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« Reply #350 on: January 09, 2023, 11:38 »
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So who is allowing AI Generated art submissions? I think Adobe Stock and Dreamtime are. Others?
I'd say all agencies allow it expect the ones who have officially stated that they don't. So that would be only Shutterstock/Bigstock, though they do their own AI thing and iStock/Getty, but I think they limited it to only no AI generated images with models? Unless I misunderstood their mail.

In the end it doesn't matter all that much. A rule only makes sense when you can enforce is. It's becoming harde to tell whether an image has been drawn or AI generated by the day, so how are reviewers to tell...?



« Reply #351 on: January 10, 2023, 10:35 »
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I'll try to make this easier for you to understand. Everyone doesn't own or drive a car. And they are doing just fine. Some people can't afford a car and they are also doing just fine. Plenty of people, that is. They never transitioned into what replaced the horse and buggy.
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10X

not that it really matters, but

https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars

San Francisco is very car free also. https://sf.streetsblog.org/2014/08/15/car-free-households-are-booming-in-san-francisco/

How do the majority of people who made income from microstock in 2012 do ten years later?

« Reply #352 on: January 11, 2023, 08:24 »
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AI friend or foe?, on my blog

A very brief history of art (part 1 of 5)

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/05/ai-friend-or-foe/


Enjoy

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« Reply #353 on: January 11, 2023, 12:38 »
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AI friend or foe?, on my blog

A very brief history of art (part 1 of 5)

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/05/ai-friend-or-foe/

Enjoy

I'd like to point out a more modern version which I'll assume everyone here understands.

Digital Cameras
and I shouldn't have to write more than those two words.

But I need to include, computer drawn illustrations using a tablet . No paint, pens, pencils, ink, or chalk or anything.

AI will not kill art or individual creations.

« Reply #354 on: January 11, 2023, 13:28 »
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AI friend or foe?, on my blog

A very brief history of art (part 1 of 5)

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/05/ai-friend-or-foe/

Enjoy

I'd like to point out a more modern version which I'll assume everyone here understands.

Digital Cameras
and I shouldn't have to write more than those two words.

But I need to include, computer drawn illustrations using a tablet . No paint, pens, pencils, ink, or chalk or anything.

AI will not kill art or individual creations.

I still can't wrap my hand around how some people really think AI art will "just" change traditional art like digital camera mostly replaced cameras that capture images on photographic film or are like tablets that are just an additional medium to drawing on paper or canvas. Those are two completely different things.
These were technoligical advancements that helped you in your task. AI does the art for you. It's not a tool that helps an artist, it's a replacement.
A more correct comparison in advancement in technology would be for example a telephone and switchboard operators. Technology advanced, it was able to do their job, so they were replaced by technology. No one needs a telephone or switchboard operator these days because of "authentic" or "nostalgic" reasons. Technology can do it faster, better and cheaper than humans - You're out of your job.

I am not saying AI will replace all art, but it will certainly cause  a decrease in artists when they have a harder time to make a living from art (which was already difficult before AI art!) as AI is cheaper and microstock photography and drawings are the easiest replaced by AIs and the first to go.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2023, 13:34 by Her Ugliness »

ADH

« Reply #355 on: January 11, 2023, 15:15 »
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Generative AI will kill the business of illustrators as we know it in less than 6 months, specially the ones who make their living from stock illustrations. Stock photography will last maybe one more year. Most agencies will go out of business.

« Reply #356 on: January 11, 2023, 19:26 »
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Generative AI will kill the business of illustrators as we know it in less than 6 months, specially the ones who make their living from stock illustrations. Stock photography will last maybe one more year. Most agencies will go out of business.
any luddites willing to put real $ behind their apocalyptic predictions?

« Reply #357 on: January 12, 2023, 01:37 »
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These were technoligical advancements that helped you in your task. AI does the art for you. It's not a tool that helps an artist, it's a replacement.

Gameover explains some points with "AI friend or foe?", on her blog with a very brief history of art.
She calls our attention to the word artificial with comes from the greek philosopher Aristotle in his Rhetoric: artificiality (the quality of being made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally.) - very nice!  ;)

AI is a tool (1) and cannot do "the Art for you" (2).

