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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: Lagereek on August 11, 2012, 06:36
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Yep! Dan can not run this on his, own! its an impossible task. All of us have to chip in to some degree, its only fair that we all participate, either in know-how or some smaller contribution towards Warmpicture, advertising, PR, etc. contributing on a monthly basis, it doesnt have to be much, not if all of us are helping out.
Believe me, its very, very much in our own interest.
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How does you being there square with you going exclusive at iStockphoto as you recently announced on another thread ? Is Warmpictures RM ?
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Isn't Warmpicture only for certain contributors with high-end ports?
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Sorry! but I thought I said in my OP, "members of warmpicture", if not a member? then why on earth are you posting in this thread? ::)
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Sorry! but I thought I said in my OP, "members of warmpicture", if not a member? then why on earth are you posting in this thread? ::)
This is a discussion forum, aren't I allowed to ask questions? You are so fun to break apart with your double talk on these forums. And I am sure glad you aren't a spokesperson for Warmpicture because flopping on issues like you so readily do, we contributors would feel just like we are submitting to Istock.
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I completely agree with you Christian. It's not enough for us to complain endlessly about the situation in the micro industry. We need to lend our support to trying to improve things. For anyone who's on Warmpicture, consider helping out where you can. I knocked out a blog article in about an hour. Doesn't seem like too much to do once a month or so.
For those who aren't on Warmpicture, yes, it is a fairly selective group, but if you have a strong portfolio and/or skills in SEO, advertising, willingness to contribute some time and effort, I am sure you have nothing to lose by applying.
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Thats right Lisa! theres little doubt that many micro agencies are slowly falling apart, best we can do as contributors is at least to support ppl, who are trying to do something and Dan, is trying. As lisa says, we can not just sit by and wait for pennies from heaven. We have to do something, we have to support, in every single way we can.
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I completely agree with you Christian. It's not enough for us to complain endlessly about the situation in the micro industry. We need to lend our support to trying to improve things. For anyone who's on Warmpicture, consider helping out where you can. I knocked out a blog article in about an hour. Doesn't seem like too much to do once a month or so.
For those who aren't on Warmpicture, yes, it is a fairly selective group, but if you have a strong portfolio and/or skills in SEO, advertising, willingness to contribute some time and effort, I am sure you have nothing to lose by applying.
I "applied" once, sending a PM to Dan, he never answered back. At the time, I believed that Warmpicture will have some results. But now I seriously doubt it.
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Sorry! but I thought I said in my OP, "members of warmpicture", if not a member? then why on earth are you posting in this thread? ::)
This is a discussion forum, aren't I allowed to ask questions? You are so fun to break apart with your double talk on these forums. And I am sure glad you aren't a spokesperson for Warmpicture because flopping on issues like you so readily do, we contributors would feel just like we are submitting to Istock.
Well I am a person with double vision, you see. One eye is pointing West, the other one East. A flipp, flopp or a flapp, means nothing in this business, it just add spice to conversations. Come to think of it! where did I invite non members of WP, to even have an opinion here? nah, cant remember I did.
Kindly refrain yourself from answering or posting in this thread, youre NOT QUALIFIED!. Now be a good lad, off to bed you go with your little teddy weddy, you can always watch bollibompa on the tellie.
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Did I miss something? What is going on at Warmpicture that they need help?
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I guess thats the drawback of having an elite or limited members site - you are also limited to the pool of talent and generosity making up the members only club.
Either the members ante up what is needed to help the site survive, because the chances of anyone that hasnt been accepted or even been given the opportunity to join, to donate towards their cause is , well, not going to happen.
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LEAF!! please close this thread, Myself and Lisa, are trying to do something but all we get here are noobs and has-beens and jealous bums. We do not need that. We will talk in private instead. Thanks.
