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« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2020, 10:07 »
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Maybe Boris and others like him should think twice some things:

https://elpais.com/espana/madrid/2020-03-17/al-menos-19-muertos-en-una-residencia-de-ancianos-de-madrid-por-el-brote-de-coronavirus.html

Coronavirus kills 19 in ONE nursing home. More expected to die.

That's why the elderly have to be protected, they're the most at risk. It's why the UK have stated no unnecessary Nursing Home visits and elderly (over 70) to self isolated after the weekend. We all love our parents and grandparents and wold love to see them but that love could kill them.

I've already made sure they know how to use FaceTime on the iPad so we can see and talk to them. It's not the same as going their but, we all have a responsibility. Not see them for 2-3 months is not as bad as never seeng them again!

You can't protect them if you don't isolate the virus and stop the propagation. Elderly people don't live inside a waterproof chamber. With the schools, shops, cinemas... open they are dead.

I mean, try to realize that Spain or France are not China, we have strong and expensive health systems, both much better than the NHS I think. And they are in a overflowing risk as we see in Madrid, our main city.

I love the UK, I use to travel to London twice a year, don't misunderstand my opinions. But I can't understand what happens there.


« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2020, 10:43 »
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Maybe Boris and others like him should think twice some things:

https://elpais.com/espana/madrid/2020-03-17/al-menos-19-muertos-en-una-residencia-de-ancianos-de-madrid-por-el-brote-de-coronavirus.html

Coronavirus kills 19 in ONE nursing home. More expected to die.

That's why the elderly have to be protected, they're the most at risk. It's why the UK have stated no unnecessary Nursing Home visits and elderly (over 70) to self isolated after the weekend. We all love our parents and grandparents and wold love to see them but that love could kill them.

I've already made sure they know how to use FaceTime on the iPad so we can see and talk to them. It's not the same as going their but, we all have a responsibility. Not see them for 2-3 months is not as bad as never seeng them again!

You can't protect them if you don't isolate the virus and stop the propagation. Elderly people don't live inside a waterproof chamber. With the schools, shops, cinemas... open they are dead.

I mean, try to realize that Spain or France are not China, we have strong and expensive health systems, both much better than the NHS I think. And they are in a overflowing risk as we see in Madrid, our main city.

I love the UK, I use to travel to London twice a year, don't misunderstand my opinions. But I can't understand what happens there.

Closing schools while parents are working = staying with grandparents = increased risk. Until more parents are no longer going into work schools will remain open.

Also, some 30-40% of nurses are also parents, if they have to return home to look after children who are no longer at school then that will all impact on treating the ill / infected.

They've already said schools will have to close but it is a case of managing / balancing the risks rather than trying to avoid it, which is impossible
« Last Edit: March 17, 2020, 10:48 by HalfFull »

« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2020, 10:54 »
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And the people that work in the nursing homes they have children too. The children use to spread the diseases.

Anyway, you can see what happens in several countries before. In Spain we din't learn from the italian mistakes and either in France. Now we are at home for a long time.

« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2020, 10:58 »
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What I'm trying to say is that the UK had a real advantage over us.

I hope to drink hundreds of pints this summer.

Regards.

« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2020, 11:22 »
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And the people that work in the nursing homes they have children too. The children use to spread the diseases.

Anyway, you can see what happens in several countries before. In Spain we din't learn from the italian mistakes and either in France. Now we are at home for a long time.

I know what your saying but if the kids are not at school, then the parents are no longer at the nursing home as they have to look after the children. In other words, you are damed if you do and damed if you don't. It's a balancing act, whats more beneficial at this moment in time? Once infection rates increase they will close schools as the risk will become too great.

At this moment in time, our region has 1 confirmed case, why close all schools at this point, which would result in Care Homes and hospitals loosing staff when they need them most. Give it a week or so when cases increase then, then the schools will close as the risk becomes too great.

One of the biggest risks are the people who ignore the self-isolation and go out anyway. People who've been to high risk areas or have signs of a cold etc. We've seen plenty of stories, including people that have died because they caught the virus from people who came back from high risk zones and didn't self-isolate as instructed. The people who think they know better and ignore the rules are our biggest risk.

If we all stick to what is being asked of us and let the experts make the decisions as best they can based on the current data they have then hopefully we'll get through this with as minimal loss of life as possible. I think it would be wrong to think this can be avoided, they know it can't... it's all about slowing it down so the NHS is not overrun by a large spike of cases.

