Author Topic: Are things going well in microstock? (Read 118226 times)

Pixart · « **Reply #100 on:** January 07, 2008, 17:44 »

You know I wouldn't mind subs so much if we could tick a box and allow them on individual photos.

And, what size are you going for? 4mp seems so small, I've been downsizing to about 5mp lately anyway. Too big? Just right?

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fauxware · « **Reply #101 on:** January 07, 2008, 18:15 »

I agree

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Smithore · « **Reply #102 on:** January 07, 2008, 18:45 »

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Void · « **Reply #103 on:** January 07, 2008, 18:52 »

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lumina · « **Reply #104 on:** January 07, 2008, 19:03 »

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Rozmaryna · « **Reply #105 on:** January 07, 2008, 19:09 »

Updated: Number of my photos -

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sharpshot · « **Reply #106 on:** January 07, 2008, 19:10 »

Quote from: stock_fan on January 07, 2008, 16:04

- Educate customers (eg in designer forums) that IS pays only 20% to artists, FP pays 70% which is more than a fair share.

Thinking about this, where are the designer forums? I have never seen one. I know some designers hang out in the istock forums but I don't think we will get very far there

sharpshot · « **Reply #107 on:** January 07, 2008, 19:11 »

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Lukasphoto · « **Reply #108 on:** January 07, 2008, 19:34 »

Added my photos.

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epixx · « **Reply #109 on:** January 07, 2008, 19:37 »

Quote from: yingyang0 on January 07, 2008, 16:36

Quote from: stock_fan on January 07, 2008, 16:27
Correct. There is no affiliation. I just think it's a fair deal ...
I believe you after looking at your previous posts. I'm just always suspicious of anonymous posters that promote a site heavily.

Nothing wrong in promoting the agency that gives the best deal to photographers. I do it myself, all the time, and my connection to them is nothing more than my portfolio. One sale at FP gives me 5-10 times as much as one sale at IS or SS. Reason enough for me.

aremafoto · « **Reply #110 on:** January 07, 2008, 19:57 »

I opt-out as well.

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ikostudio · « **Reply #111 on:** January 07, 2008, 20:00 »

I opt-out as well.

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Kiya · « **Reply #112 on:** January 07, 2008, 20:24 »

Another opt out

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erwinova · « **Reply #113 on:** January 07, 2008, 20:33 »

opt out, I couldn't downsize my photos at SS, because I' not member there

And for microstockgroup admin, please add featurepics portfolio link form, I realy want make featurepics popular....

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Velvia · « **Reply #114 on:** January 07, 2008, 21:12 »

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DanP68 · « **Reply #115 on:** January 07, 2008, 23:31 »

I will concur with what was said earlier in the thread. StockXpert is the one in the cross-hairs only because they were willing to give us an opt-out. But alas I am out too.

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jorgeinthewater · « **Reply #116 on:** January 07, 2008, 23:56 »

I'm not there yet but will opt out the moment I'm in. Also changing all images as SV to non sub. SS smallest possible.
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nruboc · « **Reply #117 on:** January 08, 2008, 00:52 »

I'm opting in, flame on, but StockXpert has been one of the best agencies to deal with for me, they actually listen to their contributors and have the easiest upload process. If you opt out then you should not contibute to Dreamstime, 123, SV, Crestock (Who pays a measley 25 cents I may add) as a matter of principle if you're so against the subscription model. Opting out will do nothing but drive the subscription customers to a different site, ones that I might add don't give you a choice, and may even pay you LESS (Crestock).

Now if you start a movement against low commission paying sites (ie IStockPhoto, UnLucky Oliver, Crestock) let me know, I'm in.

swedstock · « **Reply #118 on:** January 08, 2008, 01:25 »

Updated the list with picture count...

Remember that you can also opt out on sub. on Snapvillage if you are a member there.
Please note that you will have to change every image already uploaded there manually if you uploaded them with subscription on.
If this list continue to grow I think we have something going on here.

I enough people and bigger players in this game would sign this list, wouldn't that be enough to at least make the agenices that doesn't allow opt out think again? If we could present a substantial list of people with well argued demands to these agencies, wouldn't that at least make them listen to us? One can at least hope. At least it would make an impression, that we photographers can unite strong against something that we find unfair and damaging to our (and their) buisness.

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cphoto · « **Reply #119 on:** January 08, 2008, 01:28 »

Quote from: Yuri_Arcurs on January 07, 2008, 05:58

I haven’t thought about this before, but maybe, by reducing the size I could actually (ironically) get a lot more downloads on subscription agencies. Maybe the minority of our microstock buyers are not at all interested (and probably can’t tell the difference, McDonalds vs Gournet) in really super high quality.