1) It's hard in a post to explain in detail such issue regarding onto-technologies of the body but let me try to put it in this way: AI is an extension of your body not a replacement. In the same way that you don't replace your hand with a brush, you use a brush to paint. The brush doesn't paint by itself - you need a human to do it. In AI generator you need to type and work with a prompt: sort of digital code that machine can process your request.

Henry Ward Beecher once wrote, A tool is but the extension of a mans hand, and a machine is but a complex tool. This fits here in line of scientific research into embodiment. But there's disembodiment in AI too.  Which basically means that AI feeds on the output to become more efficient- it collects the data of your image to improve future Artworks. So AI is a Tool with embodiment and disembodimentfeatures.

2) AI cannot do "art" for Humans. Art is a representation or presentation of an idea in a shape/form. AI doesn't have ideas of its own, Humans do. Therefore AI cannot do Art but can be extremely efficient in drawing, playing music, etc. Best alternative is that AI it's a performer conducted by an artist. A tool to improve your Artwork just like photoshop is using with mouse and clicks interface instead of a Prompt.

A more correct comparison in advancement in technology would be for example a telephone and switchboard operators.

In my opinion that is a bad comparison because switchboard operators don't create ideas like artists. The task/job was simple connecting cables. They were a kind of cogwheel in a communication system. New technologies made it faster, better and cheaper than humans. Now we all use a Smartphone with social media.

We don't have switchboard operators anymore but how much people you think have been hired in communication companies and social media (youtube, facebook, twitter, tiktok, instagram, whatsup, signal, etc) last 20 years?

None of social media companies existed before 2004 and according to google there are 142,282 people employed in the Social Networking Sites industry in the US as of 2023. Let's not forget about UGC creators which in fact creates everyday content and get paid to feed the channel by social media, ads or product reviews...so a lot jobs here too.

I am not saying AI will replace all art, but it will certainly cause  a decrease in artists when they have a harder time to make a living from art (which was already difficult before AI art!) as AI is cheaper and microstock photography and drawings are the easiest replaced by AIs and the first to go.

Things are evolving so to expect this market not to change is to stand still in time. I do agree at some point with Gameover analysis where "plenty of artists will inevitably lose their jobs as soon as their customers learn how to order a piece of art directly at the source, a skilled and most likely way cheaper AI."
I think artists that see potential of AI in their work will continue the path. I already see a lot of UGC creators with thousands of followers only doing AI too.

This week i was approached twice by NFT collectors that want to buy my AI artwork so this can be a new market too. Others will go more for news/events and street life photography (there will always be in demand since AI cannot produce reality). Companies of every kind are hiring people to deal with social media, specially creatives that can do all in one: illustrations/ Shoot photos/videos and editing them.

At the end eventually people will adapt to new reality.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2023, 04:12 by Evaristo tenscadisto »

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #358 on: January 12, 2023, 04:29 »
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In my opinion that is a bad comparison because switchboard operators don't create ideas like artists...
There are two things going on here. Art isn't going to die but jobs for commercial illustrators will (largely) as they arent the ones (for the most part) creating ideas. Thats the client/ art director, and they wont need the artist/ illustrator to execute those ideas any more.

« Reply #359 on: January 12, 2023, 07:22 »
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These were technoligical advancements that helped you in your task. AI does the art for you. It's not a tool that helps an artist, it's a replacement.

Gameover explains some points with "AI friend or foe?", on her blog with a very brief history of art.
She calls our attention to the word artificial with comes from the greek philosopher Aristotle in his Rhetoric: artificiality (the quality of being made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally.) - very nice!  ;)

AI is a tool (1) and cannot do "the Art for you" (2).

1) It's hard in a post to explain in detail such issue regarding onto-technologies of the body but let me try to put it in this way: AI is an extension of your body not a replacement. In the same way that you don't replace your hand with a brush, you use a brush to paint. The brush doesn't paint by itself - you need a human to do it. In AI generator you need to type and work with a prompt: sort of digital code that machine can process your request.

