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Title: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: niserin on July 22, 2014, 03:55
Hi,

Is anybody on creativemarket.com ? How do photos sell ? Is it worth uploading ?

Thanks
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 22, 2014, 10:02
Alright, folks, this is going to be a long one, but bear with me.

My comments on Creative Market are from the perspective of a vector artist, and I think that vectors are currently the leading products at CM so my opinions may be somewhat influenced by the fact that vectors and related graphics do well there.

Letís put it this way: I like Creative Market enough that Iíve started to put some stuff on there exclusively, even though I have no direct incentive to do so (there's no exclusivity program). I just really like their setup enough that it makes me want to give them more of my work to the extent that Iíd actually hold some work back from other places.

Iíve been at CM for a year, and my perception is that they do a lot of things really well. 70% commission across the board (no exclusivity) and "set-your-own" pricing is fantastic. Theyíre a small company, 13 employees last I heard, but theyíre incredibly good at what they do. There are features and functions built in to the CM system that few (if any) other companies have pulled off as nicely. For example, they have a ďfollowersĒ system. I know, big deal, SS has that too. But the version of it that CM implemented is actually useful. Your followers get emails when you release a new product. Buyers also get notifications when an update to a product they purchased is released. For example if I decide to add more items to a set of graphics or add an additional file format, I can check a box to notify customers that an update is available and they can get it without having to re-purchase the product.

I think the tools theyíve built to allow customers and contributors to connect are really nice. There is some cool social integration, a ďlikesĒ function for each product, and a commenting system.

There is no image review process at CM. Once youíre approved to sell there, you can upload whatever you want and it is immediately available for sale. But that means that the initial review is more strict than your typical microstock application process. I expect that the rejection rate is higher than most other places. Iíve already heard from a few frustrated vector artists who sell elsewhere but were rejected at CM. And honestly, I donít have a problem with this. I know thatís easy to say when Iím already in, but Iíd feel the same way even if I was rejected. I think itís good that we have places with higher standards, and Iíd be supportive of any of these companies even if Iím not able to be a part of them myself. 

Regarding vectors specifically: For vectors and graphics templates that use text, it is expected that you include files that are fully editable. I know this can seem like a hassle, but honestly Iíve grown to embrace this part of the kind of work I do. I consider this an added incentive for people to get my stuff at CM, vs. other stock sites where I canít even upload a fully editable vector file. I also include PSDs of a few of my vector sets, which again is sort of an exclusive to CM thing. And again, added incentive for people to get my work there, where I choose the price and get 70%. Iíd love to see more and more of my sales come from CM at the expense of the places that donít pay as well.

One other note for vector folks: If youíre going to give CM a try, be prepared to spend some time building your store and product previews. Youíre really going to want to create interesting preview images (which, by the way, you can include several of, not just one) to help sell your work. Just browse the site and see how people create their thumbnails and previews, youíll see what I mean.

Where I think CM struggles a little is in perceived value. They come across as a premium marketplace, and in a lot of respects I think they uphold that value. But there will always be people who price their stuff too low and make it a little harder for others to justify higher prices. Where I think this is most apparent right now is in the photos category, unfortunately. Browsing the Photos section I see a lot of $3 - 5 images. Which, mind you, isnít terrible when youíre getting 70%. Thatís $2.10 - 3.50 royalties on those sales. But the problem of perceived value by pricing images at $3 is troublesome.

Still, at the end of the day artists decide their own prices. And even though right now the trend at CM is for low prices on photos, that doesnít mean it has to stay that way. What Iíve found is that people will pay higher prices for stuff if they really want it. My lowest-priced product is one of my worst sellers there. And my highest-priced product, one of my better sellers. My average royalty over the past year per sale is $8.10, which puts my average sale price at around $11.50. Sure there are people who undercut me on price. But my stuff still sells, so to me it looks like buyers are willing to spend more if the product is what they really want/need.

Bottom line, I think Creative Market is an interesting company with a good setup and huge potential. They do a lot with a small team and pay well, which is very much what a lot of people (myself included) have been looking for in this business for years now. Theyíre the opposite of microstock in a lot of ways, running a lean company with less bloat, a robust system, a variety of products, and royalties that are truly the opposite of what a lot of other places offer. But I also think that CM may be an acquired taste for a lot of contributors. I have no idea how photos are doing and if itís worth getting into CM for that. And even on the vector side, although I really like CM, I know itís not for everyone. Just the investment in time needed to set up a shop and putting your products together will be a complete turn-off for many people.