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I only posted because I didn't know how Warmpicture worked, so it was easiest for me to just post and ask. Lisa gave the perfect response. Mr. Lagergreek chose to respond a different way and I didn't appreciate his tone. But, like you say, if it's tailored only to those with a certain kind of portfolio then that's the crowd that will have to stomach the pain of helping. And I can understand the owners position to keep out the mundane, duplicate masses of images that already exist in MS. Hope it works for that crowd, but unfortunately most people by nature aren't going to chip in in such a manner that will make enough of a difference because the trigger for success is money. You can have the slickest site around but if you don't have the money to market it, the staff to support it, and a strategy for the audience you're targeting with that kind of limited collection, it's dead on arrival.
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Yikes! Christian, no point in alienating everyone who's not on Warmpicture! I don't see how opinions from people active in microstock and on these forums hurts. If anything, there might be some creative gems or marketing ideas that haven't been thought of by the existing members.
Not to mention that I think most of the contributor community has an indirect stake in the success of the contributor co-op idea. Whether or not one is a member of WP at the moment, it would be good to see it succeed simply as a way to put the agencies on notice that they need to improve conditions for contributors.
I felt and said very much the same way about Yuri's site. I'm not on it, nor am I ever likely to be asked, but if it succeeds it still sends a powerful message to the industry.
I know it's your thread, Chris, and you make the rules. But personally I am interested in everyone's input on how to make this venture a successful one.
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I am not a member and I don't have a strong portfolio yet, but I am willing to help create something new and I can provide php coding and a bit of SEO.
Maybe we can arrange something that could benefit us all in the long run.
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Did I miss something? What is going on at Warmpicture that they need help?
Advertising push.
I am not a member and I don't have a strong portfolio yet, but I am willing to help create something new and I can provide php coding and a bit of SEO.
Maybe we can arrange something that could benefit us all in the long run.
Great post Fujiko! Take a heart :D
If you haven't contacted Dan directly, you can sitemail him here:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/profile/djpadavona/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/profile/djpadavona/)
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I am not a member and I don't have a strong portfolio yet, but I am willing to help create something new and I can provide php coding and a bit of SEO.
Maybe we can arrange something that could benefit us all in the long run.
Good! thats the kind of positive reaction that is needed. One day everyone here might be a member of WP, positive attitude looking forward instead of backwards. Actually Lisa is right, all response is welcome, I mean after all we are all in this for better or worse.
Mantis! sorry if I responded in a funny way, wasnt on purpose. You know me, mean no harm.
best.
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Does this mean I can't take credit for this idea? ;D
Kidding. Best of luck. I think it is good to see contributors making a push to better their situation. I've mentioned before that I'm always open to cross promotion stuff if you are looking for additional links and what not.
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I'm not sure why I haven't done more to help WP. It might be because I'd rather there were more people allowed to upload. To get buyers, the collection needs to be huge and diverse. Just having the big portfolios doesn't do that. I was pleased to get accepted but haven't had any sales yet. It would be encouraging to get at least one and that might of made me think about what I could do to send more buyers there. I think my main reason for not doing more is that I'm not sure WP will be around in 5 years time. Reading the yahoo forum, it's been close to folding and that doesn't make me optimistic. I know I should do more but I've put in lots of hours on sites that are now closed and I'm wary of doing that again.
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I'm not sure why I haven't done more to help WP. It might be because I'd rather there were more people allowed to upload. To get buyers, the collection needs to be huge and diverse. Just having the big portfolios doesn't do that. I was pleased to get accepted but haven't had any sales yet. It would be encouraging to get at least one and that might of made me think about what I could do to send more buyers there. I think my main reason for not doing more is that I'm not sure WP will be around in 5 years time. Reading the yahoo forum, it's been close to folding and that doesn't make me optimistic. I know I should do more but I've put in lots of hours on sites that are now closed and I'm wary of doing that again.
BUT! sales will come, eventually, like in all the other agencies. The point Im trying to make is: we have to get off the ground here, we cant sit by watching one guy to run it all. Im guilty myself actaully, didnt think too far on this one.
