Author Topic: Copycats (Read 16173 times)

ifongokea · « **Reply #25 on:** April 23, 2010, 02:28 »

Sorry for not describe in details.
Did see the splash on the right ? It's exactly a duplicate of my image.

Thanks

fotografer · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2010, 03:14 »

The 2 images that you have put links to are totally different. Are you saying that in the place where it says "similar images" that your photo was showing there because now it isn't? In that place images from different photographers are shown so maybe it was just a link to your image. Try clicking on it and see if it takes you to your portfolio.

Albert Martin · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2010, 03:32 »

Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 01:51

Hi all,
I'm not very new in microstock, but only active for 18 months or so.
I need some advice in this situation,
My image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/water-image2922941
and others image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-water-image10005785

What do you think?
Thanks in advanced

Not even close to copy...
Only concept is the same!
It is just my humble 'dinosaur' opinion.

gostwyck · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2010, 04:24 »

Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 02:28

Sorry for not describe in details.
Did see the splash on the right ? It's exactly a duplicate of my image.

I see your point. They have taken your image and combined it with others. That's not 'copying' __ that's plain theft. You need to contact DT and report it immediately (check to see if Xetra is on other sites too).

Dook · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2010, 04:36 »

Contact support! That is the best way to solve this problem.The right half of the image is the exact copy of your image.

gostwyck · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2010, 04:58 »

They've used your image within other compositions elsewhere too. Here's an example at SS;

http://www.shutterstock.com/results.mhtml#photo_id=32359321

ifongokea · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2010, 05:18 »

Thanks Gostwyck.
At first i just noticed the file at Istock, and when i see that he/she only have 4+ files, i did contact Istock support.
And the respond from Istock:

"I would first like to say that I do understand your concern regarding this matter and we do take this seriously.

In order to protect works in such a way that doesn’t preempt future works, copyright protects the expression of an idea, yet not the idea itself. If copyright extended to the underlying idea and granted exclusive rights in an idea to one author, it would ultimately discourage thousands of original works for every other person.

Some of the very first “water on white background concept” images on our site date back to June of 2005.
Examples are 654751 and 656608.
Your portfolio starting adding this concept of files approximately August of 2007.

As I am sure you can understand, this is a very difficult situation for iStockphoto to enforce. We are not in a position to say that member’s cannot submit an image because another came up with the idea or concept before they did. I do hope that you understand this position and that this email has provided clarification on this matter."

After that i did go to other sites(at least 10 others sites) to check... and found at least 8 others images from 2 of my images at all sites.
I post it here just to see whether anyone of you have your image taken by him/her.
If only mine was taken, then i might send her a mail ask her to take down those affected images, because i found that she has 2+++ files at SS.
Because of a few not good seller, she might has to pay a heavy price....(2000 files is not easy).
Is this good?

Thanks

gostwyck · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2010, 05:33 »

Seriously, what Xetra is doing is about the most serious offence in stock __ essentially they are claiming copyright and selling imagery that they don't own. That extends to parts of the image too if they are composites.

If they are doing it to you there is a strong likelihood that they are doing it to others or using other sources of copyright material.

Istock's response suggests to me that they did not understand the true nature of your complaint __ just as the first few responses here misunderstood you. Xetra is not copying your image, they are actually using it. Big difference.

Please report this individual to all agencies in which they are using your image.

Here they are with another variation of your image on FT;

http://en.fotolia.com/id/14836599

ifongokea · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2010, 06:14 »

This is a combine of my photo: http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4071685-water-splash.php
and the other guys': http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4585588-ice-splash-in-the-glass-of-water.php

became this : http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-12459445-water.php

Do you all agree ? (before i contact support again!)

Thanks

Perry · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2010, 07:00 »

Quote from: Albert Martin on April 23, 2010, 03:32

Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 01:51
Hi all,
I'm not very new in microstock, but only active for 18 months or so.
I need some advice in this situation,
My image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/water-image2922941
and others image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-water-image10005785

What do you think?
Thanks in advanced

Not even close to copy...
Only concept is the same!
It is just my humble 'dinosaur' opinion.

You should really look more carefully... the splashes are identical.

Ifongokea, you should contact the support.

gostwyck · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2010, 07:05 »

Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 06:14

This is a combine of my photo: http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4071685-water-splash.php
and the other guys': http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4585588-ice-splash-in-the-glass-of-water.php

became this : http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-12459445-water.php

Do you all agree ? (before i contact support again!)

Thanks

Very well spotted __ no doubt at all. Get on to Support straight away and also the other agencies too.

click_click · « **Reply #36 on:** April 23, 2010, 07:18 »

You are absolutely correct, this is theft and against the contributing terms.

Write to all agencies involved with links to the image and if necessary make a layered PSD showing their image and yours on a separate layer aligned so it can be easily verified. Shutterstock once asked me to do that for them.

This is a no brainer. Those IS images have been uploaded recently as well.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #37 on:** April 23, 2010, 08:21 »

I'm sure X-etra will be gone before the day is done.

yupiramos · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2010, 08:37 »

what ¿? is an identical copy, look at the right margin.....