But what Creative Market does well, I think they do very well. And the positives far outweigh the negatives.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 22, 2014, 11:26
I'm moving my comments on what I saw when I checked out Creative Market the other day (from the thread about Envato). I was looking at photos to try and see if it looked like a potentially interesting place to sell licenses:

Creative Market looks an awful lot like Fiverr to me (where that isn't a good thing). Some examples - 256 stock photos for $9

https://creativemarket.com/cmartinez_es/22295-256-Hi-Res-Image-Pack-BONUS (https://creativemarket.com/cmartinez_es/22295-256-Hi-Res-Image-Pack-BONUS)

40 holiday images for $9

https://creativemarket.com/truemitra/28903-40-Holidays-Backgrounds (https://creativemarket.com/truemitra/28903-40-Holidays-Backgrounds)

78 indochina images for $5

https://creativemarket.com/cmartinez_es/26909-78-Hi-Res-Image-Pack-Indochine (https://creativemarket.com/cmartinez_es/26909-78-Hi-Res-Image-Pack-Indochine)

50 grunge textures for $9

https://creativemarket.com/truemitra/56115-50-Seamless-Grunge-Texture-Tile (https://creativemarket.com/truemitra/56115-50-Seamless-Grunge-Texture-Tile)

90 textures plus a handbook for $17

https://creativemarket.com/dustinlee/56134-Standard-Issue-Vector-Texture-Pack (https://creativemarket.com/dustinlee/56134-Standard-Issue-Vector-Texture-Pack)

Even if all the stuff is the creation of the sellers (and I wonder at Amber Mueller's portfolio of Zoom Team's images - which are at Dreamstime, Shutterstock, Deposit Photos; plus those holiday photos look like so many others popular on SS) it's just not all that appealing to try and sell fairly priced goods in a marketplace that's hosting this type of content. Another post in the Envato thread had pointed out that a Creative Market contributor appeared to be selling someone else's work

http://www.microstockgroup.com/graphicriver/time-to-step-it-up-envato/msg387827/#msg387827 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/graphicriver/time-to-step-it-up-envato/msg387827/#msg387827)

Their "Simple License" doesn't really appear to be appropriate for licensing photos - there's nothing preventing sensitive use, endorsements and it isn't clear that you can't make and sell prints of the photos. No print run limitations.

https://creativemarket.com/licenses/simple (https://creativemarket.com/licenses/simple)

With no image review process, I can't imagine how there won't be trouble down the road with content that shouldn't be offered for sale - if not because of unscrupulous contributors, then inexperienced ones.

They have no editorial license, yet I see an image of the Walt Disney Concert Hall in LA which you can't license commercially

https://creativemarket.com/GraphicWallace/59175-Lo-fi-Walt-Disney-Concert-Hall-Tower (https://creativemarket.com/GraphicWallace/59175-Lo-fi-Walt-Disney-Concert-Hall-Tower)

And back to the content that appears suspect, a google image search on this item

https://creativemarket.com/truemitra/23810-modern-living-room (https://creativemarket.com/truemitra/23810-modern-living-room)

has many hits in use, but it's offered for free here (credited to someone called Sunny Kapoor, India, the same name as on the Creative Market account)

http://designozy.com/stock-photo/modern-living-room-8396.html (http://designozy.com/stock-photo/modern-living-room-8396.html)

The web site the CM contributor lists has packs of vectors and images at dirt cheap prices

http://designersfolder.com/ (http://designersfolder.com/)

This pack, as an example, has lots of familiar looking items in it (but nothing I could quickly locate as being clearly someone else's work)

http://designersfolder.com/1500-photoshop-designer-kit/ (http://designersfolder.com/1500-photoshop-designer-kit/)

From the photos perspective, the site looks like bad news to me.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 22, 2014, 12:36
Jo Ann, I think some of your concerns are valid, but the comparison to Fiverr isn't accurate. Fiverr is an entirely different thing. Everything at Fiverr is cheap, and they don't care at all about copyright. Whereas Creative Market is a legit marketplace, and although I have no first-hand experience with dealing with infringements there, but from what I've seen in the CM forums, they respond to infringements fairly quickly. In one case the offending products were gone before anyone even replied.

Copyright infringement is an issue everywhere, and I've had to deal with it more at Shutterstock than anywhere else. That doesn't stop me from uploading to SS, though. And I'm not sure why it would prevent anyone from uploading to Creative Market.

Unlike most stock sites, Creative Market has actually pursued piracy of contributor content on other sites. I don't know how often they do it or how aggressively, but they try, which is more than most companies can say.

You missed a good bundle selling for really cheap:

45 vector textures for $10

https://creativemarket.com/emberstudio/57975-Vector-Texture-Pack

;)

In all seriousness, I'm not sure why you'd be so adverse to looking at Creative Market for your own work just because of what other people are doing. You can set your own prices and get 70% of each sale. I'm not sure how that qualifies as "bad news" just because a few people might be using the site for nefarious purposes. I haven't had anything of mine infringed on in the year I've been on CM, and although that doesn't mean it can't happen, it seems to happen far more often to me elsewhere.

