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Lev

« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2008, 08:48 »
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Hassy won't pay you back on microstock, my friend, and you know it.

Actually i believe best camera for micro is 5D. i've recently ordered myself 1DsMk3 and i know it won't really pay back on micro comparing with forthcoming 5DKm2. the only reason for me spending $10K now was intention to have my pictures as big resolution as i can allow myself to, not the idea i will sell them for much more when i'll switch from 5D to 1Ds. so it was more artistic than business decision for me.

upscaling a bit sales volumes and going to your case, 1DsMk3 is the best camera for you as a BUSINESS TOOL FOR MICRO and you know it.

still as much as i remember the day we had a dinner in Oslo you're the one who can be considered technocrate the best possible way. so i believe you really enjoy Hassy and your artistic side is more than satisfied with this great tool. i believe you made good artistic decision. just don't expect it to pay back as business decision on micros. it won't.

friend of mine owns online IT shop. and he enjoys to make a delivery by himself. rich businessman spends his time delivering $20 worthy item he sold online and made a penny of. the car he uses for that is his own brand new latest BMW M5, he paid over 100.000 Euro for. he knows spending his time and using his car for delivery is not about business, still he enjoys it. he's just "Taxi" movie type of guy. i don't want to say it's exactly the same situation you have on micro with Hassy, but it's not that far. i will never consider you or my friend making it wrong as long as i understand how much fun you have. still don't expect it will pay back as business. if we're talking about micro or cheap online shop delivery. ;]

actually i'm doing the same shooting 10000 pictures every month and having only 2000 pictures in my portfolio. i should stop shooting and finally postprocess all great stuff i have on 3Tb of my backup storage now. i believe i have at least 20000 of very good images i should postprocess and sell. still i continue shooting, spending time, buying cameras, accessories, papers and stuff. it's pointless but i just can't resist. ;]

so well, we are ARTISTS after all. we can shoot when we don't have to or use Hassyes on micro. that's what we do. even knowing it won't pay back there on micros. we a artists, as i said so we don't have to be business and logic ONLY.
 
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downsizing images for SS is a smart idea, i will maybe use it too.   

thanks for this thread, Yuri. it's been a long since we communicated last time so i'm really enjoying talking with you.


« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2008, 09:11 »
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Yuri, you don't have to join those site to sell your images at marco, just look into Photoshelter Collect, Alamy as the to best site, Photoshelter give a 70% commission and you can sell RF or RM images. Your work is better than microstock especially if you are producing expensive shoots.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 10:45 by digitalfood »

michealo

« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2008, 09:20 »
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Yuri,

You probably missed my earlier reply in this thread but it seems that from reading dolgachov's post that there is disconnect on what is being done by him with a business justification and what is artistic or individualistic. I suspect it may be the same for you.

Unlike sjlocke I think that this forum has much to offer in terms of advice.

But I will start with a preamble

What is your plan to increase your revenue for 2008. Actual figures aren't required.

Say for example it is 20%

Then either you need to sell 20% more photos or sell the same number for 20% more.

If you can do both you will make 44% more.

Next is the bottom line.

Say you want to increase your profit 20% you can do either of the above and maintain the same margin, but if your costs are increasing faster than your revenue this will decrease your profits.

Reading your posts I get the impression your costs are increasing, all the IT investment to support the Hasselblad workflow.

Your costs, staff, rent, models, etc will go up with inflation

And it sounds like your revenue is stagnating.

Am I correct?




« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2008, 10:23 »
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You may be misunderstanding my point. Increase has to match decrease.

No, I understood.  You want 20% minimum increase to offset your past drop in projected gain.

« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2008, 10:54 »
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I opted out at StockXpert when they launched subscriptions. Minimum MP at SS is a good idea. DT is a headache though. They are selling well but don't have an opt out possibility for subs.

Yuri Arcurs
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« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 10:55 by epixx »

« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2008, 11:17 »
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I sell vectors, so will upload only simple ones to SS.
I'm not uploading to DT anymore because I don't like their policies and when they let me, will close my account.
I've just opt out on StockXpert subscription.


Yuri Arcurs
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« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2008, 11:24 »
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I opted out at StockXpert when they launched subscriptions. Minimum MP at SS is a good idea. DT is a headache though.
I just opted out of subs at StockXpert though my port there is small. At SS, I already uploaded at 6MP instead of full size. DT is a real headache. I like it a lot, especially for the EL's. I still trust Serban's good judgment and I always will.

Opted out of sub at StockXpert:

Yuri Arcurs
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« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 11:27 by FlemishDreams »

RT


« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2008, 12:54 »
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Well as I mentioned earlier I think images downloaded by subscription should be structered on file size, so therefore I'm prepared to take action where I can until that's implemented.