« Last Edit: March 17, 2020, 11:25 by HalfFull »

« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2020, 12:01 »
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We had that big problem. People from infected areas, Madrid, moving free around the country (like Spring holidays) and spreading the virus everywhere, like the italian tourists before them.

In my region we had a few cases until that, until the holidays from Madrid and the returned students from that area. Some deads here are linked to that.

These people should be jailed.

« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2020, 12:08 »
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We had that big problem. People from infected areas, Madrid, moving free around the country (like Spring holidays) and spreading the virus everywhere, like the italian tourists before them.

In my region we had a few cases until that, until the holidays from Madrid and the returned students from that area. Some deads here are linked to that.

These people should be jailed.

Agreed. If they knowingly do it it's a form of manslaughter in my books. It most cases, we're our own worst enemies. If people stick to the rules, which will be short term in the greater scheme of things, then we can get through this quicker! My fear is to begin with there will be a lot of people with the, "It's all nonsense!" attitude. It's these people that will do the most damage.

« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2020, 12:55 »
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In many countries they are testing just and only those who had close contact with those who were tested positive so the real numbers of infected are waaay higher. Because mild cases many will not even know they have or had it.

Slovenian minister of health says that the number of infected should be multiplied at least with 5.

Some countries also received new cheaper test to be able to test more people. In Croatia they tested those cheaper tests with blood of 3 proven positive and all test came negative so they decided to neglect and put those test out of use. Some countries will use those as well.
   

 

« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2020, 13:14 »
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The good news is that the planet, nature, is recovering. We will learn many things from this. Soon all countries will put aside the economy. Ridiculous problems will be abandoned and importance will be given to what has value. Life.

In a few days the entire world population will be in the same situation as we, are days ahead. It will not only change the values of each individual. To protect ourselves as a species we will have to help poor countries.


The world is going to change because man is going to change. The haters, trolls, disinformation, organized attacks to devastate the masses will change in hours. Only truth works in this new war. Economic interests do not work here. Nor the problems as an individual. Only humanity serves. He who does not understand me will understand me very soon.

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« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2020, 14:12 »
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this scare will last for years...especially the economic is gonna be a nightmare in this and next year probably, millions unemployed, sure we must change habits and common law about everything , probably deal with a much lower level of richness, and probably other thing s will improve, starting from politicians i hope.

« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2020, 14:21 »
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In many countries they are testing just and only those who had close contact with those who were tested positive so the real numbers of infected are waaay higher. Because mild cases many will not even know they have or had it.


This is true.

In Spain you can call a phone for coronavirus but they don't make the test to you. If you are a politican they do many times.

They just do the test to you if you know that you have some contact with infected people or if you have been in the infected areas.

Today, our Boris has announced massive tests for all the people with symptoms. I don't believe him, for me It's a criminal government.

Let's see.

« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2020, 14:51 »
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this scare will last for years...especially the economic is gonna be a nightmare in this and next year probably, millions unemployed, sure we must change habits and common law about everything , probably deal with a much lower level of richness, and probably other thing s will improve, starting from politicians i hope.

I dont think it will improve. This will just give them reasons to put more repression on common people.

Politicians proved multiple times they have cheek skin so thick thats impossible to blush from shame. Even if caught with their fingers deep inside the jam jar they are able to defend them self with most transparent lies.

« Reply #87 on: March 17, 2020, 15:57 »
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In many countries they are testing just and only those who had close contact with those who were tested positive so the real numbers of infected are waaay higher. Because mild cases many will not even know they have or had it.


This is true.

In Spain you can call a phone for coronavirus but they don't make the test to you. If you are a politican they do many times.

They just do the test to you if you know that you have some contact with infected people or if you have been in the infected areas.

Today, our Boris has announced massive tests for all the people with symptoms. I don't believe him, for me It's a criminal government.

Let's see.

Boris Johnson is a lying *insult removed* as Donald Clown, their only concern is to remain in power

« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2020, 16:57 »
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We had that big problem. People from infected areas, Madrid, moving free around the country (like Spring holidays) and spreading the virus everywhere, like the italian tourists before them.

In my region we had a few cases until that, until the holidays from Madrid and the returned students from that area. Some deads here are linked to that.

These people should be jailed.