With all of the shenanigans we deal with in this business on a regular basis from companies trying to cut our pay and screw us out of every last cent and in every way imaginable, a company offering what CM offers is refreshing news if you ask me.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 22, 2014, 13:12
... I'm not sure why you'd be so adverse to looking at Creative Market for your own work just because of what other people are doing.

My work has my name on it and if I associate it with a site that's of poor quality or has work that shouldn't be licensed commercially, I think I'm tarnished by association if I sell there.

It's not that other sites don't make mistakes and allow stolen work or have commercial items that should be editorial - that does happen everywhere - but that at least they attempt to offer a legitimate marketplace where buyers can have confidence in what they buy, with licenses that spell out the rights purchased.

I find those "hundreds of photos" packages tacky and even more devaluing than the cheap (but high volume) bundles at other stock sites. I don't want to sell side by side with that stuff.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 22, 2014, 14:13
My work has my name on it and if I associate it with a site that's of poor quality or has work that shouldn't be licensed commercially, I think I'm tarnished by association if I sell there...

I'd attribute the lax enforcement of images that shouldn't be sold commercially as more of a fault of a young company than anything else. There was a time when a lot of that same stuff was allowed at the big sites, too. And also like them, it's probably just a matter of time before Creative Market gets one of the very same letters from the legal team at some company/organization and forces them to put a stop to allowing commercial licensing of such images.

It doesn't make it right, I know. But it's also just one of those growing pains that a lot of companies, including many that you and I both work with, have had to go through and fix. It wasn't a deal-breaker for any of us then, and I don't consider it to be one today. 

...It's not that other sites don't make mistakes and allow stolen work or have commercial items that should be editorial - that does happen everywhere - but that at least they attempt to offer a legitimate marketplace where buyers can have confidence in what they buy, with licenses that spell out the rights purchased...

I think CM is offering a legitimate marketplace. I see no reason why buyers shouldn't have confidence in what they're getting. And although the license does have some flaws, it covers most of the basics that we want to see. Commercial or personal use, no resale, no products for resale where the image constitutes the core value of the product, etc. It's not a perfect license, but for 99% of the typical use cases of a stock image, it covers the buyer. Anything else can be addressed by contacting the company, and there is also talk that an EL option is in the works for additional use cases.

...I find those "hundreds of photos" packages tacky and even more devaluing than the cheap (but high volume) bundles at other stock sites. I don't want to sell side by side with that stuff.

There are far more individual photos for sale than there are bundles/packs. And the collection is currently divided such that single photos usually don't show up in the same searches as individual photos. Bundles photos are not prominent in any of the searches I tried. And currently those bundles are usually categorized as "graphics". So someone doing a photo search for "beach" for example, would find your Turks & Caicos images prominently, probably not side-by-side with cheap bundles. A search for "pink eraser" brings up zero results, BTW.

As long as you're not bundling photos yourself, your work wouldn't be seen alongside any bundles.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Pixart on July 22, 2014, 14:39
I buy a lot of their bundles, it's a bit of a bad addiction because I often buy these things and don't actually use them.  I think if a seller is included they must get a boost in rankings as I can see my fave fonts right on top.  (Selling for $20-$60 more individually than I paid for the bundles).

They do a good job of promoting - maybe too good, pretty frequent - because if you are not interested you might blacklist as spam.  I love the Envato bundles, but they only come around once in a while and perhaps have too many categories included (but isn't their purpose to give you a "taste" of what their market offers).

I've posted this before, but I am quite surprised there are not more marketplaces like these.  Evolve or die, right?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 22, 2014, 15:04
...I love the Envato bundles, but they only come around once in a while and perhaps have too many categories included (but isn't their purpose to give you a "taste" of what their market offers)...

There are different types of bundles. Some are individual contributor bundles (Joe Artist bundles a bunch of his own stuff and sells it together as a single product), site bundles (Envato, Creative Market, etc., bundle a bunch of stuff from their own sites, comprising a collection of work from multiple contributors), and 3rd party bundles (Company XYZ is in the business of organizing and distributing bundled work from multiple artists who come from different agencies, companies, solo artists, etc).

What we've been talking about here is individual contributors bundling their own work and selling that as a single product on Creative Market. The concern that Jo Ann points out is that some of these bundles might be made up of work that the person selling the bundle doesn't have the rights to sell.

And also that these bundles are too cheap. Which, personally, I don't always agree with. I sell a bundle of 45 vector textures at CM for $10 and I think that's fair. It's mostly old stuff I created years ago, but even if I sat down and created all new textures, it wouldn't take long to get 45 new ones and the time spent creating them would be less than other stuff I also sell for $10.

Like you said, Pixart, these bundles are sometimes about giving people a taste of what is available. Some contributors at CM release bundles for a limited time. Not all of these bundles are fire sale products, they're often short-lived promotions intended to generate interest, followers, and customers of other products at full-price.

...I've posted this before, but I am quite surprised there are not more marketplaces like these.  Evolve or die, right?