Quote from: fotografer on April 23, 2010, 02:04

I really don't see your point here. They are both images of water like 1000's of other similars. Nothing new or original in either and they aren't even very alike..
Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 01:51
Hi all,
I'm not very new in microstock, but only active for 18 months or so.
I need some advice in this situation,
My image:
newbielink:http://www.dreamstime.com/water-image2922941 [nonactive]
and others image:
newbielink:http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-water-image10005785 [nonactive]

What do you think?
Thanks in advanced

fotografer · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2010, 09:00 »

Apologies, you are absolutely right. I looked at it first thing this morning while half asleep and assumed at first glance that the OP was complaining about a concept being copied.

Quote from: yupiramos on April 23, 2010, 08:37

what ¿? is an identical copy, look at the right margin.....

Quote from: fotografer on April 23, 2010, 02:04
I really don't see your point here. They are both images of water like 1000's of other similars. Nothing new or original in either and they aren't even very alike..
Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 01:51
Hi all,
I'm not very new in microstock, but only active for 18 months or so.
I need some advice in this situation,
My image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/water-image2922941
and others image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-water-image10005785

What do you think?
Thanks in advanced

lisafx · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2010, 09:02 »

Quote from: fotografer on April 23, 2010, 02:04

I really don't see your point here. They are both images of water like 1000's of other similars. Nothing new or original in either and they aren't even very alike..

I completely agree^^. There is nothing original about either your image or the other one, and they don't look alike.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2010, 09:09 »

Pssst.... Lisa, read the rest of the thread (X-tera is using this other guy's images to create "new" work).

click_click · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2010, 09:11 »

Quote from: lisafx on April 23, 2010, 09:02

Quote from: fotografer on April 23, 2010, 02:04
I really don't see your point here. They are both images of water like 1000's of other similars. Nothing new or original in either and they aren't even very alike..

I completely agree^^. There is nothing original about either your image or the other one, and they don't look alike.

Lisa I think you misunderstood. X-tera used parts of the original image for their own work. It's like using your hubbie in a pic with another person (and reselling it). That's not right.

UncleGene · « **Reply #43 on:** April 23, 2010, 09:28 »

Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 05:18

In order to protect works in such a way that doesn’t preempt future works, copyright protects the expression of an idea, yet not the idea itself. If copyright extended to the underlying idea and granted exclusive rights in an idea to one author, it would ultimately discourage thousands of original works for every other person.

I think you should re-submit your request ti IS - you probably worded it similarly to one here and left space for misunderstanding. Emphasize that it is not idea, but image copy, and add 1-to-1 comparison of fragments.

More we catch such guys (and advertise catching), less (I hope) we'll see new attempts

UncleGene · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2010, 09:35 »

I have a different question. Recently I saw an example of a clear copycat (not one but multiple photos have exactly the same composition, people in the same postures, very similar props, etc.), but done with far superior quality comparing to original (sorry for not giving examples, original author may read this thread, I do not want him to be insulted)

From one side - this is clear theft (I know that author did not give any approval because he found and posted examples himself on other forum), that has to be punished

From other - we care about art and industry level, and this thief clearly helps to raise it.

What do you think?

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #45 on:** April 23, 2010, 10:14 »

Looks like Mr. X-etra's images have been removed from iStock.

gostwyck · « **Reply #46 on:** April 23, 2010, 10:32 »

Quote from: sjlocke on April 23, 2010, 10:14

Looks like Mr. X-etra's images have been removed from iStock.

Another thief bites the dust. Very silly __ so little to gain and so much to lose.

Albert Martin · « **Reply #47 on:** April 23, 2010, 12:52 »

Quote from: yupiramos on April 23, 2010, 08:37

what ¿? is an identical copy, look at the right margin.....

Quote from: fotografer on April 23, 2010, 02:04
I really don't see your point here. They are both images of water like 1000's of other similars. Nothing new or original in either and they aren't even very alike..
Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 01:51
Hi all,
I'm not very new in microstock, but only active for 18 months or so.
I need some advice in this situation,
My image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/water-image2922941
and others image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-water-image10005785

What do you think?
Thanks in advanced

In this case YES... That is obvious RIP - not copy! Or should I say clean steal!

Albert Martin · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2010, 12:57 »

Quote from: Perry on April 23, 2010, 07:00

Quote from: Albert Martin on April 23, 2010, 03:32
Quote from: ifongokea on April 23, 2010, 01:51
Hi all,
I'm not very new in microstock, but only active for 18 months or so.
I need some advice in this situation,
My image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/water-image2922941
and others image:
http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-water-image10005785

What do you think?
Thanks in advanced

Not even close to copy...
Only concept is the same!
It is just my humble 'dinosaur' opinion.

You should really look more carefully... the splashes are identical.

Ifongokea, you should contact the support.

Well... After some more consideration it turned to be very similar part... The question is if that is or isn't allowed.

epantha · « **Reply #49 on:** April 23, 2010, 13:12 »

It is against the rules to download other people's photos and use them in your work.

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Author Topic: Copycats (Read 16173 times)

ifongokea

fotografer

Albert Martin

gostwyck

Dook

gostwyck

ifongokea

gostwyck

ifongokea

Perry

gostwyck

click_click

Sean Locke Photography

yupiramos

fotografer

lisafx

Sean Locke Photography

click_click

UncleGene

UncleGene

Sean Locke Photography

gostwyck

Albert Martin

Albert Martin

epantha

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