Author Topic: Am I crazy or is this guy selling news footage as Editorial stock??? (Read 12140 times)

StockStudio · « **on:** December 13, 2018, 14:52 »

Have a look at this:

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-28292095-2010s-space-shuttle-atlantis-lifts-off-cape

The only source for this footage is NASA.

What the...

derby · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2018, 15:07 »

NASA gives public domain rights to its media, it's only due to give credits for what I know

StockStudio · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2018, 15:31 »

Quote from: derby on December 13, 2018, 15:07

NASA gives public domain rights to its media, it's only due to give credits for what I know

So...?
What your'e saying is if I give them credit I can start making money from all their archive footage??
Doesn't sound right to me.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2018, 15:32 »

Looks like his whole portfolio is public domain footage.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2018, 15:33 »

"In 2000, Ray founded DVArchive.com, an internet based stock footage library with the intent of making the imagery from his extensive travels available to a wide variety of film and media producers.

Ray’s imagery of the world is now carried by most of the world’s major stock footage libraries including Shutterstock, Pond5 and Adobe Stock."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ray

StockStudio · « **Reply #5 on:** December 13, 2018, 16:09 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on December 13, 2018, 15:33

"In 2000, Ray founded DVArchive.com, an internet based stock footage library with the intent of making the imagery from his extensive travels available to a wide variety of film and media producers.

Ray’s imagery of the world is now carried by most of the world’s major stock footage libraries including Shutterstock, Pond5 and Adobe Stock."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ray

This blows my mind.
This guy has 1500 NASA clips on his website that he sells for $99 each.
This might be the best stock footage business model I heard of - Make huge amounts of money from footage that's not even yours.
If I was one of the American contributors here I would stop everything and RUN to find these Beta SP tapes in the NASA archives and give this man some competition...

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #6 on:** December 13, 2018, 16:26 »

It's the same thing as all those pictures of Earth floating in space that were all the rage among a group of microstockers a decade or so back (might still be for all I know, but I think there was some kind of crackdown on them). There are lots of space images available from NASA.

seamless · « **Reply #7 on:** December 13, 2018, 17:23 »

You're not crazy, it's illegal what he does.

Nasa footage and images are in the public domain indeed but you cannot resell them as stock.
Shutterstock says it themselves that you can only submit NASA footage if you use it in a creative way to make something new and add in the description that parts of the image were done with NASA images.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 13, 2018, 18:13 »

I think special people must get special dispensation from the pope, and special select prices. Surely his footage was uploaded and approved by someone at SS and he didn't go through the same process as the hoi polloi.

Brasilnut · « **Reply #9 on:** December 13, 2018, 18:31 »

He's either a genius or incredibly stupid/naive. I'm betting on the latter.

obj owl · « **Reply #10 on:** December 13, 2018, 19:11 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on December 13, 2018, 18:31

He's either a genius or incredibly stupid/naive. I'm betting on the latter.

He's neither, just someone who knows how to and is willing to play the system.

derby · « **Reply #11 on:** December 13, 2018, 19:59 »

Quote from: seamless on December 13, 2018, 17:23

You're not crazy, it's illegal what he does.

Nasa footage and images are in the public domain indeed but you cannot resell them as stock.
Shutterstock says it themselves that you can only submit NASA footage if you use it in a creative way to make something new and add in the description that parts of the image were done with NASA images.

Public domain means public domain. Where have you read that you have to use it in creative way?
Is there a link about this? Just to understand, because I don't think this is correct

derby · « **Reply #12 on:** December 13, 2018, 20:03 »

Quote from: StockStudio on December 13, 2018, 16:09

Quote from: Shelma1 on December 13, 2018, 15:33
"In 2000, Ray founded DVArchive.com, an internet based stock footage library with the intent of making the imagery from his extensive travels available to a wide variety of film and media producers.