"Evolve or die" is a fair statement when it comes to these new marketplaces. And I don't think many of the old companies are evolving. I can't tell you how many angry/frustrated/confused emails I've gotten from SS buyers wondering why they can't easily edit text in my vectors. And I have to explain to them that SS doesn't let me sell EPS files with editable text. The evolution of vector stock for me has been to provide more useful files. And that evolution has brought me to sites like Creative Market where I offer editable EPS and AI files, and in some cases fully-editable PSDs as well. Buyers want this stuff, and I'm happy to provide it at places who will pay me a fair royalty.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Pixart on July 22, 2014, 16:40
The personal bundles kinda go with the "Surviving in the New Economy" post about common photos being a commodity.  If I was offering a bundle, I wouldn't place a lot of value on skies, or wood textures... but a bundle of something more niche - let's say a released prima ballerina in a $2000 tutu using killer technique  - I would ask a much higher price.   
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: jatrax on July 23, 2014, 00:18
I put a few images up there to test it out.  I do like the site and percentage paid.  I have had a few likes but no sales.

No IPTC as far as I can tell so you have to re-keyword.  Makes it a slow process.  I will add some more when I get time but it is not a priority, unless I start to see sales.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 23, 2014, 09:36
No IPTC as far as I can tell so you have to re-keyword.  Makes it a slow process.  I will add some more when I get time but it is not a priority, unless I start to see sales.

That kind of thing makes it a non-starter for me.  I don't have time to mess around with sites that can't add the simplest function like that.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: jatrax on July 23, 2014, 09:41
No IPTC as far as I can tell so you have to re-keyword.  Makes it a slow process.  I will add some more when I get time but it is not a priority, unless I start to see sales.
Agree.  I do not think they are set up to handle images like a stock site.  Based on what I see most contributors have far fewer items for sale than a microstock site would have.  It seems to be a digital market rather than a stock site.

That kind of thing makes it a non-starter for me.  I don't have time to mess around with sites that can't add the simplest function like that.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 23, 2014, 12:51
That kind of thing makes it a non-starter for me.  I don't have time to mess around with sites that can't add the simplest function like that.

Normally I'd say I totally agree with you. But I'm also just reading some stuff in here about how photographers don't have as many options as illustrators, so if a good option comes along, maybe for some folks the chore of pasting in keywords isn't so bad.

I guess this one will depend on where each of us is at with the companies we work with. If someone is looking for a new company to try, maybe some heavy copy-and-paste action is worth it.

Personally, I think that if the worst thing about Creative Market is their lack of IPTC, that's still a win by comparison to what we typically have to deal with around here lately.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: chromaco on July 23, 2014, 13:12
One comment. I applied and they didn't like my style. That's Ok. Actually I think that makes them a more viable option to be successful. They know their target market and are seeking artists who cater to that market. Odds are my sales would be slow there anyway because their customers aren't looking for images like mine. These are the types of new agencies that are likely to be successful. It makes marketing easier because they are reaching a specific type of customer and offering them precisely what they want to buy.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 23, 2014, 15:28
One comment. I applied and they didn't like my style. That's Ok. Actually I think that makes them a more viable option to be successful. They know their target market and are seeking artists who cater to that market. Odds are my sales would be slow there anyway because their customers aren't looking for images like mine. These are the types of new agencies that are likely to be successful. It makes marketing easier because they are reaching a specific type of customer and offering them precisely what they want to buy.

I agree. In that regard I sort of liken them to Stocksy. I've always figured that if Stocksy ever took illustrations, I probably wouldn't get in. But I wouldn't hold it against them, and in fact I think it's a good thing that they have a more clear idea of what they want and how to go about shaping their collection around that idea.

We need more companies like these.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: goober on July 23, 2014, 20:08
70% sounds good to me. Setting your own prices was number one on my wish list at iS.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on July 23, 2014, 21:08
I'm moving my comments on what I saw when I checked out Creative Market the other day (from the thread about Envato). I was looking at photos to try and see if it looked like a potentially interesting place to sell licenses:.....

From the photos perspective, the site looks like bad news to me.

JO ANN SNOVER, still the only or one of the few survivors here on MSQ whose opinion i have always taken seriously.
Tyler, you should award Jo Ann the "Honourable MSG VIP".
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Elenathewise on July 23, 2014, 21:14
I applied to sell photos and got rejected, although I was invited as a founding contributor to Envato and quite a few other new good places with similar setup.  So... not sure what kind of content Creative Market is really after - I know I have a lot of stuff that graphic designers need and buy. The "review" was very fast, too - I got "no thanks" email the very next day. Makes me wonder if anyone really looked at my portfolio. This reminds me of other new site that rejected my content saying they don't need "generic business images like handshakes and business meetings" - hmm... the problem is I don't do business and handshakes!:) (Ok I may have maybe 50 images like that in my 14,000 images portfolio).
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: DesignWolf on July 24, 2014, 18:02
I'm with 'EmberMike' all the way. I think it's a good site. They contacted me a while back about joining them and I'm glad I did. I've been selling steady on there each month, not massive but not bad.

