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Title: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: StockStudio on December 13, 2018, 14:52
Have a look at this:

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28292095-2010s-space-shuttle-atlantis-lifts-off-cape (https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28292095-2010s-space-shuttle-atlantis-lifts-off-cape)

The only source for this footage is NASA.

What the...???
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: derby on December 13, 2018, 15:07
NASA gives public domain rights to its media, it's only due to give credits for what I know
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: StockStudio on December 13, 2018, 15:31
NASA gives public domain rights to its media, it's only due to give credits for what I know

So...?
What your'e saying is if I give them credit I can start making money from all their archive footage??
Doesn't sound right to me.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Shelma1 on December 13, 2018, 15:32
Looks like his whole portfolio is public domain footage.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Shelma1 on December 13, 2018, 15:33
"In 2000, Ray founded DVArchive.com, an internet based stock footage library with the intent of making the imagery from his extensive travels available to a wide variety of film and media producers.

Ray’s imagery of the world is now carried by most of the world’s major stock footage libraries including Shutterstock, Pond5 and Adobe Stock."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ray
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: StockStudio on December 13, 2018, 16:09
"In 2000, Ray founded DVArchive.com, an internet based stock footage library with the intent of making the imagery from his extensive travels available to a wide variety of film and media producers.

Ray’s imagery of the world is now carried by most of the world’s major stock footage libraries including Shutterstock, Pond5 and Adobe Stock."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ray

This blows my mind.
This guy has 1500 NASA clips on his website that he sells for $99 each.
This might be the best stock footage business model I heard of - Make huge amounts of money from footage that's not even yours.
If I was one of the American contributors here I would stop everything and RUN to find these Beta SP tapes in the NASA archives and give this man some competition...

Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on December 13, 2018, 16:26
It's the same thing as all those pictures of Earth floating in space that were all the rage among a group of microstockers a decade or so back (might still be for all I know, but I think there was some kind of crackdown on them).  There are lots of space images available from NASA.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: seamless on December 13, 2018, 17:23
You're not crazy, it's illegal what he does.

Nasa footage and images are in the public domain indeed but you cannot resell them as stock.
Shutterstock says it themselves that you can only submit NASA footage if you use it in a creative way to make something new and add in the description that parts of the image were done with NASA images.

Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Shelma1 on December 13, 2018, 18:13
I think special people must get special dispensation from the pope, and special select prices. Surely his footage was uploaded and approved by someone at SS and he didn't go through the same process as the hoi polloi.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Brasilnut on December 13, 2018, 18:31
He's either a genius or incredibly stupid/naive. I'm betting on the latter.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: obj owl on December 13, 2018, 19:11
He's either a genius or incredibly stupid/naive. I'm betting on the latter.

He's neither, just someone who knows how to and is willing to play the system.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: derby on December 13, 2018, 19:59
You're not crazy, it's illegal what he does.

Nasa footage and images are in the public domain indeed but you cannot resell them as stock.
Shutterstock says it themselves that you can only submit NASA footage if you use it in a creative way to make something new and add in the description that parts of the image were done with NASA images.

Public domain means public domain. Where have you read that you have to use it in creative way?
Is there a link about this? Just to understand, because I don't think this is correct
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: derby on December 13, 2018, 20:03
"In 2000, Ray founded DVArchive.com, an internet based stock footage library with the intent of making the imagery from his extensive travels available to a wide variety of film and media producers.

Ray’s imagery of the world is now carried by most of the world’s major stock footage libraries including Shutterstock, Pond5 and Adobe Stock."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ray

This blows my mind.
This guy has 1500 NASA clips on his website that he sells for $99 each.
This might be the best stock footage business model I heard of - Make huge amounts of money from footage that's not even yours.
If I was one of the American contributors here I would stop everything and RUN to find these Beta SP tapes in the NASA archives and give this man some competition...

Yes exactly, anyone else can do the same. Clients are not forced to buy these clips, you can obtain that for free.
But probably you also have to do the job of transposing a lot of footage from many different sources in something good and ready to use, I think this is the trick and it is a very hard work, not easy not simple and not free for sure
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: obj owl on December 13, 2018, 20:10
Here is the shutterstock guidance
https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006554 (https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006554)

NASA have few of their own https://www.shutterstock.com/g/NASA+images (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/NASA+images)
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Shelma1 on December 13, 2018, 20:16
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: qunamax on December 13, 2018, 20:51
I might be missing something but why would I buy this guy's footage instead of getting it for free from where he took them?
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Brasilnut on December 13, 2018, 21:00
I might be missing something but why would I buy this guy's footage instead of getting it for free from where he took them?

