pancakes

MicrostockGroup Sponsors


Author Topic: best to upload to 20 microstock sites or only the best ones ?  (Read 13391 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

« on: September 23, 2013, 09:25 »
0
What is you opinion on this topic. It doesn-t matter if you have a big team, small team or it's only you, the photographer.



ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 09:38 »
0
20 people, 20 opinions.
As things are changing so fast, it's probably best right now to spread your work around, starting with the top ones from the list on the right and working down as long as time allows and see which work for your work.
It's getting the balance between shooting & processing new work and uploading to many sites, though I understand there is software which makes the latter easier.
And what works for you now might change in the next year or month.
It also depends on whether you care about almost giving your work away on the cheapest sites, possibly undercutting yourself on the others. Whether you think it's best to get higher money or a higher percentage of the selling price.
There are so many imponderables, and rapid changes that there's no correct answer, only what works for your personality and work.

« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 09:39 »
0
My own view is that I will never earn back in $ the time I spent uploading images to any of the agencies that appear below Veer on the list to the right of this screen. I only ever upload to them these days if I really am twiddling my thumbs, hungover or down with flu.

edit: the only exception being Stocksy. They're too young to have found their rightful place in the list - but that will change.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 09:41 by Monty-m-gue »

stocked

« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 09:45 »
+2
Upload only to a few! Only to a few ones that have a good work/sales-ratio and maybe one or two fair sites and use the spared time not dealing with the unsubstantial ones to create your own site!

« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2013, 09:46 »
0
Which are the best ones? I think experimenting is the only way to find that out.

« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 10:28 »
+3
If you want to be part of a grand effort to reduce prices to dust,  upload all your photos to every site you can find - large or small -  and let them compete on nothing but price.   If any of the small new sites actually start to develop significant market share and pull customers from the big sites, the big boys will just cut their prices to match.  Round and round we go, and  in a couple of years it will all be over.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 10:32 by stockastic »

« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 10:42 »
+4
If you want to be part of a grand effort to reduce prices to dust,  upload all your photos to every site you can find - large or small -  and let them compete on nothing but price.   If any of the small new sites actually start to develop significant market share and pull customers from the big sites, the big boys will just cut their prices to match.  Round and round we go, and  in a couple of years it will all be over.

And then you'll learn what 'professionals' do :)

« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2013, 11:56 »
0
Upload only to a few! Only to a few ones that have a good work/sales-ratio and maybe one or two fair sites and use the spared time not dealing with the unsubstantial ones to create your own site!

You'll probably will start to work faster, produce more and the probability will that earnings will rise, because you already earn more on those websites, instead of the smaller ones.

Even if the smaller ones, earn you 10% of income, that loss, is compensated with the increase to product to the bigger ones.

Did you guys tried this approach ?

ACS

« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2013, 12:45 »
0
If you have a ready to upload portfolio with at least 1000 photos, upload to 20 sites. But if you are at the beginning, spend your time to produce more and upload them to big 5-6 sites.

Some may say that while you are already uploading to 5, you can also upload to 20 with a little extra effort. This may be true. But don't forget it may take years for you to reach your first pay out from low earners with a small portfolio.

« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2013, 12:49 »
0
Hey guys,
what is the downside of uploading to 20 sites instead of just uploading to the top tiers?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2013, 13:02 »
+4
Hey guys,
what is the downside of uploading to 20 sites instead of just uploading to the top tiers?
  • Time spent uploading isn't time you can spend creating content.
  • That could be wasted time if a site doesn't perform for you.
  • You could be undercutting yourself. It used to be said that buyers didn't shop around, but now we more and more hear that they do, and with tools like Google Reverse Image Search, it's easy to find the same image on other sites.
  • The more sites an image is on, the more difficult it could be to chase up infringements.
  • More hassle when it comes to filling in your tax form

OTOH, your images might match with the buyers at one of the smaller sites, and you wouldn't know unless you tried.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 15:52 by ShadySue »

« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2013, 13:09 »
+1
It is different for everyone but think if your time is best spent dealing with smaller players. Right now for me return roughly like this:
Shutterstock - 70%
Fotolia,Dreamstime,123RF - 20%
The Rest - 10%

I only actively upload to Shutterstock, 123RF and Dreamstime. The rest of sites are dormant and what ever I got is without any time investment. Even if you got automated upload process submission will always take some time. Some sites have efficient workflow but some like iStock or Fotolia are just too cumbersome.

lisafx

« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2013, 14:04 »
+3
I say the answer is somewhere in the middle. I agree with ACS that if you are just starting out it is better to concentrate on the top 4 or 5 agencies.  If you have a large portfolio, it's worthwhile to expand the list to the well performing low earners. 

AFAIK there aren't 20 sites that provide enough income to be worthwhile uploading to.  I'm at 13 and some of those are pretty much a waste of time.  At least IMO. 

With 7k images I don't think it's unreasonable to expect at least a payout a month per site, and some of them are performing way under that. 

« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2013, 14:34 »
+3
If you are an illustrator you need to test some of the other sites. For me Shutterstock is the only Big 4 agency in my top 4.
For what it is worth I have 12 sites with a better RPD than any of the Big 4. I can't really view these downloads as "cannibalizing" my sales from the big 4.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 14:57 »
0
.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 15:51 by ShadySue »

EmberMike

« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2013, 15:32 »
+2
If you are an illustrator you need to test some of the other sites. For me Shutterstock is the only Big 4 agency in my top 4.
For what it is worth I have 12 sites with a better RPD than any of the Big 4. I can't really view these downloads as "cannibalizing" my sales from the big 4.

Agreed 100%. That list on the right is pretty useless as a checklist for illustrators if you want to go from the top and work down. There are companies not even on that list that earn very well.

« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2013, 17:16 »
0

If you are an illustrator you need to test some of the other sites. For me Shutterstock is the only Big 4 agency in my top 4.
For what it is worth I have 12 sites with a better RPD than any of the Big 4. I can't really view these downloads as "cannibalizing" my sales from the big 4.

And @ embermike, I am an illustrator too, what sites do you guys upload to, I recently found a new site: "toonvectors"


« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2013, 21:09 »
+1
Consider if you just uncovered a shiny new one - how many buyers have found it?

What would motivate buyers to leave the large well know sites and try this new one?  Image quality? Price?   Novelty?

Stick with the sites that actually produce sales and treat contributors fair.

« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2013, 23:37 »
0
I'm not looking for a bunch of new ones, I just uploaded to give them a try, I am interested in well performing illustrator sites the two before you were talking about :)

« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2013, 23:50 »
+1
What is you opinion on this topic. It doesn-t matter if you have a big team, small team or it's only you, the photographer.

I only upload on the sites that sells; 6 microstock agencies and Alamy. The rest is not worth my effort.... I prefer to shoot and pp the files in that time.

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2013, 00:54 »
+3
I started out very enthusiastic and uploaded to a lot of different sites. Now I am deleting my port everywhere but the top 5. it's just too much hassle for so little return.

ShadySue's comments about chasing up infringements is a good one. at least if you have the image on only one or two sites, you feel more in control.

EmberMike

« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2013, 08:59 »
+1
And @ embermike, I am an illustrator too, what sites do you guys upload to, I recently found a new site: "toonvectors"

I'm not going to give away all my secrets. :) But here's one: I make more money every month at GraphicRiver than I do at Dreamstime and Fotolia combined.

Just keep in mind that most of the people on this forum are photographers, so the poll on the right is always going to be skewed towards companies that have greater success for photographers. It's a different story for illustrators. Shutterstock is still the big one, but after that, it can be very different than what you see here.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2013, 21:10 »
+3
Because you are competing with yourself, based on price and supporting the parasites that drive down prices, and pay you almost nothing. This dilutes the sales and makes the best agencies weaker. That, and I feel that for the returns, it's a waste of time and energy. Take the best earners, if your personal high point is ten, then fine, you like working long hours for $100 a year? Better might be, four, that's a nice diverse group, with a proven track record. {opinion}

But if you want numbers, add the five top agencies on the right and then the next 16 (all the rest that have numbers) and see how much the  bottom 16 earn, added together.

Lets see bottom 16 = 57. Hey look, SS does that by themselves? Top five = 146 is almost triple.  HOLY COW!

So why did you want to work and upload to the top 21 sites?

That and with less sites, you might have better control over who's selling what and where things are being partnered from.

Personally? Top Two and Alamy because of what Alamy handles in the way of Editorial. But some people are on 50 sites and quite happy.


Hey guys,
what is the downside of uploading to 20 sites instead of just uploading to the top tiers?

« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2013, 22:36 »
0
Thanks a bunch EmberMike! ;)

« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2013, 23:39 »
0
Because you are competing with yourself, based on price and supporting the parasites that drive down prices, and pay you almost nothing. This dilutes the sales and makes the best agencies weaker. That, and I feel that for the returns, it's a waste of time and energy. Take the best earners, if your personal high point is ten, then fine, you like working long hours for $100 a year? Better might be, four, that's a nice diverse group, with a proven track record. {opinion}

But if you want numbers, add the five top agencies on the right and then the next 16 (all the rest that have numbers) and see how much the  bottom 16 earn, added together.

Lets see bottom 16 = 57. Hey look, SS does that by themselves? Top five = 146 is almost triple.  HOLY COW!

So why did you want to work and upload to the top 21 sites?

That and with less sites, you might have better control over who's selling what and where things are being partnered from.

Personally? Top Two and Alamy because of what Alamy handles in the way of Editorial. But some people are on 50 sites and quite happy.


Hey guys,
what is the downside of uploading to 20 sites instead of just uploading to the top tiers?

If your future is anything like my present at Shutterstock, then you may want to prepare for it. I'm just saying.


 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
2 Replies
2568 Views
Last post December 03, 2007, 01:18
by redfig
17 Replies
5463 Views
Last post February 05, 2009, 00:00
by Randy McKown
14 Replies
7982 Views
Last post October 24, 2009, 04:53
by eyeCatchLight
15 Replies
3040 Views
Last post April 15, 2013, 07:18
by rubyroo
3 Replies
3211 Views
Last post August 06, 2014, 08:05
by gimages

Sponsors

Mega Bundle of 5,900+ Professional Lightroom Presets

Microstock Poll Results

Sponsors

3100 Posing Cards Bundle