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« on: May 13, 2016, 16:43 »
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Hi,
In the past Alamy was way down in the poll results...
This year all the sudden Alamy is almost going head to head with Shutterstock.
So does it mean people are making almost the same they make at Shutter?
What did change from past years???
 I am seeing Alamy 73, and Shutterstock 86.1.
 


ShadySue

« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2016, 16:59 »
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There was an urging by an msg member over on the Alamy forum for people there to start polling here.

« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2016, 18:24 »
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I wonder if some of the Alamy people are reporting the sale price instead of their take. Still, based on my experience #2 for Alamy is reasonable.

wds

« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2016, 21:18 »
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Yea, is this real? If someone said they only wanted to upload to three agencies, would Alamy be one of those three? Seems it was never close in the past??

« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2016, 02:26 »
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I just hit a new low with Alamy.   Sale price 2.23$ of which I get to keep 30% !!!

alno

« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2016, 02:39 »
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Hi,
In the past Alamy was way down in the poll results...
This year all the sudden Alamy is almost going head to head with Shutterstock.
So does it mean people are making almost the same they make at Shutter?
What did change from past years???
 I am seeing Alamy 73, and Shutterstock 86.1.

I think many people here submit videos or videos and photos both. I shoot videos only and the offer to send them a hard drive via mail is kind a nice joke for me. I would have asked them if I had to use pigeon mail to get some real old school experience. So 73 is ok. 1873 is more correct for me.

« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2016, 03:07 »
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Problem is, most MSG members dont understand the poll results...

All the agencies without a number next to them are NOT necessarily low earners - they just didnt receive the required 50 votes. You can mouse-over to see the voting results for them.

So Alamy was never actually "way down" on the list -  it simply wasnt ON the list (due to insufficient number of votes).

And the "Earnings Rating" is neither $ nor %. (100 = 500$/month)

« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2016, 04:52 »
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I don't understand, why some people care so much for Poll results. It's your sales that matter, not anybody else's.

« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2016, 04:58 »
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Do a bit of research and you should see that there are a lot of people making good money with Alamy.  It might only be a tiny fraction of their contributors that make significant earnings but if some of them are now doing the poll, it shouldn't be a surprise to see Alamy at number 2.  If I had spent all my time on Alamy and not the microstock sites, I think my earnings would be higher than SS but I would probably be earning less than all the microstock sites combined.

« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2016, 06:42 »
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Recently some contributors reported 2000+ dollar sales. So 1000 dollar net per sale. Add this in the poll and voila.... already 1 reason why Alamy is climbing. Next to that it seems indeed that people came over here to vote.

In my case i have to admit that Alamy is the only Agency that is on the move. Blogs are updated regular. Forum is alive. Contributor tools are updated time to time with one of the biggest update coming soon.

For me also the only agency where the sales are growing every month. Others in general having half revenue with double port compared to last year. To be short i think it is very realistic to see Alamy on that position.

In general i see that people are making good money on Alamy. Yes their ports are large. Much larger then microstockers in general have BUT you should not forget that those Alamy big earners on the forum are mainly editorial shooters. Creating a editorial port goes in general much faster then a commercial one. Having 10.000 editorial photos instead of 2000 commercial ones is not a strange thing.

Mirco

« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2016, 07:21 »
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It could be that they were always high but just didn't have the 50 votes needed to register as mentioned previously.  Today they have 146 votes so way over the minimum.  If somebody at the Alamy forums urged them to come here to vote, then probably only those making something decent would bother - who would go to the trouble to report zero or a very low number?  So we may be seeing voting from a select group with large portfolios that make good sales numbers.  It might be interesting to break out the Alamy votes into those who are only on Alamy or macros versus those who do MS plus Alamy - the latter would show Alamy sales relative to a similar-sized portfolio of comparable quality.  I suspect the poll results are skewed by people who get good sales there but don't submit to the micros - those with no sales there probably don't bother to come here.

« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2016, 07:30 »
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I had deep faith in Microstock Poll but after Alamy taking 2nd position, I don't trust the poll results anymore. I've never received even a single sale on Alamy so how is this possible?

« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2016, 07:35 »
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Seems like an outbreak of voters for alamy. Falling low again now.

ShadySue

« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2016, 07:53 »
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There was a low score for Alamy for years, unlike some of the agencies with no score. I'd think that if the high fliers could be bothered polling here, all would go up; however, if most people polled, all would go down.

