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« on: June 06, 2024, 16:17 »
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In this article ...
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/06/change-to-adobe-terms-amp-conditions/

it states ...

A change to Adobe terms & conditions for apps like Photoshop has outraged many professional users, concerned that the company is claiming the right to access their content, use it freely, and even sub-licence it to others.

To Repeat: Adobe is claiming the right to access users' content, use it freely, and even sub-licence it to others

The company is requiring users to agree to the new terms in order to continue using their Adobe apps, locking them out until they do so

Adobe says that its new terms clarify that we may access your content through both automated and manual methods, such as for content review.

WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?



« Last Edit: June 06, 2024, 17:38 by The Mighty Jungle »


« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2024, 16:42 »
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 :o :o :o
Impossible. Adobe is an Ethical company!
No???  :P :P :P

« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2024, 17:23 »
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Here's another article on Adobe's new terms:

Adobe's new terms of service unacceptably gives them access to all of your projects, for free

https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/06/adobes-new-terms-of-service-unacceptably-gives-them-access-to-all-of-your-projects-for-free

And another:

Adobe joins Microsoft in admitting it's now basically spyware ... 
Updated terms give Adobe the right to access your content through both automated and manual methods. 

https://www.thestack.technology/adobe-joins-microsoft-in-admitting-its-now-basically-spyware/
« Last Edit: June 06, 2024, 17:32 by The Mighty Jungle »

« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2024, 17:24 »
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Maybe the AI training well that is Adobe Stock is not running fast enough for their AI training needs. Using every Adobe user's content to train firefly would fall under the umbrella of "improving the Services and Software".

One of the reasons I am not a big fan of the subscription software model where terms can be updated at any time with no recourse but to leave.

Or maybe it is some completely innocent thing that is incredibly poorly worded and announced.

« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2024, 17:52 »
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https://petapixel.com/2024/06/06/photographers-outraged-by-adobes-new-privacy-and-content-terms/

I don't know which products produce the "new terms" dialog shown in this article - I just restarted Photoshop and did not get any dialog about new terms.

The wording about content being uploaded suggests it might be related to things like Creative Cloud Express where work is done online - and I don't use any online portion of Adobe's services. All files and edits are done locally.

It's a shame that Canva bought Affinity :)

The occupants of the C-suite at Adobe don't seem to have a clue about the world most of their users live, work and operate in. They're busy chasing AI glory and a boost in the stock price.

I did follow the advice at the end of the article to turn off the permission for Adobe to analyze my content (which I don't remember turning on so it must have been on by default). They have a FAQ page about what this sharing is should you wish to read more

https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/machine-learning-faq.html

Adobe responded to Venture Beat

https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-responds-to-vocal-uproar-over-new-terms-of-service-language/
« Last Edit: June 06, 2024, 18:01 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2024, 17:57 »
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« Last Edit: June 06, 2024, 18:18 by The Mighty Jungle »

« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2024, 18:12 »
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A series of posts on another forum I'm on explains that this has been completely blown out of proportion. Nothing has changed with the terms - Adobe made the mistake of saying the quiet parts out loud when attempting to update verbiage. Section 4.1 deals directly with Cloud services.

See a statement from Adobe's Scott Belsky: ( https://petapixel.com/2024/06/06/photographers-outraged-by-adobes-new-privacy-and-content-terms/ )
(1) any modern cloud service has legal screening requirements like child exploitation imagery - the TOS ability to review is legally required for those who host content.
(2) the license required solely for the purpose of operating is required to do basic things for customers, like making thumbnails, open a file on the Photoshop web app, index for search, etc. and when we support third-party integrations for workflows, that requires a sublicense.
(3) we have always used ML to improve masking, selection and other basic tools, but explicitly dont train Firefly GenAI on customer content, it is trained on a licensed dataset with a customer compensation program that is well documented.

But I agree the summary wording is unclear and Ive given that feedback to legal. the actual TOS are similar to any other modern software provider with cloud features that requires the service be able to access a file like when a user wants to open it on Photoshop web app, needs files indexed for search purposes, chooses to share a document for review online with a colleague, auto-tagging in Lightroom, or other cloud-enabled capabilities. And many of these capabilities technically require a license solely for the purpose of operating as stated. Adobe has had something like this in TOS for over a decade."

« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2024, 13:59 »
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In this article ...
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/06/change-to-adobe-terms-amp-conditions/

it states ...

A change to Adobe terms & conditions for apps like Photoshop has outraged many professional users, concerned that the company is claiming the right to access their content, use it freely, and even sub-licence it to others.

To Repeat: Adobe is claiming the right to access users' content, use it freely, and even sub-licence it to others....



it's nowhere near as dire as you imply--

it might help if you read his followup post!
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/07/adobe-terms-clarified/

he writes
They go on to specify that this review is for CSAM, as well as app usage which breaks the companys terms of use such as for spamming, or hosting adult content outside of the area designated for this.

it appears to apply to content you supply to adobe -

FROM ADOBE:
Adobe does not train Firefly Gen AI models on customer content. Firefly generative AI models are trained on a dataset of licensed content, such as Adobe Stock, and public domain content where copyright has expired. Read more here: https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/faq.html#training-data

Adobe will never assume ownership of a customers work. Adobe hosts content to enable customers to use our applications and services. Customers own their content and Adobe does not assume any ownership of customer work.


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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2024, 00:38 »
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Whatever Adobe does, let them do it.  They throw more than enough bone back.   If there was an option to be Adobe exclusive, I'd happily ditch all other 10 cent / 15% agencies. 

« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2024, 00:01 »
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saw on youtube as comment lol:
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"We only train AI on licenced content."

Fine print:
"By using our service you give us a license btw."
"

« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2024, 11:13 »
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saw on youtube as comment lol:
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"We only train AI on licenced content."

Fine print:
"By using our service you give us a license btw."
"

and what's wrong with that? it's boilerplate ToS (always fine print). if you don't agree they won't se it - isn't that solving the complaints that AI training doesn't ask their permission?

- some go much further, such as many contests which state when you submit you are giving them license to use your image in any way they wish.

« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2024, 11:21 »
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After Effects, Media Encoder, and Premiere now require a login to open. They close by themselves every 20 minutes or so, and you need to log in every time you reopen them. It's incredibly frustrating!

« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2024, 13:43 »
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After Effects, Media Encoder, and Premiere now require a login to open. They close by themselves every 20 minutes or so, and you need to log in every time you reopen them. It's incredibly frustrating!

Save frustration and your money.
Use Da Vinci for edit. Hitfilm and blender for effects or 2d animations. Unreal engine (like blender) good option for 3d animations.
All mentioned are free and very good. ;)

« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2024, 16:08 »
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You are right!

Adobe has been causing me a lot of problems. It is time for a change.

« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 19:03 »
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