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ribtoks

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« on: October 23, 2023, 02:36 »
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I was wondering if anybody was seriously using ChatGPT for work (e.g. keywording, DCMA, anything else), related to microstocks. If so, what did you do and how did it work?


« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2023, 03:49 »
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It's easy to ask all community than actually use a tool called search for it first isn't it? eheheh
i give you a clue. use it. ;)

Topic: ChatGPT AI Actually creates good keywords

ribtoks

  • Founder of Xpiks
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2023, 04:03 »
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It's easy to ask all community than actually use a tool called search for it first isn't it?

Have you tried using your own tip? Did you find in search any results relevant to microstocks?

I'm asking about a personal experience, relevant to microstocks. Not "how to use ChatGPT for photography".

« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2023, 05:03 »
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It's easy to ask all community than actually use a tool called search for it first isn't it?

Have you tried using your own tip? Did you find in search any results relevant to microstocks?

I'm asking about a personal experience, relevant to microstocks. Not "how to use ChatGPT for photography".

Probably i was not clear since i was trying to make a joke and respond to you at same time what you are asking. But I can guarantee that the joke is not on you but on the situation: it involves AI and the type of responses that Chatgpt sometimes makes if you ask him to play a role.

This time I'm going to try to keep more unboxed: Yes. ChatGPT AI actually creates good keywords. My advice/tip is use it!

However i did try to ask Chatgpt, without role playing,  your question.
Here is the result:

"As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, ChatGPT, like other AI models, was not typically used in the context of microstock photography or similar industries. Microstock refers to the sale of stock photos, illustrations, and other digital media through online platforms, often for a lower cost than traditional stock photography.

However, AI and machine learning technologies have been applied in various ways in the field of photography. This might include image recognition, automated tagging, and content recommendation systems. These technologies can help streamline the process of managing and searching for stock images, but it's typically not the AI model like ChatGPT that is directly involved in these tasks.

If there have been any developments or specific applications of ChatGPT or similar AI models in the microstock industry since my last update, I would not have that information. I recommend checking with the latest industry news or consulting with professionals in the field for the most up-to-date information on AI usage in microstock and related sectors."






 
« Last Edit: October 23, 2023, 05:11 by Evaristo tenscadisto »

« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2023, 05:14 »
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I have used it, and overall it's very difficult to get good consistent results - such that I've found doing it the "old school" way is much better. I now usually use from time to time just to "complement" my original workflow (but even then, debating its usefulness because of the extra time required to sort through crap).

It basically:

a) Gives you lots of irrelevant crap, no matter how much you tweak it.

b) On the off chance you get relevant/useful items (it happens) - it gets "bored" and then will change the output to give you useless, irrelevant crap

c) Sometimes you get "useable" stuff - but you really have to verify it (because it then likes to get bored and give you useless, irrelevant crap or just outright garbage, probably to see if you were paying attention)...

d) It has been trained to be a "social justice warrior" - so anything that is slightly not in line with the "approved mainstream t.v./govt narrative" on pretty much ANY topic, it acts like a very condescending ____... I.e., for fun, type in something like "climate change is actually manmade designed to push a carbon tax to tax people more to try to take their wealth and restrict their movement" (tons of patents to this effect, plus actual news articles saying 'yep, we're spraying the sky with chemicals "for your safety & protection"'), or question the "covid" narrative (i.e., the shots actually do cause cancer/infertility/etc, which was by design, not accident, the "mathsks" actually did have poisonson them to "make ppl sick" & fearful to try and manipulate them into getting shots/etc) - and then the chatgpt it almost has a panic attack and looks like it will blow a circuit... it goes "NO NO NO NO! it is 100% true all the garbage spewed on t.v.! how DARE you question that! OH NO NO NO NO!"... if you ask it for words that one might search when searching... let's say, a "black" person (to get say 'african american, african, carribean, etc)... - it automatically goes into "panic" mode trying to "scold" you on "racial sensitivities" and how "dare" you be so "racially insensitive" (yet totally 100% happy to give you derogatory terms to describe "white" people)... If you want to have some REAL "fun" - ask it ANYTHING about a politician in pretty much any country who is not a current media darling (i.e., who the television says its ABSOLUTELY wonderful), and try to say the opposite and see how chatgpt responds, lol...

e) The "dataset" you have access to is not the same dataset the "owners" have. You have access to just a small subset (and in fact, I'd say people are being used to "train" it to be more useful to the owners). So lots of "gaps" in "information" it has.

