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RacePhoto

« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2009, 14:24 »
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I do suspect these forums don't tell the truth.

I do suspect people follow their own agenda.



So decrees "e-person."   

Why exactly would someone vote SS #1 in personal earnings if they weren't?  Who would have such an agenda, and what would they stand to gain?


People lie because SS pays them to lie? No that doesn't work, because then they would get more money.  ;D People lie because they have some hidden agenda and want SS to look better. Hmmm, that doesn't work either?

I know, I know! People are telling the truth and SS does earn them more money because of the volume of subscription sales, and customers flock there for inexpensive photos for the same reason.

Either that, or it's some kind of conspiracy, which I doubt.

Contact these people.   :o


bittersweet

« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2009, 10:38 »
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If you don't keep your arguments straight, I'm going to call you on it. 


Call me on whatever you like. I have never gotten all worked up about Alexa and I don't put much stock in the little arrows either. I've never said otherwise. In this quote you refer to "istock exclusives" as a group, and it certainly seems that you believe it applies to all of them, and it certainly does NOT apply to me. It doesn't take me long to show up? If I'm being characterized in an untruthful way simply because I'm an exclusive, then yeah, it won't take me long to defend myself.

Amazing.  iStock exclusives spent the last several months denying any validity to the Alexa charts which showed their traffic falling fast while other agencies were rising.  Now they are quoting Alexa like it is The Bible.  Get your arguments straight.

The "gang mentality" as you call it is what I would use to describe the way that some people have a serious problem hearing an opinion other than their own, and so accuses ANYone who disagrees with them as being part of some delusional groupthink mass and resorts to childish personal attacks and insults in order to justify their attitude.


bittersweet

« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2009, 10:44 »
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oddly enough I was saying that Alexa data was from a self selective panel, as is the side bar, and that it is a problem when either are quoted as 'the truth' I cannot see how I'm using this to prove that any site is the leading site.

I'm not sure where I've taken on a gang mentality, but I am aware it can run both ways.

This I agree with 100%.

I believe alexa is very accurate.

This I disagree with 100%.

Two exclusives with entirely different opinions. I agree with one. I disagree with one. They disagree with one another. Where is this "gang mentality"?



« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2009, 12:36 »
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"gang mentality"

Is this really a NEW year? ;D

Regards,
Adelaide

RT


« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2009, 19:33 »
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I know, I know! People are telling the truth and SS does earn them more money because of the volume of subscription sales amount of crap they accept, and customers flock there for inexpensive photos for the same reason. because they get frustrated with the iStock CV or because for a few hundred bucks you can get all the photos and vectors you desire which you can then upload and sell at the other sites knowing they'll do bugger all about it.

Edited with my thoughts  ;)
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 19:38 by RT »

RacePhoto

« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2009, 21:59 »
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I know, I know! People are telling the truth and SS does earn them more money because of the volume of subscription sales amount of crap they accept, and customers flock there for inexpensive photos for the same reason. because they get frustrated with the iStock CV or because for a few hundred bucks you can get all the photos and vectors you desire which you can then upload and sell at the other sites knowing they'll do bugger all about it.

Edited with my thoughts  ;)

Sure, but people are going to read that and think it was all mine.  :)  Italics were added by RT.

I do disagree, because my photos aren't good enough to attract thieves. There is some consolation in that?  ;)

I just felt more put out by the original comment by e-person, that the stats on the right are lies, because we have some sort of hidden agenda.

Overall, considering that all sites have favorable and unfavorable opinions from a variety of people, it should balance out in the end. Even if there are people who are fabricating and boosting their favorite site, the same would be happening for all of the agencies, so again, it would even out in the end. It's probably easier to live in denial when things aren't going the way of ones opinion, and claim that the statistics are flawed or people are lying. Easier than facing the truth?

As it is, I've never entered any data in the boxes, because I don't feel I have a right to at this time.

Look at the OP, which the subject was weighted to elicit negative comments, against subscriptions and especially SS.

As long as people upload and sell photos by subscription, and it makes money for the agencies, and the buyers keep buying them, this is what we'll get. When Micro started, other stock selles were screaming how low price sales would ruin the industry. Hasn't seemed to happen quite like that. Instead a different market and strategy has evolved. Well, now we are seeing a change in that strategy and marketing. Subscriptions are an extension of the MicroStock philosophy.

Also we are seeing more of the same agencies adding on demand downloads, which is good because of the higher rates, and adding editorial which is opening new ways for micro sellers to sell photos. Talk about cutting prices? Editorial on MicroPayment? News photos aren't sliced tomatoes isolated on white, they are one time events, which can't be duplicated and imitated over and over. Now people are getting paid subscription rates for one of a kind photos? It's creepy.

« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2009, 23:04 »
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But IMO it is more likely the slowing world economy that is responsible for softening sales...

I agree.

shank_ali

« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2009, 02:16 »
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Nothing remains cheap forever...If something becomes popular invariably the price rises and so it has with microstock imagery.Also bring into the equation the fact more people are producing 'stock' imagery.
Money will always be spent on advertising.That money though will be spread more evenly throughout the industry.
The OP'S question can be answered....nothing will hurt this industry,which is strong ,vibrant and essential for designers and buyers alike.

DanP68

« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2009, 16:51 »
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Two exclusives with entirely different opinions. I agree with one. I disagree with one. They disagree with one another. Where is this "gang mentality"?


My point is that this is another SS bashing thread, started by a prospective IS Exclusive contributor.  And the minute someone disagrees with him, 2 or 3 more IS Exclusives immediately jump into the thread.  Your opinion is always welcome of course, but the opinion is not the most informed one if you have no relations with said agency.  How would you feel if DT exclusives started IS bashing threads, and made allusions to IS contributors being "part of the problem?" 

DanP68

« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2009, 16:58 »
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Whatever the 'truth' is, chances are it won't be found on an internet forum. Generally they are largely populated by the opinionated, and usually the opinionated tend to have biases.

I think you speak the truth, though I personally take care to make my ratings as accurate as possible for Leaf.  As Racephoto alluded to earlier, there isn't much reason for a contributor to lie about the ratings.  None of us are taking money under the table from SS just to make them look good on a message board.   

I believe for many non-exclusive contributors, IS has indeed fallen to #3 or #4 in the earnings rankings.  It probably is not so much a function of traffic loss, as it is indicative of the preference for exclusive content in the IS best match.  Which most of us accepted long ago, and we still happily do business with iStock.  They just don't deliver the returns for us that they used to.  No bias, just reality.

bittersweet

« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2009, 17:16 »
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Two exclusives with entirely different opinions. I agree with one. I disagree with one. They disagree with one another. Where is this "gang mentality"?


My point is that this is another SS bashing thread, started by a prospective IS Exclusive contributor.  And the minute someone disagrees with him, 2 or 3 more IS Exclusives immediately jump into the thread.  Your opinion is always welcome of course, but the opinion is not the most informed one if you have no relations with said agency.  How would you feel if DT exclusives started IS bashing threads, and made allusions to IS contributors being "part of the problem?" 

You might want to go back through the thread and reassess who did and said what, and where the bashing came from. Or you might not. It makes no difference to me. All I ask is that if you want to say something mean, you consider directing it towards the person whom you feel has slighted you, rather than painting with a broad brush an entire group of people simply because they choose to upload to one site instead of many.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2009, 17:43 by whatalife »


 

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