We have got nothing to lose here, just gain but it takes time, effort and money and I doubt very much Dan is a millionarie? ( well he might be, dont know) :D
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I'm not sure why I haven't done more to help WP. It might be because I'd rather there were more people allowed to upload. To get buyers, the collection needs to be huge and diverse. Just having the big portfolios doesn't do that. I was pleased to get accepted but haven't had any sales yet. It would be encouraging to get at least one and that might of made me think about what I could do to send more buyers there. I think my main reason for not doing more is that I'm not sure WP will be around in 5 years time. Reading the yahoo forum, it's been close to folding and that doesn't make me optimistic. I know I should do more but I've put in lots of hours on sites that are now closed and I'm wary of doing that again.
Totally understand your point. There are no guarantees, that's for sure. But an occasional blog article isn't exactly putting in hours. And whether the site ultimately succeeds or not, you at least have the satisfaction that you did what you could.
It sounds really cliched, but I am not afraid of trying and failing, I am afraid of not trying at all.
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I'm not sure why I haven't done more to help WP. It might be because I'd rather there were more people allowed to upload. To get buyers, the collection needs to be huge and diverse. Just having the big portfolios doesn't do that. I was pleased to get accepted but haven't had any sales yet. It would be encouraging to get at least one and that might of made me think about what I could do to send more buyers there. I think my main reason for not doing more is that I'm not sure WP will be around in 5 years time. Reading the yahoo forum, it's been close to folding and that doesn't make me optimistic. I know I should do more but I've put in lots of hours on sites that are now closed and I'm wary of doing that again.
Totally understand your point. There are no guarantees, that's for sure. But an occasional blog article isn't exactly putting in hours. And whether the site ultimately succeeds or not, you at least have the satisfaction that you did what you could.
It sounds really cliched, but I am not afraid of trying and failing, I am afraid of not trying at all.
I actually go a bit further! considering the present climate in micro. Can we afford NOT, to try? we have all been shouting for a co-op, or whatever you call it. Well, what are we waiting for? the man in the moon?
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I believe a site like this needs some exclusive content to have an edge over other agencies, maybe going as far as being the only site to have new content from its members for at least six months, and lots of noise (ads, blogs, posts, forum talks, business cards, phone calls).
If the problem has been that only one person has done everything and the rest acted like it was another agency like the rest, then maybe the site needs some kind of software to control and keep track of work done by members. Some tasks can be tracked and measured easier than others. Server logs should be analyzed to find what works and what doesn't.
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I believe a site like this needs some exclusive content to have an edge over other agencies, maybe going as far as being the only site to have new content from its members for at least six months, and lots of noise (ads, blogs, posts, forum talks, business cards, phone calls).
If the problem has been that only one person has done everything and the rest acted like it was another agency like the rest, then maybe the site needs some kind of software to control and keep track of work done by members. Some tasks can be tracked and measured easier than others. Server logs should be analyzed to find what works and what doesn't.
Good points! whatever, ads, blogs, PR, everything to get noticed.
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Boy you take a long afternoon nap, and look what you miss. :D
Specifically what Warmpicture needs right now is a better link profile. We have made some important changes to the website recently, and those have directly resulted in higher sales. However we need to build out our links to achieve the traffic we need to succeed. As it is, we are right on the edge of profitability, which I am very proud of. The best way to do this is to write interesting blog articles on topics which apply to our industry. (photography tips, views on the stock industry, graphic design, etc).
Lisa and Jami are each contributing articles. I write a few per week. It's important to get more people involved, and also to get our "street team" actively participating on graphic designer forums and getting our name out there (without spamming of course). I have long said that I believe fellow artists would identify with our predicament, and think very hard about switching out of the traditional agencies if they knew they could get a good price, while directly supporting other artists.
This probably belongs on a private message board, or at least in the selling stock direct forum.
