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Title: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: dp_dr on August 31, 2018, 03:31
Can I reffer a client to download from my portfolio or this is viewed by agencies as artificially inflating downloads?

Thanks
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: rushay on August 31, 2018, 03:43
I'm sure they don't care its all about the money.
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: increasingdifficulty on August 31, 2018, 03:48
Can I reffer a client to download from my portfolio or this is viewed by agencies as artificially inflating downloads?

Thanks

What do you think all those referral links they give out are for?  ;)

Of course you can, and should, refer clients to your portfolio. You just can't refer yourself.  :)
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: ShadySue on August 31, 2018, 05:54
If you had found the clients yourself, why wouldn't you sell direct? If they didn't do any work in finding the buyers, why should your agency get the majority of the sale value?
There might be a couple of issues which might or might not apply in your case, but at least consider direct selling.
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: qwerty on August 31, 2018, 06:18
That's not artificially inflating downloads it exactly what the agency wants you to do. Bring them the customers and then they take a massive cut.

What you're not allowed to do is buy subscription and download all your own photos as that would actually make you a profit on some sites. Your also not allowed to buy your own photos on credits because you could significantly effect the best match searches.
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: Pauws99 on August 31, 2018, 08:50
I guess the potential issue is if you refer someone and they down load your enitre portfolio or maximum allowance then split the profit? I'm sure if than happened there would be consequences. Agencies actually want people to buy large subs packages and download as little as possible ;-).
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 31, 2018, 10:05
Can I reffer a client to download from my portfolio or this is viewed by agencies as artificially inflating downloads?

What will set off the alerts is if (a) you don't have any downloads from other clients or (b) this client downloads only from you and in large numbers, especially if you then download from their portfolio in large numbers.

Otherwise, I'd echo the advice to license directly and cut out the agency
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: dp_dr on August 31, 2018, 10:26
If you had found the clients yourself, why wouldn't you sell direct? If they didn't do any work in finding the buyers, why should your agency get the majority of the sale value?
There might be a couple of issues which might or might not apply in your case, but at least consider direct selling.

It's a small project and I do not want to set up a company at the moment. On the other hand, the client needs invoice for its records. This is the reason why I want to use the agency.

 
Title: Re: Boundary between reffering clients and artificially inflating downloads
Post by: ShadySue on August 31, 2018, 10:53
If you had found the clients yourself, why wouldn't you sell direct? If they didn't do any work in finding the buyers, why should your agency get the majority of the sale value?
There might be a couple of issues which might or might not apply in your case, but at least consider direct selling.

It's a small project and I do not want to set up a company at the moment. On the other hand, the client needs invoice for its records. This is the reason why I want to use the agency.

Ok, you must live in a different legislation which I assume you understand. Otherwise I can't see why:
1. You need to set up a company, and
2. Why you can't just write an invoice.
On the very few occasions I've had a direct sale outwith an agency, I write a 'for the purpose' RM licence, write a simple invoice and detail the sale in my tax return. It seems that in the UK you need to earn £1000 before you even need to inform the IR, but that's just recent.
Anyway, it's a shame your legislation can't let you do something this simple.