption when it comes to stock libraries.

« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2023, 19:47 »
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Assuming things are correctly labeled - which is a huge assumption when it comes to stock libraries.

On Adobe Stock, if you use the filter "Exclude Generative AI" and then use the search term "generative" there are somewhere around 600,000 images whose titles say they're created with Generative AI, but which aren't tagged and thus will show up in searches where buyers have explicitly said they don't want AI-created work.

Some images may make the mis-labeling obvious though :)


Uncle Pete

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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2023, 15:45 »
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Assuming things are correctly labeled - which is a huge assumption when it comes to stock libraries.

On Adobe Stock, if you use the filter "Exclude Generative AI" and then use the search term "generative" there are somewhere around 600,000 images whose titles say they're created with Generative AI, but which aren't tagged and thus will show up in searches where buyers have explicitly said they don't want AI-created work.

Some images may make the mis-labeling obvious though :)



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