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I think warmpictures is a great idea. BUT having had a look at the images it clearly lacks the diversity of the existing sites. Too many gaps.Maybe you need not to be so exclusive? When you are missing a good coverage of niche categories as well as may stream buyers can't stay there. They have to go back to other sites so why go there and complicate their working life if they still need to go back to SS etc? Its like IS without independents.
I looked up "koala" - none , "Cambodia" - none , "Sydney " -none (three categories i had recently uploaded). Have lectured in marketing the analogy I used for students was it is like carrying one tyre in stock. Inevitable customers need two or four. What do they do? Buy the one from you and one or three elsewhere? No they get them all somewhere else. I don't shoot main stream business people shots. They sell more than other shots but the market is very full. For many of us uploading popular categories is becoming pointless because getting your files seen is too hard. Niche areas need coverage by wp. You can get the main picture types/portfolios off any site.
I am not a member of wp so ignore me if you like. Understand however that marketing is not just "promotion". You need to consider your whole marketing mix and tailor you promotion to the stage of the life cycle you are currently at.
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ps. Yuri is a brand himself and is different in his approach. Having a site for him gives options and leverage. He is organised administratively. For those addicted to Yuri type shots it is perfect for them. They know what they are getting top quality stock people shots. I am sure his marketing strategy will evolve to suit the outcomes (maybe to include other artists in lean categories?).
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I think warmpictures is a great idea. BUT having had a look at the images it clearly lacks the diversity of the existing sites. Too many gaps.Maybe you need not to be so exclusive? When you are missing a good coverage of niche categories as well as may stream buyers can't stay there. They have to go back to other sites so why go there and complicate their working life if they still need to go back to SS etc? Its like IS without independents.
I looked up "koala" - none , "Cambodia" - none , "Sydney " -none (three categories i had recently uploaded). Have lectured in marketing the analogy I used for students was it is like carrying one tyre in stock. Inevitable customers need two or four. What do they do? Buy the one from you and one or three elsewhere? No they get them all somewhere else. I don't shoot main stream business people shots. They sell more than other shots but the market is very full. For many of us uploading popular categories is becoming pointless because getting your files seen is too hard. Niche areas need coverage by wp. You can get the main picture types/portfolios off any site.
I am not a member of wp so ignore me if you like. Understand however that marketing is not just "promotion". You need to consider your whole marketing mix and tailor you promotion to the stage of the life cycle you are currently at.
Well I think you do have some valid points here! OTOH, whats the point really in aiming to become a main-stream supplier of stock, theres enough of that I think. Perhaps as you say, WP, could market itself as the agency, housing special material, etc, nieched material, hard to find elsewhere, or something like that.
Ofcourse, any agency do need their bread and butter categories. I think it would be pretty tough trying to survive on special material alone.
I can see your point though.
best.
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They can get mainstream anywhere. TS? lol. Unless it is a brand preference eg Yuri. They may as well stay where they are. Good luck with the current strategy but mainstream with low brand awareness and limited product range? mmm better if you sought niche buyers because you don't have niche product. It is not the public you need to inform but niche buyers and look to what is in it for them, not you.
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They can get mainstream anywhere. TS? lol. Unless it is a brand preference eg Yuri. They may as well stay where they are. Good luck with the current strategy but mainstream with low brand awareness and limited product range? mmm better if you sought niche buyers because you don't have niche product. It is not the public you need to inform but niche buyers and look to what is in it for them, not you.
@Lagereek: no blood, so no harm, no foul ;)...onward.
@Mark: this was the point I was making about content being so specific that you'd only have a limited audience. So, for WP to be viable, maybe they should focus on becoming GREAT in the areas where traditional MS is failing:
1. Keywording accuracy
2. Search accuracy and fairness will attract good photographers
3. Reward good selling ports with higher upload limits and/or commissions. I may get flamed here but my thoughts are along the lines of a carrot and a stick. If contributors are uploading content that sells, wouldn't you want to find ways to encourage them to upload more, excite and energize them? And those whose ports don't do well remain more controlled by upload limits and commissions. You can base this on things like sales as a percentage of your port size so that you don't discriminate based on portfolio size. I think this encourages people to be more selective on what they upload because it truly does affect their income.