I'm a vector illustrator, mainly doing cartoon characters.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: rimglow on July 24, 2014, 18:31
I have a problem with the very large previews, and the weakest watermarks I've ever seen.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: DesignWolf on July 25, 2014, 02:34
I have a problem with the very large previews, and the weakest watermarks I've ever seen.

You have a good point, maybe I/you could add your own watermarks. I think I'll give that a try and see what happens.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 25, 2014, 09:56

I think if anyone has any specific technical concerns that would prevent them from trying Creative Market, it might be worth contacting them and asking if they can add things like IPTC, better watermarking, etc. One thing I can say for sure that makes CM a bit different than other companies is that they are very technically proficient. If you want something changed/added, they might be wiling to do it if someone asks. They are very easy to contact, and you can send direct messages to specific staff members though the site.

Personally I wouldn't let any of the things mentioned here be deal-breakers on a site that pays very fair rates and lets you set your own prices.

Honestly I'm really surprised that the general tone here has been mostly negative regarding CM. On pricing and pay alone this is the best deal I've got going right now. Is the site perfect? Of course not. But it's far better than most of what is out there. And best of all, they've got customers, the missing piece that most young companies fail to deliver. Within the first year of business, CM paid out over $1,000,000 to contributors (https://creativemarket.com/2013). Sure that pales in comparison to companies like SS, but it's really impressive for a startup.

I don't expect everyone to be all-in like I probably seem to be. CM fits my type of work well and I'm not bothered by any of the concerns mentioned so far. But even if I were bothered by any of these things, they wouldn't stop me from still being excited about the prospect of a company that maybe could be doing a few small things a little better but nevertheless has huge potential.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: dirkr on July 25, 2014, 13:59
I hadn't heard from them before this thread, but I do agree, the basics (pricing, commissions) do sound appealing.
So I thought I give them a try. They accepted me, I started to upload a few images.
Yes, missing IPTC is a PITA, but to try out with a few images that is ok.
I wonder if they are strong on photo sales as well, it would be a nice alternative to the existing agencies.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: sweetgirll on July 25, 2014, 16:14
Just a few months ago they were acquired by Autodesk. Here is the article: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-buys-creative-market-jumping-into-maker-marketplace/ (http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-buys-creative-market-jumping-into-maker-marketplace/)





Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 25, 2014, 17:42
I didn't know about Autodesk buying them - other than articles on a few other sites from March, I didn't see anything else about what the acquisition will mean.

However, with a larger parent company, I have to believe they'll start to be concerned about the photos that show brand names and protected designs that can't be licensed commercially. They could offer an editorial license to make this work, but it seems the photo section has no one ensuring that the work is safe for a buyer to license. I'm guessing that as they began as "mousemade deisgns" they just don't know enough about licensing photos.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on July 25, 2014, 19:09
...
 be concerned about the photos that show brand names and protected designs that can't be licensed commercially. They could offer an editorial license to make this work, but it seems the photo section has no one ensuring that the work is safe for a buyer to license....they just don't know enough about licensing photos.
wow, Embermike pro; Jo Ann against.
so touching on the IP infringement, who gets sued if the clients published their contributors images
with brand names,etc as a commercial?  is there a waiver of responsibility by CM that it is the contributors who will face the charges???
we know about IP and MR, but many newbies are clueless to this. i know , because i met
even many of these ppl on other social media who said, "why IPR, MR??? huh??"
we can't blame them, as i am sure many of us in our initial days did the same thing.

but the agency should know better, right? and as Jo Ann points out, it is a big flag of "incompetence"... esp if you are the one dealing with licenses. just wondering.

otoh, as EMike says, it sounds good. but not if one day someone comes after you with a writ.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: michaeldb on July 25, 2014, 19:21
Just a few months ago they were acquired by Autodesk. Here is the article: [url]http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-buys-creative-market-jumping-into-maker-marketplace/[/url] ([url]http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-buys-creative-market-jumping-into-maker-marketplace/[/url])

If true (and Techcrunch is pretty reliable) then this is interesting news indeed. Something akin maybe to news that Adobe bought Dreamstime.

"Part of the interest in Autodesk came from the fact that the bigger company was looking to develop more consumer-focused offerings for the maker movement."

By 'maker' I take it that they mean something like 'indie creatives' i.e. us.

A lot of people here may not know much about Autodesk if they don't use Maya or 3DS Max, but Autodesk is a big power in graphics: AutoCAD is like the serious big-brother of Adobe Illustrator, and for people who (as I do) use Max, Autodesk is seen as a more serious player in graphics than Adobe in some ways. Autodesk software is used in lots of feature films, and it is more serious and less buggy than what Adobe puts out.