Henry Ward Beecher once wrote, A tool is but the extension of a mans hand, and a machine is but a complex tool. This fits here in line of scientific research into embodiment. But there's disembodiment in AI too.  Which basically means that AI feeds on the output to become more efficient- it collects the data of your image to improve future Artworks. So AI is a Tool with embodiment and disembodimentfeatures.

2) AI cannot do "art" for Humans. Art is a representation or presentation of an idea in a shape/form. AI doesn't have ideas of its own, Humans do. Therefore AI cannot do Art but can be extremely efficient in drawing, playing music, etc. Best alternative is that AI it's a performer conducted by an artist. A tool to improve your Artwork just like photoshop is using with mouse and clicks interface instead of a Prompt.

A more correct comparison in advancement in technology would be for example a telephone and switchboard operators.

In my opinion that is a bad comparison because switchboard operators don't create ideas like artists. The task/job was simple connecting cables. They were a kind of cogwheel in a communication system. New technologies made it faster, better and cheaper than humans. Now we all use a Smartphone with social media.

We don't have switchboard operators anymore but how much people you think have been hired in communication companies and social media (youtube, facebook, twitter, tiktok, instagram, whatsup, signal, etc) last 20 years?

None of social media companies existed before 2004 and according to google there are 142,282 people employed in the Social Networking Sites industry in the US as of 2023. Let's not forget about UGC creators which in fact creates everyday content and get paid to feed the channel by social media, ads or product reviews...so a lot jobs here too.

I am not saying AI will replace all art, but it will certainly cause  a decrease in artists when they have a harder time to make a living from art (which was already difficult before AI art!) as AI is cheaper and microstock photography and drawings are the easiest replaced by AIs and the first to go.

Things are evolving so to expect this market not to change is to stand still in time. I do agree at some point with Gameover analysis where "plenty of artists will inevitably lose their jobs as soon as their customers learn how to order a piece of art directly at the source, a skilled and most likely way cheaper AI."
I think artists that see potential of AI in their work will continue the path. I already see a lot of UGC creators with thousands of followers only doing AI too.

This week i was approached twice by NFT collectors that want to buy my AI artwork so this can be a new market too. Others will go more for news/events and street life photography (there will always be in demand since AI cannot produce reality). Companies of every kind are hiring people to deal with social media, specially creatives that can do all in one: illustrations/ Shoot photos/videos and editing them.

At the end eventually people will adapt to new reality.
excellent, well written  👏 👏

« Reply #360 on: January 12, 2023, 09:34 »
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I am not saying AI will replace all art, but it will certainly cause  a decrease in artists when they have a harder time to make a living from art (which was already difficult before AI art!) as AI is cheaper and microstock photography and drawings are the easiest replaced by AIs and the first to go.

I don't think AI will ever be able to replace editorial stock photography (which is a big chunk of how I make a living out of this) simply because no one can make up a prompt to see what I see in my neighbourhood or street or a protest or a rally and come up with an image that depicts the scene accurately. It's simply impossible to feed that data to a dall-e or whatever obscene thing that replaces it in the future. That will only happen if there are actual robots on the streets taking pictures and I think we're a wee bit away from that. But generic stock photography like an apple with a white background? Yeah that crap isn't going to sell so much.

« Reply #361 on: January 12, 2023, 12:01 »
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AI friend or foe?, on my blog

A very brief history of art: growing up (part 2 of 5)

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/11/ai-friend-or-foe-2-of-5/



hope you like it

« Reply #362 on: January 12, 2023, 13:55 »
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AI friend or foe?, on my blog

A very brief history of art: growing up (part 2 of 5)

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/11/ai-friend-or-foe-2-of-5/



hope you like it

another great post - your examples truly showing there's 'nothing new under the sun' (except everything)

But where are the buggy-whip makers of yesteryear?
apologies to Francois Villon

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #363 on: January 12, 2023, 14:18 »
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AI friend or foe?, on my blog

A very brief history of art: growing up (part 2 of 5)

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/11/ai-friend-or-foe-2-of-5/


hope you like it

Your AI works are much better than what I get from DALL-E2. And I have read where other had to work at the descriptions, adjustment and created merged variations, until they got what they wanted. It isn't as if someone can say, make me a "photo quality image of a triple cheeseburger on a plain plate with a wood background" and they will have the perfect triple cheeseburger image for all time.