4. Limit similars. I mean this in the way that some peeps submit slightly different angles of the same exact shot 7-10 times.
5. System audits. I know this sounds impossible (and maybe it is) but conducting collection audits for keywords, similars and search (those things that are MS killers) would add a level of discipline that contributors are aware of and fearful of if they try to buck the system.
6. Exclusivity. If this is an option make it worthwhile for the exclusive contributor. They are throwing all of their eggs into one basket. How do you do this? I don't know without giving them better placement in the search, which affects #2.
Just a few thoughts.
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Boy you take a long afternoon nap, and look what you miss. :D
Specifically what Warmpicture needs right now is a better link profile. We have made some important changes to the website recently, and those have directly resulted in higher sales. However we need to build out our links to achieve the traffic we need to succeed. As it is, we are right on the edge of profitability, which I am very proud of. The best way to do this is to write interesting blog articles on topics which apply to our industry. (photography tips, views on the stock industry, graphic design, etc).
Lisa and Jami are each contributing articles. I write a few per week. It's important to get more people involved, and also to get our "street team" actively participating on graphic designer forums and getting our name out there (without spamming of course). I have long said that I believe fellow artists would identify with our predicament, and think very hard about switching out of the traditional agencies if they knew they could get a good price, while directly supporting other artists.
This probably belongs on a private message board, or at least in the selling stock direct forum.
I've tried writing articles and I don't enjoy it. Even found keeping a blog going too tedious. Why not pay people that enjoy writing and are good at it a small commission whenever someone that signs up through their links buys something? There wont be any upfront costs, because they will only make money from new buyers that spend money. There's lots of bloggers using affiliate schemes, wont they be ideal to drive traffic to WP?
Did a search and found this site. Not what I was thinking of and I only found one positive comment in a forum about it but it might be worth a look http://www.referralcandy.com (http://www.referralcandy.com)
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Sorry! but I thought I said in my OP, "members of warmpicture", if not a member? then why on earth are you posting in this thread? ::)
Because as bhr said, one moment you're saying you're going exclusive with iStock the next minute you start a thread about Warmpicture, so naturally the rest of us want to see what you're raving about now.
Is there a Mrs Lagereek (or other form of significant other)? S/HE! must go, nuts! with your constant, vacillations.
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Sorry! but I thought I said in my OP, "members of warmpicture", if not a member? then why on earth are you posting in this thread? ::)
Because as bhr said, one moment you're saying you're going exclusive with iStock the next minute you start a thread about Warmpicture, so naturally the rest of us want to see what you're raving about now.
Is there a Mrs Lagereek (or other form of significant other)? S/HE! must go, nuts! with your constant, vacillations.
Oh yes indeed theres a Mrs Lagereek around and SHE IS WORSE! then I am. totally unpredictable in every way. ;D ;D almost as you are ;D
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Sorry! but I thought I said in my OP, "members of warmpicture", if not a member? then why on earth are you posting in this thread? ::)
Because as bhr said, one moment you're saying you're going exclusive with iStock the next minute you start a thread about Warmpicture, so naturally the rest of us want to see what you're raving about now.
Is there a Mrs Lagereek (or other form of significant other)? S/HE! must go, nuts! with your constant, vacillations.
Oh yes indeed theres a Mrs Lagereek around and SHE IS WORSE! then I am. totally unpredictable in every way. ;D ;D almost as you are ;D
Nah, I am mind-numbingly, boringly predictible.
I keep telling myself to do something unexpected, but it never seems to happen.
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Nah, I am mind-numbingly, boringly predictible.
I keep telling myself to do something unexpected, but it never seems to happen.
