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« Reply #225 on: December 03, 2022, 13:16 »
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Of course you may be on a different planet?
That might solve the mystery of a lot of his statements on this forum.


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« Reply #226 on: December 03, 2022, 13:20 »
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It may say 2.4 out of 5, but did you notice that its says it's also ranked 4th out of all the restaurants on that site? And nobody was talking about their consumer rating anyway, you're just bringing it up as you've been called out, once again, for being wrong... so you're probably trying to save face. You said they weren't popular and few people go there, which is blatantly false no matter whether they have 5 stars, 2.4 stars or 0 stars. 

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« Reply #227 on: December 03, 2022, 13:39 »
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I like McDonald's  :P

« Reply #228 on: December 03, 2022, 14:35 »
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I am pretty sure when McDonalds flood over the world from 1953 on, it took out tens of thousands restaurants especially steak houses. What you are talking about is that they NOW coexist, with a highly reduced number of steak houses.

Different markets. Sure the hamburger joints and cafes or lunch counters got mostly eliminated by fast food and drive through restaurants. But the good sit down restaurants didn't lose out to someplace where Mom's take the kids for a fast lunch or someone on the road, grabs something. Different quality and different markets.

I said:

The company you work for, must have pretty low standards for their image needs, if they can use images created by Open-AI or the rest. None I've ever seen, are good enough as stock, without editing and adjusting or filling in missing parts.

And the reasoning wasn't to insult your company, but to point out that AI images are not good enough yet, to replace agency subscriptions. Maybe for fast food, burgers and fries, but not for quality meals, steaks and baked potatoes?  :) If someone has to work to fix and repair the AI images, that is not efficient use of time, and it will cost more to work that way.

Yeah different markets now, but the fast food market didn't existed before 53, so many opted for steakhouses for their meat cravings. But when McDonald's entered the market they had a cheaper and faster option and that killed a lot of business for the traditional restaurants.

Obviously they are different markets now because they both exist now. Ai didn't exist a few years ago but it does now and the progress they are making is breathtaking.

Did you check recently? Here's an Adobe link:
https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=AI+generated+woman&search_type=usertyped

It honestly gives me cold shivers seeing the artwork that comes out of the AI. Looking at the illustrations at least the machine is the superior steak to 99% humans already and faster and cheaper on top it.

« Reply #229 on: December 03, 2022, 14:54 »
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... What I wanted to highlight is the fact that a contributor should be eligible for a commision every time when the image created with that topic is sold. ...

how would you decide from the generator phrase which images among millions were used in the training set?  eg "penguin in a top hat walking on mars'

once training is done, no images are actually accessed during the creation of AI images

« Reply #230 on: December 03, 2022, 15:07 »
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... What I wanted to highlight is the fact that a contributor should be eligible for a commision every time when the image created with that topic is sold. ...

how would you decide from the generator phrase which images among millions were used in the training set?  eg "penguin in a top hat walking on mars'

once training is done, no images are actually accessed during the creation of AI images

Yeah we all get inspired, just because I took inspiration from photo x doesn't mean that my new work has to pay royalties to photo x. They obviously not gonna share royalties with us.

« Reply #231 on: December 04, 2022, 07:51 »
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Did you check recently? Here's an Adobe link:
https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=AI+generated+woman&search_type=usertyped

It honestly gives me cold shivers seeing the artwork that comes out of the AI. Looking at the illustrations at least the machine is the superior steak to 99% humans already and faster and cheaper on top it.
By your link I found this video in the AI section. I strongly doubt that this video was created by AI.
https://stock.adobe.com/ua/video/4k-business-woman-putting-smartphone-on-wireless-charger/217765671?prev_url=detail

As for the drawings, they have nothing to do with photographers and videographers. But it's time for vector people to pack their bags for the exit.

« Reply #232 on: December 04, 2022, 09:22 »
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... What I wanted to highlight is the fact that a contributor should be eligible for a commision every time when the image created with that topic is sold. ...

how would you decide from the generator phrase which images among millions were used in the training set?  eg "penguin in a top hat walking on mars'

once training is done, no images are actually accessed during the creation of AI images

Yeah we all get inspired, just because I took inspiration from photo x doesn't mean that my new work has to pay royalties to photo x. They obviously not gonna share royalties with us.
AI isn't getting inspired. It doesn't think.

« Reply #233 on: December 04, 2022, 09:29 »
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AI isn't getting inspired. It doesn't think.
The question is moot.

« Reply #234 on: December 04, 2022, 10:27 »
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AI isn't getting inspired. It doesn't think.
The question is moot.
Like a cow?

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« Reply #235 on: December 04, 2022, 10:48 »
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AI isn't getting inspired. It doesn't think.
The question is moot.

That wasn't a question.