If Autodesk owns Creative Market that puts a whole different slant on submitting there and raises a lot of questions:  Will CM one day start selling 3D models, or maybe HDR and EXR photos, or other file formats which no microstockers sell now?

This could turn out to mean new markets for us.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 25, 2014, 21:24
...but the agency should know better, right? and as Jo Ann points out, it is a big flag of "incompetence"... esp if you are the one dealing with licenses. just wondering.

otoh, as EMike says, it sounds good. but not if one day someone comes after you with a writ.

I think "incompetence" is a bit harsh. Every agency has had companies come down on them demanding that they stop licensing images that contain something they have trademarked or otherwise protected. Most of the time the agencies weren't aware that they were violating anyone's rights/trademarks/copyrights/etc until they were told so. I'm not saying that Creative Market should be given a free pass to sell whatever they want just because they haven't been told what they can't sell yet. But I also think it's unfair to call them incompetent for simply making the same mistake everyone else made.

If you're in the know about what you can and can't sell, you don't have to worry about anyone coming after you. And again I go back to a comment I made earlier about how I don't think it should matter so much what other people are doing on CM, and that influencing someone else's decision to sign up or not. So there are some images in the collection that shouldn't be licensed RF. So what. Did anyone here refuse to sell on Shutterstock back when there were images of trademarked car designs or protected landmarks?

I don't get why Creative Market is being held to some higher standard than any place else, not just on the issue of unsuitable RF images but on other points as well, to the extent that people don't want to work with them just because of what a small number of other people are selling on the site.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 25, 2014, 22:40
People ignored micro stock for a long time because it was small and new - there wasn't a lot of money at stake. Lawyers come calling more when the money is there

There is no "we're new" free pass now as crowd sourced content - the maker movement - is over a decade old. New entrants learn from the mistakes of the pioneers

I'm not so much opposing Mike as putting another viewpoint. He's not a photographer and I'm not an illustrator. We both have something to add to the discussion

If you were to build a Pinto now, you couldn't defend yourself against the lawsuits over gas tanks exploding by saying you didn't know. You need to get up to speed with the state of the business now, not start from zero each time

I care about the business as a whole, not just what I do, because if I invest time and energy to get my work there, that can be for naught if the business is shuttered over legal issues. Not to mention that I think things like this will deter business customers. They'll worry about the legal safety of licensing there
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on July 25, 2014, 22:48
Mike , perharps u r right, "incompetence" a bit harsh, for lack of a better word  ;)
Jo Ann is right, a lot of hard work can go down the drain if one law suit comes along , when it looks like there is $$$$ to squeeze from CM, and the photographer.
as an illustrator, perharps, u r not so affected.
but still, if CM is so up to your approval, it would be to both their interest and yours,
to let them know, the need to stay abreast with licencing. or else, your time to build a portfolio
with CM could all be for naught, by one legal oversight. as they say, the law is ammoral and
negligence is not an excuse.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 25, 2014, 23:40
Just a few months ago they were acquired by Autodesk. Here is the article: [url]http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-buys-creative-market-jumping-into-maker-marketplace/[/url] ([url]http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-buys-creative-market-jumping-into-maker-marketplace/[/url])

If true (and Techcrunch is pretty reliable) then this is interesting news indeed. Something akin maybe to news that Adobe bought Dreamstime.


It was carried in a number of publications:

http://www.zdnet.com/autodesk-adds-indie-design-startup-creative-market-to-toolset-7000027486/ (http://www.zdnet.com/autodesk-adds-indie-design-startup-creative-market-to-toolset-7000027486/)
http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-snaps-up-stock-design-marketplace-creative-market-site-will-live-on/ (http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/19/autodesk-snaps-up-stock-design-marketplace-creative-market-site-will-live-on/)
http://www.poststat.us/creative-market-acquired-autodesk/ (http://www.poststat.us/creative-market-acquired-autodesk/)

The licensing discussion in the Post Status blog is also interesting. I wasn't aware of the Gnu Public Licensing issue for WordPress theme sellers but Creative Market switched to that for WordPress themes to get some of the sellers they lost to come back. I think if they have understood that one of their product types needs a different license from their Simple License, it's not a very big step to understand that they need something different for photos as well.

If Photos end up to Creative Market what PhotoDune is to Envato - second fiddle to their main business - I don't think I'd even see if CM would have me. I stick with PhotoDune because I'm there and it does earn, albeit at a low and not growing level. Their bread and butter is the other marketplaces.

I also read an older article by the guy who founded Creative Marketplace - advice to people doing what he does

http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/28/the-art-of-raising-seed-youre-either-hot-or-you-make-your-own-heat/ (http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/28/the-art-of-raising-seed-youre-either-hot-or-you-make-your-own-heat/)

For anyone who hadn't a clue what YC was (I didn't):

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/magazine/y-combinator-silicon-valleys-start-up-machine.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/magazine/y-combinator-silicon-valleys-start-up-machine.html)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 26, 2014, 09:34
Personally, I think that if the worst thing about Creative Market is their lack of IPTC, that's still a win by comparison to what we typically have to deal with around here lately.