LOL. Can you plan to do something unexpected? ;D
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Nah, I am mind-numbingly, boringly predictible.
I keep telling myself to do something unexpected, but it never seems to happen.
LOL. Can you plan to do something unexpected? ;D
:D
I'm not a blogger/writer or twitterer or much of a FBer either, but I can help out with graphics (and have in the past).
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Nah, I am mind-numbingly, boringly predictible.
I keep telling myself to do something unexpected, but it never seems to happen.
LOL. Can you plan to do something unexpected? ;D
:D
I'm not a blogger/writer or twitterer or much of a FBer either, but I can help out with graphics (and have in the past).
No and neither am I but Im pretty good in writing actually and ofcourse ( insulting people) but I suppose thats not a must, although I could easily bully buyers into buying. :D could probably palm off a refridgerator as a hot stove.
Im very good with PR and advertising, etc.
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I think you might be better off contacting WP contributors via email. Much more personal and looks a lot less desperate - maybe talk to WP buyers of the past to find out where the problems are?
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I think you might be better off contacting WP contributors via email. Much more personal and looks a lot less desperate - maybe talk to WP buyers of the past to find out where the problems are?
I don't think Christian was trying to make it sound desperate (it's just his writing style), I think that's very far from the truth. I think WP is gaining momentum every day. I think he just meant that we could push it even farther, faster, if we all contributed. A good portion of us do already, and yes, we are already in contact through another means.
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I think you might be better off contacting WP contributors via email. Much more personal and looks a lot less desperate - maybe talk to WP buyers of the past to find out where the problems are?
I don't think Christian was trying to make it sound desperate (it's just his writing style), I think that's very far from the truth. I think WP is gaining momentum every day. I think he just meant that we could push it even farther, faster, if we all contributed. A good portion of us do already, and yes, we are already in contact through another means.
Halfhag is just trying to be funny, silver exclusive at IS, smallfry. Exactly theres no panic and theres nothing wrong, nothing going on. So we are all trying to speed things up and participate a bit.
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Really a wealth of good info in this thread. I am impressed with the idea of targeting niche buyers. Perhaps once the desirable niches are identified, it would be worth approaching contributors who have good material in those areas and asking them to join up.
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I have no personal stake in this site, but at the beginning you have the ability to have the best search engine around. But what do I find? Puppies in the 'wildlife' category.
'Should do better'.
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I think you might be better off contacting WP contributors via email. Much more personal and looks a lot less desperate - maybe talk to WP buyers of the past to find out where the problems are?
I don't think Christian was trying to make it sound desperate (it's just his writing style), I think that's very far from the truth. I think WP is gaining momentum every day. I think he just meant that we could push it even farther, faster, if we all contributed. A good portion of us do already, and yes, we are already in contact through another means.
Halfhag is just trying to be funny, silver exclusive at IS, smallfry. Exactly theres no panic and theres nothing wrong, nothing going on. So we are all trying to speed things up and participate a bit.
I'm not trying to be funny, I was trying to help - that was quite insulting, especially as I was a diamond last time I looked.
I bow to you and withdraw a beaten man.
All the best,
Smallfry. (Halfshag)
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I think you might be better off contacting WP contributors via email. Much more personal and looks a lot less desperate - maybe talk to WP buyers of the past to find out where the problems are?
I don't think Christian was trying to make it sound desperate (it's just his writing style), I think that's very far from the truth. I think WP is gaining momentum every day. I think he just meant that we could push it even farther, faster, if we all contributed. A good portion of us do already, and yes, we are already in contact through another means.
Halfhag is just trying to be funny, silver exclusive at IS, smallfry. Exactly theres no panic and theres nothing wrong, nothing going on. So we are all trying to speed things up and participate a bit.
I'm not trying to be funny, I was trying to help - that was quite insulting, especially as I was a diamond last time I looked.
I bow to you and withdraw a beaten man.