Ray’s imagery of the world is now carried by most of the world’s major stock footage libraries including Shutterstock, Pond5 and Adobe Stock."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ray

This blows my mind.
This guy has 1500 NASA clips on his website that he sells for $99 each.
This might be the best stock footage business model I heard of - Make huge amounts of money from footage that's not even yours.
If I was one of the American contributors here I would stop everything and RUN to find these Beta SP tapes in the NASA archives and give this man some competition...

Yes exactly, anyone else can do the same. Clients are not forced to buy these clips, you can obtain that for free.
But probably you also have to do the job of transposing a lot of footage from many different sources in something good and ready to use, I think this is the trick and it is a very hard work, not easy not simple and not free for sure

obj owl · « **Reply #13 on:** December 13, 2018, 20:10 »

Here is the shutterstock guidance
https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006554

NASA have few of their own https://www.shutterstock.com/g/NASA+images

Shelma1 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 13, 2018, 20:16 »

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

qunamax · « **Reply #15 on:** December 13, 2018, 20:51 »

I might be missing something but why would I buy this guy's footage instead of getting it for free from where he took them?

Brasilnut · « **Reply #16 on:** December 13, 2018, 21:00 »

Quote from: qunamax on December 13, 2018, 20:51

I might be missing something but why would I buy this guy's footage instead of getting it for free from where he took them?

A buyer may not necessarily know they're available for free elsewhere.

davidbautista · « **Reply #17 on:** December 13, 2018, 21:46 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on December 13, 2018, 21:00

Quote from: qunamax on December 13, 2018, 20:51
I might be missing something but why would I buy this guy's footage instead of getting it for free from where he took them?

A buyer may not necessarily know they're available for free elsewhere.

But is that illegal?

What happen if I uploaded a picture to Wikipedia (so it's now public domain or something like that) but it's also available to license in SS? Is that illegal?

ravens · « **Reply #18 on:** December 14, 2018, 02:10 »

From Shutterstock guidelines "If you submit images that incorporate NASA elements that are in the public domain, Shutterstock may accept the image as long as the following text is included in the title for that image: “Elements of this image furnished by NASA.”

To me his uploads don't actually fit the guidelines. They don't "incorporate" anything nor there is any reference.

qwerty · « **Reply #19 on:** December 14, 2018, 02:42 »

There was a massive blow up about this at Istock years ago where people were just uploading nasa images with no changes etc. I think a lot of the agencies are okay if you make a composite with the NASA images eg picture of the earth in composite with gold fish jumping over business call centre woman answering phone etc.

If you are going to upload unedited public domain images/footage I think you should remove artist from your title.

Not Today · « **Reply #20 on:** December 14, 2018, 02:46 »

Maybe we should report him to NASA, instead of going to SS for help.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 14, 2018, 02:50 »

there is an explanation in his own website...

apparently they only charge a 'modest' fee for 'preparing', 'resizing', 'transferring' and 'improving' the PD clips... and it's all legal in the name of 'preservation'... but if by a 'slight chance' there is a copyright infringement... the user that downloads and uses the clip is liable and not the distributor. How convenient...

StockStudio · « **Reply #22 on:** December 14, 2018, 15:07 »

Quote from: ThomasAndreas on December 14, 2018, 02:50

there is an explanation in his own website...

apparently they only charge a 'modest' fee for 'preparing', 'resizing', 'transferring' and 'improving' the PD clips... and it's all legal in the name of 'preservation'... but if by a 'slight chance' there is a copyright infringement... the user that downloads and uses the clip is liable and not the distributor. How convenient...

This whole thing makes me feel like such an idiot running all these years with cameras trying to shoot thousends of high quality clips.
He is defenitly smarter than us.
"Get your money for nothin' get your chicks for free"

everest · « **Reply #23 on:** December 14, 2018, 15:49 »

I am baffled .............. $:-\$

lostintimeline · « **Reply #24 on:** December 14, 2018, 18:45 »

great nasa.com is it? NASA here i come .litrerally

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