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« on: August 07, 2012, 19:44 »
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I just received my first "buyout" request for an image at 123rf. I guess that just means that I am releasing all the rights to that image, and that I can no longer sell that image on 123rf or any other site. I have never sold an image in that way, so I am not really sure what kind of price to offer.

Anyone else have any thoughts about buyouts? Good idea? Bad idea?


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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2012, 23:15 »
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It all comes down to how much the image makes you and how much it will make you over the years and do they just want the rights for a few years or do they want the copyrights to it?

Because it can come down to hundreds, thousands or even tens of thousands it all depends.

Wim

« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 01:26 »
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How odd, had the same request yesterday from 123RF for two of my images.
Maybe they refused my offer and went after yours ;)

Like Barry says, all depends on what it's worth to you.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 04:05 by Wim »

« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 03:20 »
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It would take me a lot of time to remove a photo from all the sites, so I would want my estimate of the total earnings for that photo for the next 20 years plus a nice bit on top.  Not sure I could remove it immediately from some sites.

« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2012, 05:16 »
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I have actually sold exclusive images.. The biggest headache is removing them from your portfolio, especially if you have them on nearly 20 sites like me..

My price is usually $3000 to $10000 depending on the image.. (25000 to 50000 for some special images)

Never sold an exclusive image for less money.. (talking about vectors btw)

Also, I suggest that you eliminate 123rf.. I am not interested in selling exclusive rights through any site.. I received about 5-6 requests from dreamstime throughout the years I have been there and refused them all.. because If I want to get let's say $4000 from that sale, I should ask for $8000 so dreamstime gets paid as well.. This also makes it twice more difficult for the buyer..

Dreamstime is definitely not getting paid for my exclusive sale. I don't think any agency should be offering exclusive buyout options. Whatever I sold exclusively I sold it myself. No agencies involved. Even if you are going to sell it, you MUST either eliminate 123rf, or never sell it at all..
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 05:22 by cidepix »

CD123

« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 07:11 »
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Maybe just me, but if I get the chance of selling any image for $1000 or more, I will jump at the opportunity, even if the agency takes 50%. Will take nearly 4000 sales of the image at SS to make that amount (snowball's hope in hell of doing that).

Maybe I am just cheap, or too old to wait and see how many times an image sells in 20 year's time, but I 'll take the money with a big smile.

« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 07:17 »
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Maybe just me, but if I get the chance of selling any image for $1000 or more, I will jump at the opportunity, even if the agency takes 50%. Will take nearly 4000 sales of the image at SS to make that amount (snowball's hope in hell of doing that).

Maybe I am just cheap, or too old to wait and see how many times an image sells in 20 year's time, but I 'll take the money with a big smile.

The agency takes 50% alright but they double your price to the buyer.  So if you say you want $1,000 they tell the client $2,000.  So keep that in mind.  Doubling the price can be a deterrent to actually landing that kind of sale.

CD123

« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 07:31 »
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Maybe just me, but if I get the chance of selling any image for $1000 or more, I will jump at the opportunity, even if the agency takes 50%. Will take nearly 4000 sales of the image at SS to make that amount (snowball's hope in hell of doing that).

Maybe I am just cheap, or too old to wait and see how many times an image sells in 20 year's time, but I 'll take the money with a big smile.

The agency takes 50% alright but they double your price to the buyer.  So if you say you want $1,000 they tell the client $2,000.  So keep that in mind.  Doubling the price can be a deterrent to actually landing that kind of sale.
I know, that is why my doubled price of $2000 is still a $1000 less than the minimum suggested above. I will even consider taking half of the $1000 (still 2000 sales at SS).  :)

« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 09:58 »
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Maybe just me, but if I get the chance of selling any image for $1000 or more, I will jump at the opportunity, even if the agency takes 50%. Will take nearly 4000 sales of the image at SS to make that amount (snowball's hope in hell of doing that).

Maybe I am just cheap, or too old to wait and see how many times an image sells in 20 year's time, but I 'll take the money with a big smile.

The agency takes 50% alright but they double your price to the buyer.  So if you say you want $1,000 they tell the client $2,000.  So keep that in mind.  Doubling the price can be a deterrent to actually landing that kind of sale.
I know, that is why my doubled price of $2000 is still a $1000 less than the minimum suggested above. I will even consider taking half of the $1000 (still 2000 sales at SS).  :)

Well I said depending on the image.. I said it was my price.. I didn't suggest everybody do the same.. A non-selling image has no equal value to an image that has alrady made more than $1000. People usually are interested in good selling images.. it is very rare that people will be interested in a non-selling image..

who on earth would sell an image that already made $1000 in a year or two, for just $500 :)

If it's only made $10 on all sites, yeah go for it :) give it for $500.. you would be crazy not to..
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 10:01 by cidepix »

« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 16:57 »
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Well, an immediate $500 would sound pretty good if you are in trouble (kinda like a hockshop).

If the OP has photos on Featurepics I believe it is a 2 year hold on anything submitted after (was it April of 2011?).  Of course there's Photos + at Istock that has a lock in period.  I believe you can delete one photo on Dreamstime fairly easily.  Guaranteeing all these partner sites remove it is another story.

lisafx

« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2012, 17:59 »
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For me, the determining factor would be if there were recognizable people in the image.   I wouldn't be comfortable releasing the rights to an image of someone else without their specific approval.  If it's a photo without people, I would definitely go for it.  Depending on the difficulty and rarity of the image, I would charge anywhere from $200 "to infinity and beyond"  ;)

lisafx

« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2012, 18:02 »
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Of course there's Photos + at Istock that has a lock in period. 

You can delete a Photos + image from Istock at any time.  The lock in only applies to keeping it online but reverting it to the regular collection. 

« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2012, 19:44 »
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Ah... I was referring to this - didn't remember you could delete it from the site.

Once you move a file into Photo+ it will be locked into Photo+ for six months.

« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2012, 20:12 »
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Make that 3 of us now. 123 sent me an email about 2 weeks ago with a buyout request. It was for an image that has been online for 6 months and has sold a few times on all sites. I never heard back, so assume it's dead, unless the buyer is still hunting and gathering. Do you suppose it's a photographer trying to nail down a fair price for his/her own work?

BTW, my photo would be in the aromatherapy category.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 20:23 by Oshoot »

Wim

« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2012, 01:05 »
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Make that 3 of us now. 123 sent me an email about 2 weeks ago with a buyout request. It was for an image that has been online for 6 months and has sold a few times on all sites. I never heard back, so assume it's dead, unless the buyer is still hunting and gathering. Do you suppose it's a photographer trying to nail down a fair price for his/her own work?

BTW, my photo would be in the aromatherapy category.

No idea mate, I didn't expect much from it, after all, this is still microstock, so no surprise I don't hear back.
We're so cheap buyers probably think we're going to sell the rights for a 100 bucks max.

Flower image here.

gillian vann

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2012, 03:59 »
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I'm surprised the buyer hasn't tried to jump the fence (not sure what the terminology might be here, that's a real estate term) and try to find you directly. Simple google search would surely track down most of us?

Wim

« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2012, 04:10 »
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My name/email is in IPCT but most sites remove all data.


« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2012, 08:33 »
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My buyout request was for a flower image as well. No response after 2 days though


 

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