Opted out of sub at StockXpert:

Yuri Arcurs
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Smithore
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FlemishDreams.
RTimages

helix7

« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2008, 13:24 »
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In my first writing of this reply, I said that I wasn't too concerned with subscription sales cutting into my StockXpert earnings. Since January 1, sub sales accounted for just 3 out of my 36 total sales.

But after rethinking that, I realized 2 things:

1.) While that only figures about 8% of my sales so far this month coming as subscription sales, if I imagined they were credit sales instead, at the end of the month 8% can be a big deal. Of course it's not like I'd get those sales back as credit sales if I opt out of subscriptions, since the subscription buyers will just go to another artist if they can't download my image. But the idea of missing 8% of my sales at the end of the month does mean something.

2.) StockXpert raised proces on vectors recently, and restructured the pricing tiers for vectors. I am not getting $5.00 commission per credit sale on my vectors. It definitely bugs me that I get just $0.30 cents on a subscription sale of a vector, when I should be getting $5.00.

Looking at it that way, I'd be crazy to keep doing subscription sales at StockXpert. I don't have much choice at SS, but at least at StockXpert I can do something about it.


« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 13:36 by helix7 »

vonkara

« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2008, 13:33 »
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I put my little brick to the wall and opt-out. I will now try downsizing pictures to SS and I don't think DT is professional, like Latex said whit their subscription obligation and others policies, so I will think about my future there also.


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helix7

« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2008, 13:36 »
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Opted out.

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helix7

« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2008, 13:41 »
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Opted out.

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helix7
Travelling-light

We opted out of StockXpert subs from the start.
We also downsize to SS.
We are thinking hard about DT, which used to be a favourite site. Haven't uploaded anything to them, so far this year.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 13:43 by Travelling-light »

« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2008, 13:58 »
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Joined on the list.. Will send downsized images to SS (what is the best resolution to downsize to maximize sales (I'm using 5D at moment))?

br, Mikko P.

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Mjp
« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 14:00 by mjp »

helix7

« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2008, 14:00 »
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...Someone get Andreas and IOfoto on the bandwagon?

I think it already speaks volumes about the problems this business faces when the top microstocker is struggling to increase income and is rethinking strategy. There have been plenty of people talk about leaving sites, being frustrated with policies and practices, and going as far as to really end relationships with some sites just to make a statement. Unfortunately, the harsh reality of the situation is that most people (myself included) don't matter enough to get noticed. I could leave any or all of the sites I contribute to and even write lengthy explanations as to why I would leave, and at the end of the day it wouldn't make it to the desk of any decision-makers and it would have been a futile gesture.

With Yuri discussing these problems and looking for ways to take action, maybe something can actually be done to bring about some real change. And with a list of people opting out, and the first name beiing Yuri Arcurs, that has to mean something.


helix7

« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2008, 14:04 »
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Anyone catch this little note on SXabout subscriptions?

"Gain instant access to virtually every image on the site and save hundreds, even thousands, when you Subscribe to Stockxpert."

I wonder if they'll have to change that now. This list alone has to account for 20,000 images by now, and it'll only keep growing.


« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2008, 14:17 »
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I've opted out of subscription for StockXpert and so far I have not contributed to SS.

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Opted out.

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Yuri_Arcurs

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« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2008, 14:18 »
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Anyone catch this little note on SXabout subscriptions?

"Gain instant access to virtually every image on the site and save hundreds, even thousands, when you Subscribe to Stockxpert."

I wonder if they'll have to change that now. This list alone has to account for 20,000 images by now, and it'll only keep growing.

Both StockXpert and SS are going to think...."What happend"
Get more people in!


« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2008, 14:24 »
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Opted out.

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ason

« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2008, 14:51 »
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Opted out.

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« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2008, 14:53 »
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boatman

« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2008, 14:56 »
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Opted out.... Little ants can do amazing things.

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helix7

« Reply #71 on: January 07, 2008, 15:02 »
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Some names got dropped. I suppose from people posting close together. Use this one going forward:

Yuri Arcurs
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Smithore
rene
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epixx
latex
FlemishDreams.
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Vonkara
helix7
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Mjp
northflyboy
ason
sorsillo
boatman
Alex

« Reply #72 on: January 07, 2008, 15:14 »
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I am not yet in StockXpert. I will opt out, if admitted. But how to deal with DT or 123rf, these two
do not have the option to opt out.

vphoto


grp_photo

« Reply #73 on: January 07, 2008, 15:24 »
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I am not yet in StockXpert. I will opt out, if admitted. But how to deal with DT or 123rf, these two
do not have the option to opt out.

vphoto


I agree now StockXpert is be left holding the crappy end of the stick because they listened to their contributors and made it optional. I personally don't submit anymore to sites that pay less than 30% or don't make subscription opitonal.
It's great contributors start action but the action should be fair in my opinion iStock and Shutterstock are the worst and should feel the pressure in the first place. And then next dreamstime to make subscription optional.

« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2008, 15:30 »
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Also opted out..

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