It will, every now and then, provide somewhat useful content.

So you then have to decide, is it worth your time to sort through the useless crap, to find actual, useable content?

For VERY "basic" tasks, you may find it useful. And I mean SUPER basic.

That being said - it is possible someone has figured out a better way (and good way) of getting actual useable content from it. And I'm sure some people have.

As of yet - for myself - I have not yet figured out an efficient way of getting consistent, useable information.


« Last Edit: October 23, 2023, 05:23 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2023, 05:16 »
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What query did you use to get "good" keywords, and how many were you able to get at a time?

I've found generally speaking the results have been inconsistent, and limited. How were you able to get good results?

It's easy to ask all community than actually use a tool called search for it first isn't it?

Have you tried using your own tip? Did you find in search any results relevant to microstocks?

I'm asking about a personal experience, relevant to microstocks. Not "how to use ChatGPT for photography".

Probably i was not clear since i was trying to make a joke and respond to you at same time what you are asking. But I can guarantee that the joke is not on you but on the situation: it involves AI and the type of responses that Chatgpt sometimes makes if you ask him to play a role.

This time I'm going to try to keep more unboxed: Yes. ChatGPT AI actually creates good keywords. My advice/tip is use it!

However i did try to ask Chatgpt, without role playing,  your question.
Here is the result:

"As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, ChatGPT, like other AI models, was not typically used in the context of microstock photography or similar industries. Microstock refers to the sale of stock photos, illustrations, and other digital media through online platforms, often for a lower cost than traditional stock photography.

However, AI and machine learning technologies have been applied in various ways in the field of photography. This might include image recognition, automated tagging, and content recommendation systems. These technologies can help streamline the process of managing and searching for stock images, but it's typically not the AI model like ChatGPT that is directly involved in these tasks.

If there have been any developments or specific applications of ChatGPT or similar AI models in the microstock industry since my last update, I would not have that information. I recommend checking with the latest industry news or consulting with professionals in the field for the most up-to-date information on AI usage in microstock and related sectors."

« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2023, 05:21 »
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I was wondering if anybody was seriously using ChatGPT for work (e.g. keywording, DCMA, anything else), related to microstocks. If so, what did you do and how did it work?
Don't waste your time, 90% of this ChatGPT only produces garbage.
ChatGPT only makes sense to use when selecting tags for very unique frames for which tags have not yet been invented.

« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2023, 05:22 »
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I will say this, this ChatGPT may offer no more than 10 tags on the topic, but it does not offer anything new.

ribtoks

  • Founder of Xpiks
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2023, 05:27 »
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I have used it, and overall it's very difficult to get good consistent results - such that I've found doing it the "old school" way is much better. I now usually use from time to time just to "complement" my original workflow (but even then, debating its usefulness because of the extra time required to sort through crap).
...
As of yet - for myself - I have not yet figured out an efficient way of getting consistent, useable information.

Thank you for your detailed response! This was largely my experience too. But still I was interested if anybody managed to make any use of it.

By the way, did you use free version (GPT 3.5) or Pro (GPT-4)?

« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2023, 06:04 »
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I have used it, and overall it's very difficult to get good consistent results - such that I've found doing it the "old school" way is much better. I now usually use from time to time just to "complement" my original workflow (but even then, debating its usefulness because of the extra time required to sort through crap).
...
As of yet - for myself - I have not yet figured out an efficient way of getting consistent, useable information.

Thank you for your detailed response! This was largely my experience too. But still I was interested if anybody managed to make any use of it.

By the way, did you use free version (GPT 3.5) or Pro (GPT-4)?

Used the free version (3.5).

Was considering trying/using the paid version, but haven't yet. So that was my experience with the "free" version.

« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2023, 06:24 »
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I've never used it for keywording, but it has been a great sparring partner for me in learning Illustrator scripting, which I have used to make algorithmic-based stock vectors.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2023, 06:35 »
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...so anything that is slightly not in line with the "approved mainstream t.v./govt narrative"...
Okay, sounds bad

"climate change ... designed to push a carbon tax to tax people more to try to take their wealth and restrict their movement"...
...we're spraying the sky with chemicals "for your safety & protection"'...
...the shots actually do cause cancer/infertility/etc, which was by design...
"mathsks" actually did have poisonson them to "make ppl sick"...

 ???
LOL

« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2023, 06:47 »
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how did this topic turn into conspiracy theories!!!?
PS Climate change is real

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2023, 07:08 »
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Honestly the forum is getting full of it. Hard to keep track of who's a "their among us guy", who's a Q guy, whos a chem trail guy, a white replacement theory guy, a the neo-Marxists are out to get us guy,  a far right ethnonationalist or libertarian, an incel/ misogynist on and on.

Guess it's the destiny of all online forums eventually. The people who are put off by the madness slowly just back out the room. It just isnt a pleasant place to hang out.

« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2023, 07:35 »
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I tested the free chatGPT version for some jobs to add it in my workflow.
In general terms, if you are looking for specific answers, the time to write down your needs and to check the answers is longer than to do it by yourself.

Keywording: I tried to use the free version asking for creating keyword list, and also to order the list by relevance (useful for Adobe), but of course you have good result only if you describe in detail the image you want to tag. And writing down a detailed description takes more time than thinking about the keyword by yourself.

What to shoot: I've also tried to have some suggestions about "what to shoot"; I found answers always very generic and at the end useless. Sure, you can focus your questions: but, as for keywording, if you want to be specific, the time to write down and describe what you are looking for is longer than the time you would spent to think about a subject.

After my tests my conclusion is that ChatGPT can be useful for very automatic and/or repetitive jobs: for example, to tag hundred of images. But for one, or short series, of image, is useless. You can gain some idea about single terms of course, but it takes time.

BUT
There is something interesting (and useful!) about the use of this automation: it gives you the time to think different.
I see a good comparison with the time when the "non linear" movie editing overtook the analogic scissors cut of the celluloid filmstrip.
Well, in that case the movie editor saw suddenly disappearing the time to think where to cut and how to assemble, because the computer can do the same in an instant.
Editors was in a big worry: there will be no time to think about creativity!!

...But now, several years after, we can see the results: the coputers are a big help, a big tool, but they have not deleted the editor job at all.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2023, 07:43 by derby »

« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2023, 09:22 »
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Honestly the forum is getting full of it. Hard to keep track of who's a "their among us guy", who's a Q guy, whos a chem trail guy, a white replacement theory guy, a the neo-Marxists are out to get us guy,  a far right ethnonationalist or libertarian, an incel/ misogynist on and on.

Guess it's the destiny of all online forums eventually. The people who are put off by the madness slowly just back out the room. It just isnt a pleasant place to hang out.

Haha, does that make you  the 'believes 100% everything on t.v. and totally obedient to what the newspapers say' guy? :) BTW - probably if you are finding a lot of people are trying to get through to you... then it might be worth looking into/using your own thinking to look at its merit... There is most certainly a difference between a "conspiracy theory", and just plain old "conspiracy"... (as well as the label 'conspiracy theory' is a tactic to make someone short-circuit their thinking, and just automatically try to 'dismiss' something without looking at the merit of it). But, I do understand with years of schooling for most people - being taught to be 'obedient to authority', and that 'authority is right without question', it can be hard to break out of that thinking to see things as they really are... Good luck.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2023, 09:36 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2023, 09:25 »
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how did this topic turn into conspiracy theories!!!?
PS Climate change is real

lol, well, it's true - climate does change every day. Sometimes its warm, sometimes its cold. Certainly not what the t.v. would lead you to believe though - that YOU - because you breathed out and drove your car a mile today, are responsible for 100's of acres of clear cutting of brazillian forests by corporation and the private gas guzzling jets, therefore need to sell your car, buy a bike, and put a VR headset and stay at home to work remotely... :P


« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2023, 09:26 »
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I've never used it for keywording, but it has been a great sparring partner for me in learning Illustrator scripting, which I have used to make algorithmic-based stock vectors.

