Author Topic: Anyone opted out of SS data licensing (AI) (Read 1224 times)

angelacat · « **on:** February 20, 2024, 08:20 »

Just wondering if anyone has opted out of AI - button looks available but wondering what the consequences would be.

Thanks

Wilm · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2024, 08:58 »

Quote from: angelacat on February 20, 2024, 08:20

Just wondering if anyone has opted out of AI - button looks available but wondering what the consequences would be.

Thanks

I have opted out months ago. I don't know if that has an influence concerning downloads and performance.

angelacat · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2024, 09:05 »

Thanks Wilm - true hard to say if it will affect portfolio performance.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2024, 09:07 »

Yes, I did. But I think shutterstock just added that for "appearances".

I believe the "ai" content request was a 1x deal, hence why they did the dishonest sneaky tactic of selling people's data first WITHOUT their consent - then
"pretending" to have the option of consent AFTER they sold the data.

I do not believe there will be any future "AI" sales - unless it applies specifically to "new" content uploaded. It seems they already sold your data to various data brokers, and now it is just there for appearances, to give the impression of being 'above board' when they were incredibly dishonest & sneaky & deceptive with the data sale.

angelacat · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2024, 09:16 »

Thanks SuperPhoto absolute minefield this AI and not good for photographers, videographers or any other artist (IMO). Just catching up on the implications I've been too busy to give it much attention.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2024, 11:37 »

I opted out the moment the option became available. Still got a small "contributor fund" payment just last month....

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2024, 02:08 »

I opted out from the start. But no trust about what is made by algorithms behind our back... They already are not concerned by the thieves that they feed in good conscience.

angelacat · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2024, 02:44 »

I contacted SS to to opt out last year but SS said that option was not available I've opted out now though for what it's worth.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2024, 12:27 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2024, 08:58

I have opted out months ago. I don't know if that has an influence concerning downloads and performance.

Why would opting out of data use have any effect on downloads or anything else. That's like saying, where I park my bicycle, has an effect on how the car runs.

As soon as they started putting my rejections into data, I started deleting them.

This is just what others have commented on. They already used our work, and then changed to the new system, after the fact:

When were datasets introduced?

Shutterstock announced the launch of Shutterstock.AI and computer vision products, also known as “datasets,” in July 2021. At that time we posted contributor-facing information on our help center. This article is continuously updated, including new information alongside our October 2022 announcement of our AI-generated content partnership with OpenAI and November announcement of our partnership with LG. The inclusion of content from our existing library in datasets is covered under Section 1a of our Contributor Terms of Service, which grants Shutterstock the right to develop new features and products.

However, in January 2023 we added an opt out function in the contributor account settings, which allows artists to exclude their content from any future datasets if they prefer not to have their content used for training computer vision technology.

Well great big thank you, after they used everything for free.

angelacat · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2024, 03:03 »

"Well great big thank you, after they used everything for free."

Yes I know - although this has been raised in a US senate hearing and the fact that artists have not been asked permission to use their work or compensated. (BTW I'm from England so not familiar with US political structures).

In England copyright is classed as "fair use" and not for profit but AI is very much for profit. And if it's damaging artists income how is that "fair use".

Disclaimer I'm not a lawyer but just curios.

Thanks
Cat

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2024, 13:01 »

Quote from: angelacat on February 22, 2024, 03:03

"Well great big thank you, after they used everything for free."

Yes I know - although this has been raised in a US senate hearing and the fact that artists have not been asked permission to use their work or compensated. (BTW I'm from England so not familiar with US political structures).

In England copyright is classed as "fair use" and not for profit but AI is very much for profit. And if it's damaging artists income how is that "fair use".

Disclaimer I'm not a lawyer but just curios.

Thanks
Cat

Also not a lawyer but one part that is behind some of the AI claims, by their legal defense, is, the catalogs they used to train the AI was compiled by non-profits. I'm not buying that escape strategy, and I'm not sure the courts will either. But just a point, down the arguments, in the recent cases. The claim is, it's fair use and the sources are non-profits.

Seems that when AI is used to make money, that would change the standing and the type of use.

There are many other interesting arguments from both sides. This will not end with a simple and easy decision.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2024, 13:28 »

https://petapixel.com/2024/02/22/disturbing-ai-images-of-children-found-for-sale-on-shutterstock/

angelacat · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2024, 02:56 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 22, 2024, 13:28

https://petapixel.com/2024/02/22/disturbing-ai-images-of-children-found-for-sale-on-shutterstock/

Total can of worms opening up.