All the best,
Smallfry. (Halfshag)
Well actually it was meant as a joke, I know youre diamond, we are all open for suggestions, who knows one day you might be forced to join us. :)
all the best.
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Well actually it was meant as a joke, I know youre diamond, we are all open for suggestions, who knows one day you might be forced to join us. :)
all the best.
Ah OK I thought you looked me up and trashed my reputation based on iS fudge badges - what a colossal cock I am!
I honestly wish WP a lot of success but not as much as Stockami - fair? :)
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I have no personal stake in this site, but at the beginning you have the ability to have the best search engine around. But what do I find? Puppies in the 'wildlife' category.
'Should do better'.
I think you are right Sue that I have to do better. But most sites have an animals/wildlife category which encompasses everything from goldfish to dogs to killer whales. Our categories are very broad, per SS. What we allow people to do is to drift to a category, then search within that category for something specific (like dogs or killer whales).
Internal search is something which would bare fruit later down the road. Most of our traffic lands directly on an image (through Google Images mainly), so when they click to our image they have essentially already found what they are looking for. I think our landing page accounts for something like 10% of our entry traffic.
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...I honestly wish WP a lot of success but not as much as Stockami - fair? :)
It's level pegging so far for me. Total earnings on both sites is $0.00 :) I wish both sites lots of success and hope all contributors are as patient as I am.
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I have no personal stake in this site, but at the beginning you have the ability to have the best search engine around. But what do I find? Puppies in the 'wildlife' category.
'Should do better'.
I think you are right Sue that I have to do better. But most sites have an animals/wildlife category which encompasses everything from goldfish to dogs to killer whales. Our categories are very broad, per SS. What we allow people to do is to drift to a category, then search within that category for something specific (like dogs or killer whales).
Internal search is something which would bare fruit later down the road. Most of our traffic lands directly on an image (through Google Images mainly), so when they click to our image they have essentially already found what they are looking for. I think our landing page accounts for something like 10% of our entry traffic.
If you search "wildlife" as a keyword in the seach it returns animals that I would consider to be wildlife. i.e. not horses,puppies and goldfish.
Is warm picture an agency or a co-op ?
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I have no personal stake in this site, but at the beginning you have the ability to have the best search engine around. But what do I find? Puppies in the 'wildlife' category.
'Should do better'.
I think you are right Sue that I have to do better. But most sites have an animals/wildlife category which encompasses everything from goldfish to dogs to killer whales.
Yours isn't animals/wildlife, it's just 'wildlife'.
The point it that 'most sites' have spammers and the ignorant who don't know what things are and just keyword them any old way. At the beginning this should be weeded out so that you get a clean search. That would be your USP.
Indeed, "internal search could bear fruit further down the road", but by that time, who's going to clean up the mess?
No matter, it's totally irrelevant to me. Just a potentially helpful suggestion, based on a real-life experience when I showed iStock to a potential image buyer, and the search results were so poor (because of spam/ignorance) that he was calling others over to have a laugh at the results.
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I have no personal stake in this site, but at the beginning you have the ability to have the best search engine around. But what do I find? Puppies in the 'wildlife' category.
'Should do better'.
I think you are right Sue that I have to do better. But most sites have an animals/wildlife category which encompasses everything from goldfish to dogs to killer whales.
Yours isn't animals/wildlife, it's just 'wildlife'.
The point it that 'most sites' have spammers and the ignorant who don't know what things are and just keyword them any old way. At the beginning this should be weeded out so that you get a clean search. That would be your USP.
Indeed, "internal search could bear fruit further down the road", but by that time, who's going to clean up the mess?
No matter, it's totally irrelevant to me. Just a potentially helpful suggestion, based on a real-life experience when I showed iStock to a potential image buyer, and the search results were so poor (because of spam/ignorance) that he was calling others over to have a laugh at the results.