Agreed. If they knowingly do it it's a form of manslaughter in my books. It most cases, we're our own worst enemies. If people stick to the rules, which will be short term in the greater scheme of things, then we can get through this quicker! My fear is to begin with there will be a lot of people with the, "It's all nonsense!" attitude. It's these people that will do the most damage.

There seems to be a contradiction in what you say above and your previous post #67.  Boris and his two sidekick scientist are allowing free movement and large gatherings, keeping schools, pubs, clubs and theaters open knowing the virus will be spread far and wide.  Should they be charged with manslaughter?  They have not been testing so they cannot be accused of knowing the scale of the problem, is that their defense?

« Reply #89 on: March 17, 2020, 17:20 »
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The UK government is being dragged along by events and at least a week behind the curve. Individuals and even businesses are acting more responsibly than the govt. The UK used to be good at this stuff. The home sectretary should be protecting us...shes nowhere to be seen..........

The ones protecting us are the experts providing the government the advice, who happen to be leaders in the field of viral diseases. I trust them over you or I and we certainly don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I'd rather not see every Tom, Dick or Harry every 2 minutes repeating the same message, better that we see only the PM and the 2 experts for a daily Q & A while Ministers and experts work flat out behind the scenes sorting stuff out rather than sat in front of a TV camera.

Each and every country will be faced with a different set of problems that has to be balanced. There is zero point in comparing the requirements / response of one nation to another as borders, population balance, infrastructure and resources will all differ. Meanwhile, the media is doing a great job whipping up a frenzy of panic by quoting part statements that are misleading or, don't provide the full picture just to get views on their webpages and increase advertising revenue.

As far as business goes, SS is a little quieter but AS is doing really well this month.
There is every reason to compare what works or otherwise in every country thats how we learn and progress. "Our" experts until yesterday seemed at odds with the rest of the world's including the WHO. The next step will be closing schools which again will be reactive as many schools are taking it upon themselves to close.
I've taken the advice and limit social contact to a minimum will not go to pubs and restaurants  although my local ones remain open.
Getting back to issue of Microstock I can't see any significant change one way or the other as yet  but I reckon that is likely to occur in a month or two where budgets might be slashed or looking on the bright side different content might be needed to reflect the new reality.

« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2020, 01:29 »
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China could have the first vaccine, they start human trials:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-china-human-trial-vaccine-12548902

Saving western democracies from themselves?

« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2020, 01:35 »
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We had that big problem. People from infected areas, Madrid, moving free around the country (like Spring holidays) and spreading the virus everywhere, like the italian tourists before them.

In my region we had a few cases until that, until the holidays from Madrid and the returned students from that area. Some deads here are linked to that.

These people should be jailed.

Agreed. If they knowingly do it it's a form of manslaughter in my books. It most cases, we're our own worst enemies. If people stick to the rules, which will be short term in the greater scheme of things, then we can get through this quicker! My fear is to begin with there will be a lot of people with the, "It's all nonsense!" attitude. It's these people that will do the most damage.

There seems to be a contradiction in what you say above and your previous post #67.  Boris and his two sidekick scientist are allowing free movement and large gatherings, keeping schools, pubs, clubs and theaters open knowing the virus will be spread far and wide.  Should they be charged with manslaughter?  They have not been testing so they cannot be accused of knowing the scale of the problem, is that their defense?
Well now they have advised against it while still allowing it. From what I can see theatres have pretty much closed down whlist many pubs and restaurants are carrying on and  acting  as infection control experts drove past two last night both open. I was amazed to see Pizza Hut are keeping even their buffet areas open but cleaning more often!


« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2020, 02:29 »
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this scare will last for years...especially the economic is gonna be a nightmare in this and next year probably, millions unemployed, sure we must change habits and common law about everything , probably deal with a much lower level of richness, and probably other thing s will improve, starting from politicians i hope.

I dont think it will improve. This will just give them reasons to put more repression on common people.

Politicians proved multiple times they have cheek skin so thick thats impossible to blush from shame. Even if caught with their fingers deep inside the jam jar they are able to defend them self with most transparent lies.
Agreed. There's also a big chunk of the population that just wants a "strong man" they can serve and will tell them what to do (like gift givers in older societies). Events like this, sadly, tend to bring that kind of thinking to the fore even more so. You would hope it would lead to restructuring and empowering of common people to stop the cycle, but sadly we are all pretty much apes.

fritz

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« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2020, 20:02 »
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I don't know for the rest of the world but in Europe is really scary! Everything is on halt!  Europe like never before, darkness and fear, empty streets,closed borders...

« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2020, 23:23 »
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empty streets,closed borders...

If that had happened two months ago we would be much more safe today, but as always the money and the economy is on top priority for the politics and for the strongest men, they are just too late, The UK do the maximum to delay even more all measures, so stupid...

« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2020, 01:17 »
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empty streets,closed borders...

If that had happened two months ago we would be much more safe today, but as always the money and the economy is on top priority for the politics and for the strongest men, they are just too late, The UK do the maximum to delay even more all measures, so stupid...

In Spain many people said to the criminal government "close our borders to italian, korean and chinese flights. Stop the propagation, we have a lot of tourists from these countries".This is not xenophobia or hate, It's common sense.

PM said "It's impossible one case of coronavirus in our country". Bizarre but true. Then, italian tourists began to spread the virus.

Meanwhile our chinese population (we have a lot) had a great behaviour, more than spaniards, they quarantine themselves to stop fear and propagation. Amazing. Proud of them, they had seen the situation in China and are smarter than we are. They closed shops and went home for several weeks.

After that the criminal government allowed massive gatherings on 8M, with the country under health alert and a lot of cases in Madrid. Thousands of people on Madrid streets, party time.

Today we have 14k infected and 741 deads. Our elderly people is dying for dozens in several places.

28 infected for every 100.000 people.

« Reply #96 on: March 19, 2020, 07:02 »
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Mr Boris Joke should look in his mirror and tell us what he sees. I am sure he will see an ugly bloody monster. The entire world suffers from coronavirus and people loose their life every day the hundreds or thousands. Yet he lives in his own world - something like a psychologically naive person. He is a cynical grotesque ignorant disgusting creature accompanied by a wild Herd of miserable irresponsible consultants and a swarm of "puppet politicians" who do not have a clue of what to do for their followers.
Coronavirus is not a "table game". From a humanitarian point of view it is mandatory that both the government and the citizens of the Country, must obey the INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL COMMUNITY HEALTH INSTRUCTIONS so we can all have a chance to hope for a better tomorrow.- 

ShadySue

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« Reply #97 on: March 19, 2020, 07:12 »
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My sister manages a student hall of residence.
One of her German postgraduate students (not registered in any way as having special needs) shouted down from her third floor room to the handyman to tell, not ask, him to help her with a box. This would be well outside his remit in any case, but now he's just dealing with emergencies. In any case, all requests for his legitmate help have to be submitted via the office.
So he declined and she complained to my sister, who explained that it is not in his remit to do this, he is only attending emergencies, they were adhering to social distancing, referred to all the CV guidelines ...
So the student has taken her complaint right up the chain in the University, getting a similar answer every time, and has now posted on several German and international student sites complaining about the unhelpfulness of the university, and advising students never to apply there - and the Uni is already looking at a 58 million deficit due to Coronavirus.

« Reply #98 on: March 19, 2020, 07:19 »
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I have seen that the UK is close to us now. 2500, maybe our numbers last week.

I'm very sorry.

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« Reply #99 on: March 19, 2020, 07:23 »
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italuy was the first to have lot of cases because italy like cores tested people..spain did nothing like france uk germany, because italy cares of people especially old people,. other country care of money, especially one country like spain with an economy much much weaker thant that of italy, and with family saving much much inferior....spain even blocking italy entrance have tons of workers coming from china and other infected area, so th virus would have been sprea even without italy....for example in italy there are zillions of chines people nobody seems testing positive....the big problem of spain france germany is they block everything ten days afte italy...the biggest area of spread in italy is bergamo...remeber champions league match atalanta valecia in february in milan ? 50000 people from bergamo gather inmilan that's why they have the higher number of death....in spain football run till end february, nothing stopped....in spain there will be much much worse situation than italy...even germany and france risk more deaths...i don't even consider russia and ukraine cause it's clear they are lying to population about everything like always, in those country really a million death is the norm in this case and not a big complaint if they can save economy....putin care only about its money, that's why he lies, already russia is fighting an oil battle with arab country, imagine together with coronavirus? russi alike in donetsk war said the same...no coronavirus,...but why they are building a giant hospital outside moscow? clearly for richer people, the old will be left dying for sure.


 

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