I have found for basic scripting it can be good... but if you try and get anything a little more sophisicated (i.e., say sophisticated patterns, etc) it does a really poor job.

« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2023, 09:39 »
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Yes, I have found it somewhat useful for very specific use cases, in some ways I suppose it is a slightly better version of google (in terms of 'natural language parsing', i.e., inputting text sentences)... you still need to do thinking to see whether the answer is accurate & useful to your specific case...

...
...But now, several years after, we can see the results: the coputers are a big help, a big tool, but they have not deleted the editor job at all.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2023, 12:44 »
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Honestly the forum is getting full of it. Hard to keep track of who's a "their among us guy", who's a Q guy, whos a chem trail guy, a white replacement theory guy, a the neo-Marxists are out to get us guy,  a far right ethnonationalist or libertarian, an incel/ misogynist on and on.

Guess it's the destiny of all online forums eventually. The people who are put off by the madness slowly just back out the room. It just isnt a pleasant place to hang out.

Haha, does that make you  the 'believes 100% everything on t.v. and totally obedient to what the newspapers say' guy? :) BTW - probably if you are finding a lot of people are trying to get through to you... then it might be worth looking into/using your own thinking to look at its merit... There is most certainly a difference between a "conspiracy theory", and just plain old "conspiracy"... (as well as the label 'conspiracy theory' is a tactic to make someone short-circuit their thinking, and just automatically try to 'dismiss' something without looking at the merit of it). But, I do understand with years of schooling for most people - being taught to be 'obedient to authority', and that 'authority is right without question', it can be hard to break out of that thinking to see things as they really are... Good luck.

"    Historical Exploitation: Throughout history, colonial powers, often led by European males, have oppressed and exploited indigenous populations in various parts of the world. This exploitation included forced labor, land theft, and cultural suppression.

    Slavery: The transatlantic slave trade, largely driven by European powers, resulted in the forced enslavement of millions of Africans. This brutal system of oppression led to centuries of suffering and continued racial disparities.

    Racial Discrimination: Discriminatory practices, including segregation and institutional racism, have marginalized racial and ethnic minorities in many societies. This discrimination has resulted in disparities in education, employment, housing, and criminal justice, among other areas.

    Stereotyping and Prejudice: Minorities often face stereotypes and prejudice perpetuated by the dominant culture, which can lead to bias in various aspects of life, including employment, education, and social interactions.

    Cultural Appropriation: The appropriation of cultural elements from minority groups by those in power can lead to the erasure of cultural identity and perpetuate harmful stereotypes.

    Unequal Access to Resources: Systemic disparities in access to resources, including economic opportunities, healthcare, and quality education, can disproportionately affect minority communities.

    Violence and Hate Crimes: Hate crimes and racially motivated violence can target minority individuals and communities, causing physical harm and psychological trauma.

    Disproportionate Incarceration: Racial and ethnic minorities, particularly in the United States, are often overrepresented in the criminal justice system, facing harsher sentences and unfair treatment.

    Political Disenfranchisement: Minority groups have historically faced barriers to political participation, including voting restrictions and gerrymandering, which can limit their ability to have a voice in decision-making."

Wow those evil WASPs?

Back on topic, it would be nice if AI could look at an image and say, here are keywords, for us. On the other hand, isn't that what keyword suggestions already do on Adobe, SS and DT, for example?

Or is there something in "please generate good keywords for an image of sliced vegetables" and then we use the results to add to are already thoughtful keywords?

Hey, not bad? I see some I could use.