And that was one of the better results.

And just like people don't need paint, brushes or canvas to make an image that looks like a painting, because they can do that on a computer or a tablet, people will not instantly, without any experience or ability, create a masterpiece, because some AI generated image, will just dump those out for every set of prompts.

Computers have made people more efficient, digital things have made us more productive for less money in less time. AI isn't autonomous. You need someone tell and directing the creation. AI created by a computer, can't be copyrighted. There's another argument against this science. But since the human directs it, much like someone sets their camera, even if it's auto exposure and auto WB and auto focus, there's a human pushing the button.

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In my opinion that is a bad comparison because switchboard operators don't create ideas like artists...
There are two things going on here. Art isn't going to die but jobs for commercial illustrators will (largely) as they arent the ones (for the most part) creating ideas. Thats the client/ art director, and they wont need the artist/ illustrator to execute those ideas any more.

Ah, so professional photographers, who worked with film, bulky manual cameras, hand focusing and setting, and then in a dark room, and manually editing, and with enlargers, will be replaced by art directors/clients doing the work, executing the ideas. They won't need photographers anymore.  ;D Because we have digital cameras and digital editors.

Generative AI will kill the business of illustrators as we know it in less than 6 months, specially the ones who make their living from stock illustrations. Stock photography will last maybe one more year. Most agencies will go out of business.
any luddites willing to put real $ behind their apocalyptic predictions?

I don't claim to know the future... but I don't think it's going to be as bad as some people are making things out to be. 6 months? Hardly.

We are witnessing another level in the evolution of creating images and art.

« Reply #364 on: January 13, 2023, 03:30 »
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AI friend or foe?, on my blog

A very brief history of art: growing up (part 2 of 5)

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/11/ai-friend-or-foe-2-of-5/



hope you like it

Guttenberg is essential to understand where we came from and where we are going. It is at the moment when the reproducible invades the field formerly occupied by the aura, moment of its radical destruction, that aura can appear and become visible to the modern eye. You highlighted very well and in a concise way:

"yet surprisingly enough Gutenbergs felony didnt kill the literature at all; it just stripped off its aura of holy and arcane and focused it more on the contents than on the form."

I really liked the post!




 

« Reply #365 on: January 13, 2023, 04:36 »
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In my opinion that is a bad comparison because switchboard operators don't create ideas like artists...
There are two things going on here. Art isn't going to die but jobs for commercial illustrators will (largely) as they arent the ones (for the most part) creating ideas. Thats the client/ art director, and they wont need the artist/ illustrator to execute those ideas any more.

Things will be different since AI causes disruption.

There is a book called "Human + machine : reimagining work in the age of AI" published in 2018 from Paul R. Daugherty, H. James Wilson. I'm not advertising it, but I personally like some of the visions or insights the book has.

AI is already or will be in every sector of business. I won't spoil the reading too but if there's repetition, replication or redundancy in the business its a clue that tasks/processes will change. One of the things that call my attention was the scalability of companies with AI and Personalization for AI in product and Service design. It means that many companies will make personalized ads to an individual or a small group of consumers instead of one for all. 

Example: instead of one "coca-cola" video  or 10 posters for publicity to all community there will be hundreds or thousands of them spread according the data of the consumer...

The increase of advertisements will be greater in quantity and will be more diverse too. This is already happening since there's UGC creators are making videos of product reviews, unbox, or ads to spread into is own community of followers.Who hasn't seen a video of a photographer reviewing a new camera on ytube yet? 

note: btw there's also a chapter with Nike as example for designer and how they worked with AI.





« Last Edit: January 13, 2023, 06:38 by Evaristo tenscadisto »

« Reply #366 on: January 13, 2023, 06:05 »
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Meta and Shutterstock will expand their business partnership, allowing the social media company to train its artificial intelligence and machine learning systems on Shutterstocks collection of millions of images.