Well, I got accepted ( :) ), so I'll take a longer look at it next week.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 26, 2014, 12:48
I wrote a post on the Creative Market forum about the legalities of stock photo use and licensing. We'll see what they say.

I don't mean to downplay any licensing issues and legal protections (or lack thereof). If Creative Market is doing something wrong, it should be fixed.

That said, I still do think that they're being judged too harshly for something that many companies, including Shutterstock, still do. In doing some brief research for that forum post I put at CM, I found photos of trademarked buildings like the Pike Place Market also on Shutterstock. Lots of them, actually, and not listed as Editorial, even though the Pike Place Market sign and clock are trademarked. I shouldn't be able to get a commercially-licensed photo of the Eiffel Tower lit up at night (lighting design is protected), but I can grab a bunch of images like that at SS right now. I thought anything shot at Princeton University was trademarked, and SS has a campus photo up for commercial use. And a few of Dartmouth (also supposedly trademarked).

You guys have a problem with it, that's fine. It's a completely valid complaint. But I expect that you'll be directing your concerns to Shutterstock and the other companies you upload to as well if it is so reprehensible to see a company selling photos of trademarked buildings and designs.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: cascoly on July 26, 2014, 12:52
...."Part of the interest in Autodesk came from the fact that the bigger company was looking to develop more consumer-focused offerings for the maker movement."

By 'maker' I take it that they mean something like 'indie creatives' i.e. us.
....

the 'maker' movement is more specifically the DIY(do it yourself) movement in robotics and 3d printing;  recently it's expanded to include biotech.   Wired has  had many articles covering this over the past few years
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on July 26, 2014, 12:58
I wrote a post on the Creative Market forum about the legalities of stock photo use and licensing. We'll see what they say.

I don't mean to downplay any licensing issues and legal protections (or lack thereof). If Creative Market is doing something wrong, it should be fixed.

That said, I still do think that they're being judged too harshly for something that many companies, including Shutterstock, still do. In doing some brief research for that forum post I put at CM, I found photos of trademarked buildings like the Pike Place Market also on Shutterstock. Lots of them, actually, and not listed as Editorial, even though the Pike Place Market sign and clock are trademarked. I shouldn't be able to get a commercially-licensed photo of the Eiffel Tower lit up at night (lighting design is protected), but I can grab a bunch of images like that at SS right now. I thought anything shot at Princeton University was trademarked, and SS has a campus photo up for commercial use. And a few of Dartmouth (also supposedly trademarked).

You guys have a problem with it, that's fine. It's a completely valid complaint. But I expect that you'll be directing your concerns to Shutterstock and the other companies you upload to as well if it is so reprehensible to see a company selling photos of trademarked buildings and designs.

Mike, point taken!
u r right.
we should not be fighting against each other. instead, we should be looking for new sources or alternatives to Getty, SS,etc.. agencies that make money for us.
as eventually, as IS history teaches us, they will take profit, sell the agency and leave you with the baby and the bath water to hang to dry  >:(

problem is, with always  the new flavours of the month/year/...
they don't live up to the hype.
the other thread says, we need to compete with Stocksy. but really, there is no need to compete
with something that new, without any history.
if you need to compete, or more appropriately, find a viable alternative ...
it is to Getty and Shutterstock.
because these are the ones that have been making money for all of us.

and when the parachute turns concrete, we need another agency to jump to.
as i said, it used to be IS and SS. today, there is no one to come even close to SS.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Shelma1 on July 26, 2014, 13:39
I tried to apply, but they tell me my invitation's pending even though I didn't fill in any information or supply any links. And the site won't let me reapply.

Kinda annoyed by that.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 28, 2014, 10:54
Their terms for listing content say:
"you expressly grant ... to Creative Market a ... perpetual, irrevocable ... license "

However, I don't see anything in the terms about product removal.  Has anyone contacted them for clarification on how to remove, and what happens when you do remove, content?

eta:  Just tried uploading a file there.  I have to say, there is no way I can work with the upload system as is.  Having to copy and paste the title, description into every image, one by one, as well as having to change all my keyword lists from a semi-colon to a comma, the limited length of title, the keyword (tag) limit of 20, the almost invisible watermark...  There's just no way.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on July 28, 2014, 11:35
...there is no way I can work with the upload system as is.  Having to copy and paste the title, description into every image, one by one, as well as having to change all my keyword lists from a semi-colon to a comma, the limited length of title, the keyword (tag) limit of 20, the almost invisible watermark...  There's just no way.

I would contact them about IPTC integration. These guys add new things to the site all the time. They might be receptive to adding IPTC importing functionality.