    Sliced vegetables
    Fresh produce
    Culinary preparation
    Food preparation
    Chopped veggies
    Colorful ingredients
    Healthy cooking
    Salad ingredients
    Kitchen ingredients
    Food diversity
    Vibrant colors
    Nutrient-rich
    Cooking ingredients
    Culinary art
    Ingredient diversity
    Sliced carrots
    Chopped bell peppers
    Vegetable medley
    Knife skills
    Nutritious meal prep

I'm happy the Chat GPT 3.5 supports "Ingredient Diversity" for vegetables.  ;)

« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2023, 14:45 »
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I tried ChatGPT 3.5 free for keyboarding based on the image description, but it produces a lot of garbage. It takes a lot of time to clean up.

« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2023, 17:01 »
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Back on topic, it would be nice if AI could look at an image and say, here are keywords, for us. On the other hand, isn't that what keyword suggestions already do on Adobe, SS and DT, for example?

Midjourney has a nice option, to /describe an image for reprompting. You have to upload an image and you can obtain 4 different descriptions, descriptions that often contain useful specific terms and look good for chatGPT when you ask for keywording.
Unfortunately, the time to:
1- produce a good image
2- upload to midjourney and ask for descriptions
3- check descriptions and use them to obtain good keyword list from chatGPT
4- check the keywording ChatGPT job to find out how accurate is it, what to delete, and the right keywords order in alphabetical order

... is by far longer than simply do the usual semi manual keywording
« Last Edit: October 23, 2023, 17:03 by derby »

« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2023, 17:42 »
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Just tried it...very good. Use regenerate to get a whole new set of words.

ribtoks

  • Founder of Xpiks
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2023, 00:56 »
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I've never used it for keywording, but it has been a great sparring partner for me in learning Illustrator scripting, which I have used to make algorithmic-based stock vectors.

This is really cool! Can you share any "hello world" example what exactly did you do? All things aside (e.g. microstock, money etc.), it sounds just like quite a unique and fun thing to do! (you could send a DM, if you don't want to share publicly)

P.S. I don't mean the code of any of your algorithm-based picture, but more of things that surround that, e.g. how did you create an illustrator plugin/script, what did you ask ChatGPT to help with exactly etc.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2023, 01:02 by ribtoks »

« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2023, 01:14 »
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Honestly the forum is getting full of it. Hard to keep track of who's a "their among us guy", who's a Q guy, whos a chem trail guy, a white replacement theory guy, a the neo-Marxists are out to get us guy,  a far right ethnonationalist or libertarian, an incel/ misogynist on and on.

Guess it's the destiny of all online forums eventually. The people who are put off by the madness slowly just back out the room. It just isnt a pleasant place to hang out.

Haha, does that make you  the 'believes 100% everything on t.v. and totally obedient to what the newspapers say' guy? :) BTW - probably if you are finding a lot of people are trying to get through to you... then it might be worth looking into/using your own thinking to look at its merit... There is most certainly a difference between a "conspiracy theory", and just plain old "conspiracy"... (as well as the label 'conspiracy theory' is a tactic to make someone short-circuit their thinking, and just automatically try to 'dismiss' something without looking at the merit of it). But, I do understand with years of schooling for most people - being taught to be 'obedient to authority', and that 'authority is right without question', it can be hard to break out of that thinking to see things as they really are... Good luck.

"    Historical Exploitation: Throughout history, colonial powers, often led by European males, have oppressed and exploited indigenous populations in various parts of the world. This exploitation included forced labor, land theft, and cultural suppression.

    Slavery: The transatlantic slave trade, largely driven by European powers, resulted in the forced enslavement of millions of Africans. This brutal system of oppression led to centuries of suffering and continued racial disparities.

    Racial Discrimination: Discriminatory practices, including segregation and institutional racism, have marginalized racial and ethnic minorities in many societies. This discrimination has resulted in disparities in education, employment, housing, and criminal justice, among other areas.

    Stereotyping and Prejudice: Minorities often face stereotypes and prejudice perpetuated by the dominant culture, which can lead to bias in various aspects of life, including employment, education, and social interactions.

    Cultural Appropriation: The appropriation of cultural elements from minority groups by those in power can lead to the erasure of cultural identity and perpetuate harmful stereotypes.