Yuri, I believe you're 100% right! And I wish that all the big players such as Andres, VGStudio, etc... could start doing the same thing!

I'm a modest player compare to you but my strategy since the beginning has been to submit to SS pictures to the minimum size requirement: 2.5 MP, and I still get a pretty decent number of downloads (about 1500/month for a port of 800 images, mostly landscapes). Why on earth would you want to give a way one of your super high quality image in 39MP for 30 cents? I think I would just downsize it to 2.5MP and put the 39MP on macrostocks.

I actually upload different size on each site to make sure I optimize the pay based on the site payment structure:
FT: 8MP
StockXpert: 6MP
IS: 5MP
DT: 5MP
123: 5MP
SS: 2.5MP

ALAMY: 16MP

This way the customer will have to pay $$$ to get higher resolution of my pictures.

I too noticed a drop in sales for past 3 months, especially with SS and more recently with StockXpert, and I also agree that subscription model is bad for us.

nruboc · « **Reply #120 on:** January 08, 2008, 01:53 »

Quote from: moori on January 08, 2008, 01:25

I enough people and bigger players in this game would sign this list, wouldn't that be enough to at least make the agenices that doesn't allow opt out think again? If we could present a substantial list of people with well argued demands to these agencies, wouldn't that at least make them listen to us?

Too funny, the only thing this will do is get StockXpert to rethink it's decision to allow an opt out. How is this going to get the other agencies without the opt out to re-think if you're STILL submitting there. You think that they're going to change their policies so you can opt out on them, no way, jose.

The list should be opt out of Stock Xpert, and stop submitting to the ones that give no choice (Dreamstime, 123, Crestock..etc) otherwise subscription customers will jump from one site to another where the most content is.

nruboc · « **Reply #121 on:** January 08, 2008, 01:57 »

Quote from: cphoto on January 08, 2008, 01:28

Yuri, I believe you're 100% right! And I wish that all the big players such as Andres, VGStudio, etc... could start doing the same thing!

I hope the big players , Andres, VGStudio, IOFoto don't join this nonsence. If they have a problem with subscriptions then take your photos off all subscription sites that don't offer a choice, if you're so bothered by it. Yeah, let's punish StockXpert for giving us a choice, what a joke.

cphoto · « **Reply #122 on:** January 08, 2008, 02:05 »

Quote from: nruboc on January 08, 2008, 01:57

Quote from: cphoto on January 08, 2008, 01:28
Yuri, I believe you're 100% right! And I wish that all the big players such as Andres, VGStudio, etc... could start doing the same thing!

I hope the big players , Andres, VGStudio, IOFoto don't join this nonsence. If they have a problem with subscriptions then take your photos off all subscription sites that don't offer a choice, if you're so bothered by it. Yeah, let's punish StockXpert for giving us a choice, what a joke.

nruboc, thanks for quoting me but looks like you did not read my post.

I was saying that I think it would make sense that everybody, and especially the big players, submit their images at the minimum size requirement to Shutterstock. I'm perfectly fine selling with subscription sites if my images are at the lowest possible resolution. And, Like Yuri, I'm pretty sure that subscription buyers actually prefer smaller resolution image (faster download and 99% of the time they mostlikely don't need a super high resolution image).

helix7 · « **Reply #123 on:** January 08, 2008, 02:30 »

Quote from: nruboc on January 08, 2008, 01:57

...Yeah, let's punish StockXpert for giving us a choice, what a joke.

I don't think anyone is ganging up on StockXpert here. They offer the opt-out, so of course they will be the topic of discussion when participating in subscription sites comes up.

The point of all this, and of opting out, is that we as contributors can't just go along for the ride anymore, letting the microstock companies take us wherever they like. We actually have some concerns about our futures in this business, and want them to listen to what we have to say. This is a way of saying, "Look at how many people opt out of subscriptions when given the choice." It says that if we are forced to participate in subscription sites, that is better than nothing. But given a say in the matter, subscriptions are definitely not cool with us.

I've wondered if StockXpert went into the subscription plan thinking that we would all be ok with it, maybe even be happy about it. This seems like a good way to let any site considering a subscription plan to give it a second thought. Not only will some people be opposed to it, but people like Yuri will opt out or consider pulling out. I really doubt that StockXpert management ever thought their subscription service would end up missing images from the top microstock contributor.

mjp · « **Reply #124 on:** January 08, 2008, 02:46 »

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