The poll is only a bit of fun, with no real significance. E.g. nowadays I alternate whether I report Alamy or iS (exclusive) each month, as if I polled both, my iS score would go to indie rather than exclusive.

And after rising Alamy sales, though not necessarily $$s (last month more $$ than iS credits, but that's more about falling iS credit sales), this month so far not one Alamy sale. Plus I'm still waiting for over 20 unreported uses to be paid from one of their biggest customers, reported in early January. Still, that'll just be added to their sub for the month it's reported, so just less money for everyone that month. It's an iniquitous policy - we have to find our own unreported sales, go through hoops to report them all individually, in detail, on a form, rather than just accepting a search link, then wait for months for tiny payments. And now these buyers seem to have forced Alamy to sell RF editorial.  :(
One file has been used over 40 times by one site (but paid for fewer than 20); I bet you won't get 40x the RM price for RF.
Other than that, it would work well if buyers were honest. Even at UKNS prices, I've had repeat sales, adding up to a reasonable price. Currently, RF pricing on Alamy is by size of image, not by usage, so they could aggregate a huge number of prints with no EL. They might make different pricing for editorials (but I doubt it, as current RF imagery could be used millions of times for one sale, so why would this be different?)

« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2016, 09:13 »
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I surely missed the explanation,  but why is the left side ranking different than the graph? The graph shows Alamy dropping  on a more realistic 4th position.

« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2016, 12:26 »
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Just today again a Alamy contributor showed a part of his sales from yesterday. He wanted to show all his distributor sales. It where 17 sales with a net total of 640 dollars for most editorial photos. This is 640 dollars net in 1 single day only distributors.

Such a performance can only come from an Agency that is doing very well. You just have to know what to sell. In the contributor case editorial.

« Last Edit: May 14, 2016, 12:35 by MircoV »

« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2016, 12:38 »
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As I understand the chart at the right of the MSG page is a 3 month moving average. The graph is real month by month numbers.


« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2016, 13:22 »
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As I understand the chart at the right of the MSG page is a 3 month moving average. The graph is real month by month numbers.

Ok, then.
Alamy #2 was a clear abnormality 2 months ago. This abnormal position will still be reflected on the right side ranks for another month, while, in fact, Alamy is rather #4.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2016, 13:25 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2016, 16:34 »
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i have never been a big fan of alamy, as i was there with them from the inception with almost a clean 100% approval. but after a few years of zero views and not even seeing my name in the photographers list, i thought that was a bit much, considering my approval ratio and regular uploads.
so i deleted my account, and stay pretty much exclusive with ss.,
who has paid me almost monthly since my inception.

but don't get me wrong, i am not for ss to be a monopoly. i was in full support for is before they
effed themselves up our youknowwhere laughing their way to the bank selling out to getty.
it is to our benefit that more than one get as close a rating as ss
so, if it is real numbers... i say, well done alamy.

in fact i weclome 2 or more sites to get past the 50% mark, as all this will be healthy for the
contributors. by then, i will begin to upload to those sites ... including alamy.

good for you ppl who brought alamy up there. keep it up.

« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2016, 16:36 »
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p.s.
and maybe this might even push ss to start bringing us back those once regular 28 to 102 single earnings in an effort to keep us from moving our new works to alamy, and any one else that works hard to reward their contributors elsewhere.

« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2016, 14:58 »
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My sale decrease  this month i dont know what happen but i also have my photo on alamy but no more sale on it.

« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2016, 16:36 »
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It's a complete myth that Alamy is doing well. I've been a contributor there for ten years and have thousands of photos. In comparison to my other agencies they are low grade performers. The poll is doctored. 

« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2016, 03:14 »
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It's a complete myth that Alamy is doing well. I've been a contributor there for ten years and have thousands of photos. In comparison to my other agencies they are low grade performers. The poll is doctored.
Do you really think that because one person can't do well on a site, nobody else is doing well?  The fact is that if you do your research, there are many people doing well with Alamy and if they vote in the poll, it isn't doctored.

« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2016, 07:57 »
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I dont get what is the advantage for the one that doctors Alamy up?????? Then SS also could be doctored. All other agencies including low earners have chance to be doctored. Why only Alamy you think???? For me it is simple. Alamy is doing well for many and those are voting here. There are here some people reporting alamy beating SS. If you dont get many sales then it is because you make typucal microstock photos or bad keywording. One thing is sure ... Alamy has great potential.

ShadySue

« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2016, 08:40 »
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If you dont get many sales then it is because you make typucal microstock photos or bad keywording.
Or any number of other reasons.


 

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