A buyer may not necessarily know they're available for free elsewhere.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: davidbautista on December 13, 2018, 21:46
I might be missing something but why would I buy this guy's footage instead of getting it for free from where he took them?

A buyer may not necessarily know they're available for free elsewhere.
But is that illegal?

What happen if I uploaded a picture to Wikipedia (so it's now public domain or something like that) but it's also available to license in SS? Is that illegal?
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: ravens on December 14, 2018, 02:10
From Shutterstock guidelines "If you submit images that incorporate NASA elements that are in the public domain, Shutterstock may accept the image as long as the following text is included in the title for that image:  “Elements of this image furnished by NASA.”

To me his uploads don't actually fit the guidelines. They don't "incorporate" anything nor there is any reference.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: qwerty on December 14, 2018, 02:42
There was a massive blow up about this at Istock years ago where people were just uploading nasa images with no changes etc. I think a lot of the agencies are okay if you make a composite with the NASA images eg picture of the earth in composite with gold fish jumping over business call centre woman answering phone etc.

If you are going to upload unedited public domain images/footage I think you should remove artist from your title.

Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Not Today on December 14, 2018, 02:46
Maybe we should report him to NASA, instead of going to SS for help.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: ThomasAndreas on December 14, 2018, 02:50
there is an explanation in his own website...

apparently they only charge a 'modest' fee for 'preparing', 'resizing', 'transferring' and 'improving' the PD clips... and it's all legal in the name of 'preservation'... but if by a 'slight chance' there is a copyright infringement... the user that downloads and uses the clip is liable and not the distributor. How convenient...
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: StockStudio on December 14, 2018, 15:07
there is an explanation in his own website...

apparently they only charge a 'modest' fee for 'preparing', 'resizing', 'transferring' and 'improving' the PD clips... and it's all legal in the name of 'preservation'... but if by a 'slight chance' there is a copyright infringement... the user that downloads and uses the clip is liable and not the distributor. How convenient...


This whole thing makes me feel like such an idiot running all these years with cameras trying to shoot thousends of high quality clips.
He is defenitly smarter than us.
"Get your money for nothin' get your chicks for free"
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: everest on December 14, 2018, 15:49
I am baffled .............. :-\
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: lostintimeline on December 14, 2018, 18:45
great nasa.com is it? NASA here i come .litrerally ;D
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: lostintimeline on December 14, 2018, 18:45
great nasa.com is it? NASA here i come .literally ;D
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: aitor on December 19, 2018, 03:00
Hello,

I sent one image to test it and it was refused, so I have written to suppot:

Hello,

You refused this image by:

NASA Restriction: We cannot accept unaltered NASA images.

However, I see that this user have thousands of videos unaltered:

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28292095-2010s-space-shuttle-atlantis-lifts-off-cape (https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28292095-2010s-space-shuttle-atlantis-lifts-off-cape)

I also read on your documentation here:

https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006554 (https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006554)

That:

There is, however, one small exception to this policy. If you submit images that incorporate NASA elements that are in the public domain, Shutterstock may accept the image as long as the following text is included in the title for that image:  “Elements of this image furnished by NASA.”

In my content, it referred to the content being of the nasa. What is the cause of rejection if I do not violate your own conditions? Thank you.
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: Uncle Pete on December 19, 2018, 17:13
Hello,

I sent one image to test it and it was refused, so I have written to suppot:

Hello,

You refused this image by:

NASA Restriction: We cannot accept unaltered NASA images.

However, I see that this user have thousands of videos unaltered:

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28292095-2010s-space-shuttle-atlantis-lifts-off-cape (https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28292095-2010s-space-shuttle-atlantis-lifts-off-cape)

I also read on your documentation here:

https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006554 (https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006554)

That:

There is, however, one small exception to this policy. If you submit images that incorporate NASA elements that are in the public domain, Shutterstock may accept the image as long as the following text is included in the title for that image:  “Elements of this image furnished by NASA.”

In my content, it referred to the content being of the nasa. What is the cause of rejection if I do not violate your own conditions? Thank you.

Good luck, please come back if you get an answer. Makes me wonder if it's some news agency with that content included or Nasa itself. Otherwise, just taking stabs at how, they were uploaded before 2012 when SS stopped taking this, so they stayed? I have no argument with you, as these clips are not allowed. Just trying to guess at how they got accepted and so many of them?
Title: Re: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock???
Post by: aitor on December 19, 2018, 18:14
They sent me a canned answer without answering my questions, so I insisted.