Come on now Sue, drop this silly crown! and join us, we fight for a good cause here! a real, genuine Scotish lass would have gone with us ages ago. ;D ;D ;D
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Come on now Sue, drop this silly crown! and join us, we fight for a good cause here! a real, genuine Scotish lass would have gone with us ages ago. ;D ;D ;D
I thought it was by invite, A-listers only?
Anyway, I have my reputation to consider: "You'll always find me sitting in the kitchen at parties" (if I even go!).
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You know what the problem is, with Lagereek asking for help. I am not long on this forum, but I dont like his approach on the forum here and Dan was first to slag me off about my port without ever seeing it.
I am not a member so I cant help out, but because of the personalities and interactions with both persons, I wouldnt even consider it. Not that they care, but just something to think about. And I am sure I am not the only one feeling like this. You cant expect people to jump in and help you, if you are portraying yourself in a negative manner with the constant jabbing.
For example, some posters here comes across as a nice genuine persons to me, I would help them if needed.
I am not trying to start a flame, nor do I want to take this thread off topic. I hope you get the help that is needed to save WP.
Good luck.
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You know what the problem is, with Lagereek asking for help. I am not long on this forum, but I dont like his approach on the forum here and Dan was first to slag me off about my port without ever seeing it.
I am not a member so I cant help out, but because of the personalities and interactions with both persons, I wouldnt even consider it. Not that they care, but just something to think about. And I am sure I am not the only one feeling like this. You cant expect people to jump in and help you, if you are portraying yourself in a negative manner with the constant jabbing.
For example, some posters here comes across as a nice genuine persons to me, I would help them if needed.
I am not trying to start a flame, nor do I want to take this thread off topic. I hope you get the help that is needed to save WP.
Good luck.
Well, youre excused and I really dont think we will have any sleepless nights regarding your help or not. Nobody is asking for help, cooperation is the right word. thought that was obvious.
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Well, youre excused and I really dont think we will have any sleepless nights regarding your help or not. Nobody is asking for help, cooperation is the right word. thought that was obvious.
Not so; from your OP: "All of us have to chip in to some degree, its only fair that we all participate, either in know-how or some smaller contribution towards Warmpicture, advertising, PR, etc. contributing on a monthly basis, it doesnt have to be much, not if all of us are helping out."
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Sue, why do you, and many others here still bother with this guy?
He's missing a few, you above all people should get that by now.
or is this microstockgrouptherapy.com ?
Anyway, you made me post in a thread that I have no business in, as he will kindly inform me about, so I'll take off ;)
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*sigh*
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Sue, why do you, and many others here still bother with this guy?
He's missing a few, you above all people should get that by now.
Och, I know, and I shouldn't mock the afflicted.
Still, it's more fun than housework. ;)
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sigh! yes, how old is this guy? 15.
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Well, youre excused and I really dont think we will have any sleepless nights regarding your help or not. Nobody is asking for help, cooperation is the right word. thought that was obvious.
Not so; from your OP: "All of us have to chip in to some degree, its only fair that we all participate, either in know-how or some smaller contribution towards Warmpicture, advertising, PR, etc. contributing on a monthly basis, it doesnt have to be much, not if all of us are helping out."
Sigh! yet again, sigh.
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*sigh*
Paul! funny isnt it. this thread has mostly attracted non mombers of WP, I wonder why? I mean Sue and wim, etc, they have a lot to say about WP, wonder why?
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*sigh*
Paul! funny isnt it. this thread has mostly attracted non mombers of WP, I wonder why? I mean Sue and wim, etc, they have a lot to say about WP, wonder why?
I had only the search to say about WP. Otherwise, I don't care. You asked for some help. I offered my 2p worth.
Otherwise, I have nothing to say about WP.
More interesting is the obverse of your observation: i.e. your cry to arms hasn't attracted many members of WP. I wonder why?
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My sigh was for the overall (mis)direction of the thread, not for particular people.
I was in WP at the start but didn't upload much (anything?) because of the lack of FTP.
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the thread is now locked - it isn't going anywhere and there is more bickering than anything else.