    Unequal Access to Resources: Systemic disparities in access to resources, including economic opportunities, healthcare, and quality education, can disproportionately affect minority communities.

    Violence and Hate Crimes: Hate crimes and racially motivated violence can target minority individuals and communities, causing physical harm and psychological trauma.

    Disproportionate Incarceration: Racial and ethnic minorities, particularly in the United States, are often overrepresented in the criminal justice system, facing harsher sentences and unfair treatment.

    Political Disenfranchisement: Minority groups have historically faced barriers to political participation, including voting restrictions and gerrymandering, which can limit their ability to have a voice in decision-making."

Wow those evil WASPs?

Back on topic, it would be nice if AI could look at an image and say, here are keywords, for us. On the other hand, isn't that what keyword suggestions already do on Adobe, SS and DT, for example?

Or is there something in "please generate good keywords for an image of sliced vegetables" and then we use the results to add to are already thoughtful keywords?

Hey, not bad? I see some I could use.

    Sliced vegetables
    Fresh produce
    Culinary preparation
    Food preparation
    Chopped veggies
    Colorful ingredients
    Healthy cooking
    Salad ingredients
    Kitchen ingredients
    Food diversity
    Vibrant colors
    Nutrient-rich
    Cooking ingredients
    Culinary art
    Ingredient diversity
    Sliced carrots
    Chopped bell peppers
    Vegetable medley
    Knife skills
    Nutritious meal prep

I'm happy the Chat GPT 3.5 supports "Ingredient Diversity" for vegetables.  ;)

Hi Pete! :)

Not sure if this was a reply to me, or the other fellow? Anyways, curious - what was your reply in reference too (or what you were trying to say?) But digressing for a second (then getting back to "ai", which isn't true "ai", simply sophisicated theft & pattern re-arrangement)... re: "wasps" - it's important to remember the distinction of "who" is actually doing that kind of thing... i.e., have you (or anyone you know) "personally" appropriated someones land, personally engaged in "slave trade", personally engaged in 'discriminatory' behaviour, personally done cultural appropriate, etc, etc,?

Chances are no. I'd say you, probably like most people - generally are good people and do your best to do the right thing. HOWEVER... I would agree that there are a small group of psychopaths (not just "white", but black/asian/indian/jewish/christian/buddist/etc/etc) - as george carlin said "its a big club & you ain't in it!" - who LOVE to manipulate, deceive, steal, engage in dishonest tactics, etc, etc,... Generally speaking also have control over armies, and have trained them to be 'order-followers', not to think - just to obey, and then use those armies to appropriate things like land, oil/resources, deliberately manipulate and encourage "racial tension" (to try and encourage fighting among the 'taxslaves' so they don't see who is pulling the strings), etc, etc... Tell-a-vision does encourage certain stereotypes, sloth and laziness is encouraged (easier to control someone who is a welfare/social assistance recipient than someone who is their 'own man'), etc, etc... there is a very real "attack" on "white" people - lumping generally speaking very good individuals with the actual pyschopaths who are perpetuating this evil acts upon pretty much "everyone"...

It's a small group of pyschopaths. Same psychopaths doing the massive money printing to redirect money to cause "inflation" (a.k.a. invisible theft where you don't even have to go to someone's home - you just make everything more expensive), same pyschopaths trying to buy up all the land & businesses for cents on the dollars by first bringing them to the brink of bankruptcy through economic manipulation, then "miraculously" restoring the businesses once they've acquired them for cents on the dollar, etc, etc... And then those same pyschopaths who write the history books (and do their best to censor anything to the contrary) to lay the blame on anyone but themselves...

ANYWays... totally different topic :)

Getting back to "AI"...

Yes, trying to use it for keywords generates the following kinds of things.

a) Redundant keywords
b) Irrelevant keywords
c) Useless keywords
d) etc, etc.

It is a lot of "work" to try and get it to provide something that would be consistently useful for sentences provided. And on the off chance you do find something that is useful - it appears to be part of the algorithm to "randomize" it - so... eventually while the first few results may have been useful, it ends up becoming useless garbage for subsequent results...



 

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