The two companies have announced what they categorize as a significant partnership, with the goal of bringing Metas artificial intelligence (AI) innovation to the forefront using the power of Shutterstocks massive content library.

https://petapixel.com/2023/01/12/meta-will-use-shutterstocks-image-library-to-train-its-ai/


« Reply #367 on: January 13, 2023, 08:52 »
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Does anyone know some good resources explaing how generative AI art works ?

I was wondering if the AI image is just a mosaic of tiny parts of other images, or does it "paint" a new image from scratch ? For instance let's say we have a prompt where the main subject is a cat. Is it possible that an eye or nose of that cat is just taken from some photograph in the internet ?


Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #368 on: January 13, 2023, 11:53 »
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Just played with Dall E again. These engines are definitely not all created equal. Is Dall E abandonware now or what?  Midjouney is sooo much better.  And with Dall E I get the distinct impression that they always crop crucial parts of the image to force you to use more credits to extend the render.

« Reply #369 on: January 13, 2023, 13:09 »
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Does anyone know some good resources explaing how generative AI art works ?
A good start would be looking up "neural networks".
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I was wondering if the AI image is just a mosaic of tiny parts of other images, or does it "paint" a new image from scratch ? For instance let's say we have a prompt where the main subject is a cat. Is it possible that an eye or nose of that cat is just taken from some photograph in the internet ?
No, its derived from thousands of cat eyes (or whatever) used to build up a sort of 'concept' of cat's eye, and then drawing a new one accordingly. Which also accounts pretty well for the funny notion the AI seems to have of "hand"  ::)
« Last Edit: January 13, 2023, 13:32 by gameover »

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« Reply #370 on: January 13, 2023, 15:12 »
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Just played with Dall E again. These engines are definitely not all created equal. Is Dall E abandonware now or what?  Midjouney is sooo much better.  And with Dall E I get the distinct impression that they always crop crucial parts of the image to force you to use more credits to extend the render.

Yes I said that a while back, about how DALL-E2 does unusual crops, too close, which cuts off parts of the image and someone here immediately disagreed.

I also see that it seems to add flaws and strange inclusions, which isn't impossible to fix, but I don't know why so many images have strange objects or imperfections? DALL-E2 is fun and at free 15 sets a month, I'm happy with the cartoonish illustrations that I get. Faces are often twisted, distorted and the eyes wonky, they look like a Picasso.

I hadn't considered extending the render as a way to repair the first images. Thanks for the reminder.

« Reply #371 on: January 13, 2023, 15:46 »
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AI is already or will be in every sector of business. I won't spoil the reading too but if there's repetition, replication or redundancy in the business its a clue that tasks/processes will change. One of the things that call my attention was the scalability of companies with AI and Personalization for AI in product and Service design.   
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i could have used an AI when i did computer consulting - one company was sending out 12 copies of a particular report - after days of interviews I discovered only 2 recipients actually used the report -the others just filed it 'in case they needed it'.  in another case i built a system to track  rfid on freight cars to show that buyers were using the cars for free storage - costing my client millions.  an Ai could have done the analysis directly. in either case i would have been freed to work on more interestig problems
« Last Edit: January 13, 2023, 16:02 by cascoly »

« Reply #372 on: January 13, 2023, 15:54 »
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Does anyone know some good resources explaing how generative AI art works ?

I was wondering if the AI image is just a mosaic of tiny parts of other images, or does it "paint" a new image from scratch ? For instance let's say we have a prompt where the main subject is a cat. Is it possible that an eye or nose of that cat is just taken from some photograph in the internet ?

some ML use mosaics, but not in  th e way you describe -

anyone remember 'El Topo' - it was the Rocky Horror of its day? - this shows stills from a movie that doesn't exist & explains how the AI works
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/13/opinion/jodorowsky-dune-ai-tron.html

many other references/explanations posted several times in this thread

« Reply #373 on: January 13, 2023, 15:59 »
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I hadn't considered extending the render as a way to repair the first images. Thanks for the reminder.

i've had about 50% success doing that

« Reply #374 on: January 14, 2023, 12:53 »
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AI: friend or foe? (3 of 5) on my blog

A very brief history of art: today

https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/01/13/ai-friend-or-foe-3-of-5/



have fun  :D


 

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