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2024, 08:01 »

No more pilots in this industrial machinery which only cares about the money it makes. Absolutely No value except MONEY.
What are governments doing? Who makes the LAW?
~~Democracy~~ Moneycracy

Be sure pdophiles will be able to have a lot of fun with the AI, and entertain many things before taking real action. Where is the metaverse police?

cascoly · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2024, 22:28 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on February 23, 2024, 08:01

No more pilots in this industrial machinery which only cares about the money it makes. Absolutely No value except MONEY.
What are governments doing? Who makes the LAW?
~~Democracy~~ Moneycracy

Be sure pdophiles will be able to have a lot of fun with the AI, and entertain many things before taking real action. Where is the metaverse police?

what's new? - this is the way capitalism has always worked. govt is controlled by money, esp'ly since hobby lobby decision - not understanding this just shows your naivete --> in general, too many posts here show a tunnel vision that focuses on solipsistic views about stock agencies without understanding basic modern economics & policy that play out on a macro-economic scale. this is just business as usual - both factions are complicit - it's just that democrats sometimes deplore it, republicans adore it - neither side does anything to change the underlying conditions

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2024, 12:36 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 23, 2024, 22:28

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on February 23, 2024, 08:01
No more pilots in this industrial machinery which only cares about the money it makes. Absolutely No value except MONEY.
What are governments doing? Who makes the LAW?
~~Democracy~~ Moneycracy

Be sure pdophiles will be able to have a lot of fun with the AI, and entertain many things before taking real action. Where is the metaverse police?

what's new? - this is the way capitalism has always worked. govt is controlled by money, esp'ly since hobby lobby decision - not understanding this just shows your naivete --> in general, too many posts here show a tunnel vision that focuses on solipsistic views about stock agencies without understanding basic modern economics & policy that play out on a macro-economic scale. this is just business as usual - both factions are complicit - it's just that democrats sometimes deplore it, republicans adore it - neither side does anything to change the underlying conditions

And the Democrats just pass bills that help the stocks that they own in a legal form of insider trading. Lets not blame one party or another for what both do. And your twisted generalization of the laws, based on freedom of religion, is specific, limited to privately held corporations ONLY. I suppose the liberals just want to tell everyone else how to run their life, their business and make more restrictive laws and raise more taxes. Lets punish the rich for being successful?

Meanwhile back at stock. The plan long term, is like anything else that,s new and trendy. Pay to get people into the system. Offer rewards and hope. Then cut, cut, reduce wages, lower commissions, make it harder to earn a decent wage. The stock agencies have their inventory, now they don't care about the producers any longer. AI fits right into this, eliminate the expensive part of production, the humans.

Ten people working at AI can produce as many images as 100 people working with conventional tools. The ironic part is that some of us are being paid to scuttle our own ship. Data Licensing isn't worth whatever they might pay and once the AI research has the data, they don't need the same data again.

cascoly · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2024, 14:43 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 24, 2024, 12:36

Quote from: cascoly on February 23, 2024, 22:28
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what's new? - this is the way capitalism has always worked. govt is controlled by money, esp'ly since hobby lobby decision - not understanding this just shows your naivete --> in general, too many posts here show a tunnel vision that focuses on solipsistic views about stock agencies without understanding basic modern economics & policy that play out on a macro-economic scale. this is just business as usual - both factions are complicit - it's just that democrats sometimes deplore it, republicans adore it - neither side does anything to change the underlying conditions

And the Democrats just pass bills that help the stocks that they own in a legal form of insider trading. Lets not blame one party or another for what both do. And your twisted generalization of the laws, based on freedom of religion, is specific, limited to privately held corporations ONLY. I suppose the liberals just want to tell everyone else how to run their life, their business and make more restrictive laws and raise more taxes. Lets punish the rich for being successful?

Meanwhile back at stock. The plan long term, is like anything else that,s new and trendy. Pay to get people into the system. Offer rewards and hope. Then cut, cut, reduce wages, lower commissions, make it harder to earn a decent wage. The stock agencies have their inventory, now they don't care about the producers any longer. AI fits right into this, eliminate the expensive part of production, the humans.

Ten people working at AI can produce as many images as 100 people working with conventional tools. The ironic part is that some of us are being paid to scuttle our own ship. Data Licensing isn't worth whatever they might pay and once the AI research has the data, they don't need the same data again.

too many discussions here show a tunnel vision where folk decry microstock moves as something unique, so it's not off topic to expand the view to see this as the way modern economies have always worked -- i did say both parties are complicit - just their ideologies are different, but within the same capitalist meme

what you describe as MS maneuvers is again basic capitalism - owners reduce costs to the detriment of workers and keep the profits - so, yes -'punish' the rich thru higher taxes (not by giving them huge tax cuts)

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