« Reply #236 on: December 04, 2022, 12:05 »
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« Reply #237 on: December 04, 2022, 12:59 »
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« Reply #238 on: December 04, 2022, 15:30 »
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« Reply #239 on: December 05, 2022, 03:33 »
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« Reply #240 on: December 05, 2022, 04:59 »
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This is the level of troll reasoning.

No, bovine reasoning. Troll reasoning is interminable and more like "How do you cook thirteen Dwarves and a hobbit"


« Reply #241 on: December 05, 2022, 10:45 »
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... What I wanted to highlight is the fact that a contributor should be eligible for a commision every time when the image created with that topic is sold. ...

how would you decide from the generator phrase which images among millions were used in the training set?  eg "penguin in a top hat walking on mars'

once training is done, no images are actually accessed during the creation of AI images

That is a good question. You know what you have used for training each type of object (downloaded and fed to AI training system). I would assume it is going to be connected with keywords and training sets for them.


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« Reply #242 on: December 05, 2022, 15:21 »
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« Reply #243 on: December 05, 2022, 15:50 »
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That is a good question. You know what you have used for training each type of object (downloaded and fed to AI training system). I would assume it is going to be connected with keywords and training sets for them.
ML doesnt train for specific objects. for generic ai generators we've been discussing, there's only 1 dataset and the original images are not stored

there are other ML apps that are much more specific (but not for art) - eg medical apps

« Reply #244 on: December 05, 2022, 16:35 »
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This is the level of troll reasoning.

No, bovine reasoning. Troll reasoning is interminable and more like "How do you cook thirteen Dwarves and a hobbit"
Dude, you wrote complete nonsense. You have no idea about artificial intelligence, how it works and what its prospects are. You are nobody, and there is no way to call you. And all your arguments came down only to offending members of the forum. When there are no arguments, they start with an insult, it's about you.

« Reply #245 on: December 06, 2022, 16:19 »
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Just seen this, could be useful for finding images that have been used to train AI. Not sure I would want to upload, unless it can use low res, or watermarked images.
https://haveibeentrained.com/

« Reply #246 on: December 16, 2022, 07:29 »
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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #247 on: December 16, 2022, 11:58 »
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https://news.yahoo.com/ai-created-artwork-sparks-copyright-023727771.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

In the news, still up for debate.

Just seen this, could be useful for finding images that have been used to train AI. Not sure I would want to upload, unless it can use low res, or watermarked images.
https://haveibeentrained.com/

That's what I was looking for this morning.   LAION-5B, an open, publically available dataset of 5.8B image-text pairs and validate it by reproducing results of training state-of-the-art CLIP models of different scale.

https://laion.ai/blog/laion-5b/

"We distribute the metadata dataset (the parquet files) under the Creative Common CC-BY 4.0 license, which poses no particular restriction. The images are under their copyright."


« Reply #248 on: December 16, 2022, 13:02 »
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https://news.yahoo.com/ai-created-artwork-sparks-copyright-023727771.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

In the news, still up for debate.

Just seen this, could be useful for finding images that have been used to train AI. Not sure I would want to upload, unless it can use low res, or watermarked images.
https://haveibeentrained.com/

That's what I was looking for this morning.   LAION-5B, an open, publically available dataset of 5.8B image-text pairs and validate it by reproducing results of training state-of-the-art CLIP models of different scale.

https://laion.ai/blog/laion-5b/

"We distribute the metadata dataset (the parquet files) under the Creative Common CC-BY 4.0 license, which poses no particular restriction. The images are under their copyright."

completely false - CC license specifically says credit must be given to the creator among SEVERAL other restrictions

AND images they use need to be under CC license themselves (unlikely for billions of images) or similar where owner grants such permission while retaining the copyright

"Adapted Material means material subject to Copyright and Similar Rights that is derived from or based upon the Licensed Material and in which the Licensed Material is translated, altered, arranged, transformed, or otherwise modified in a manner requiring permission under the Copyright and Similar Rights held by the Licensor. For purposes of this Public License, where the Licensed Material is a musical work, performance, or sound recording, Adapted Material is always produced where the Licensed Material is synched in timed relation with a moving image."

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode

finally they haven't made any changes, just made a compilation.

and they are required to credit the licensor for each image:

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« Reply #249 on: December 16, 2022, 13:16 »
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McDonalds
McDonalds is not a popular restaurant in the US. Few people go there. There are many other chains where people go and where it tastes better. The quality that McDonalds offers is not suitable for Americans. Yes, McDonalds is popular in Europe, but not in the US.

you just have to look up the number 1 restaurant chain in the US. Good try though lol
Why should I look, I was there, I lived there, I saw everything with my own eyes. And I repeat, at McDonalds in the USA, food is much worse than in other similar restaurants.
In food, as well as many other areas of life, "popular" (which is quantifiable) doesn't equal "good" (which is subjective, at least to some extent), but rather the lowest common denominator.
The fact that I, or you, don't choose to eat there doesn't mean that many other people make the same choice.


 

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