In the meantime, maybe just add an extra buck to your prices to cover the time spent copying/pasting. If you're uploading stuff that's also on Shutterstock, you can copy keywords from there, their system converts semi-colon-separated keywords to comma-separated.

It's not idea, for sure, but it might be worthwhile to spend an hour with it, upload whatever you think might sell, and see how it goes for a month or two. Hopefully in the meantime they get IPTC importing going. If enough people ask for it, they might add it.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: cthoman on July 28, 2014, 11:43
...there is no way I can work with the upload system as is.  Having to copy and paste the title, description into every image, one by one, as well as having to change all my keyword lists from a semi-colon to a comma, the limited length of title, the keyword (tag) limit of 20, the almost invisible watermark...  There's just no way.

I would contact them about IPTC integration. These guys add new things to the site all the time. They might be receptive to adding IPTC importing functionality.

In the meantime, maybe just add an extra buck to your prices to cover the time spent copying/pasting. If you're uploading stuff that's also on Shutterstock, you can copy keywords from there, their system converts semi-colon-separated keywords to comma-separated.

It's not idea, for sure, but it might be worthwhile to spend an hour with it, upload whatever you think might sell, and see how it goes for a month or two. Hopefully in the meantime they get IPTC importing going. If enough people ask for it, they might add it.

Not a bad idea. I might have to send them an email too. That was the big thing holding me back from submitting more was the time it took to submit an image.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: wordplanet on July 28, 2014, 12:19
Just applied will see how it goes. I design a lot of abstract backgrounds so I think it would be a good fit for those.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: goober on July 29, 2014, 03:40
I got the big reject. Swoooooosh!!!!

Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 01, 2014, 18:42
So after looking around and thinking about this site some more (and noting that the pirated images mentioned in an earlier post had been removed) I decided to give this a try. I only have one item in my store so far!

https://creativemarket.com/JoAnnSnover/63089-Old-fashioned-photo-album

I think I'll upload some layered PSDs of images that were either for personal use or are variants of what I sell for stock (I don't upload anything straight from the camera, so everything is a layered PSD file, but some are not all that interesting to upload that way). As I can't upload PSDs anywhere, this might be a nice add on if buyers are interested.

The uploading process is very much geared around unique items, not mass upload, so I can't imagine having the patience to just stick my stock images up there as is, but (a) they may improve it and (b) it gives me an option to upload something different from any other site.

I'll report back on how things progress (but there'll be a hiatus for a bit as August = vacation :) )
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on August 02, 2014, 10:11
...I decided to give this a try...

Looks good, Jo Ann. Best of luck with it!
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: wordplanet on August 02, 2014, 12:07
Just applied and got accepted so I'll give it a try and report back. Crazy busy right now and away a lot this month so it may be September before I get much up there.

I was going to concentrate on backgrounds first and see if I can locate the original PSD files for some of them as well.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on August 02, 2014, 12:07
...I decided to give this a try...

Looks good, Jo Ann. Best of luck with it!

Mike, i was waiting for Jo Ann. so, what do you do now? are we supposed to ask for an invitation by clicking the INVITE button on their home site?
do i click Jo Ann's site so she gets the referral?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on August 02, 2014, 14:44
Mike, i was waiting for Jo Ann. so, what do you do now? are we supposed to ask for an invitation by clicking the INVITE button on their home site?
do i click Jo Ann's site so she gets the referral?

As far as I know, there is no referral program for contributors. Just for referring buyers. So you can just request an invite directly through the site.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Noedelhap on August 03, 2014, 11:48
Seems interesting. I've requested an invite.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 07, 2014, 13:16
And I made my first sale there today!  I won't post about them all (let's hope there are lots!) but just thought I'd indicate that the small store (only 8 items in it) had seen a sale (no one I know and I'm pretty hopeless at the promotion stuff :))
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on August 07, 2014, 13:20
And I made my first sale there today!  I won't post about them all (let's hope there are lots!) but just thought I'd indicate that the small store (only 8 items in it) had seen a sale (no one I know and I'm pretty hopeless at the promotion stuff :))

not surprising to me.  but it 's good news for both the agency and urself. it also give others here an impetus to give this agency a shot (no pun intended) .
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Noedelhap on August 08, 2014, 02:13
"Thanks a lot for letting us know what a great shop owner youíd make. Unfortunately, weíre not ready to open your shop just yet, but keep crafting your great content and we'll let you know when we open the doors a little wider and weíre able to hold some shop space for you."

Is this what you'd call a rejection or it is a 'not yet, maybe soon' type of thing?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: leaf on August 08, 2014, 05:22
And I made my first sale there today!  I won't post about them all (let's hope there are lots!) but just thought I'd indicate that the small store (only 8 items in it) had seen a sale (no one I know and I'm pretty hopeless at the promotion stuff :))

congrats Jo Ann, nice to hear it is selling
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Hobostocker on August 08, 2014, 06:27
i've nothing against these bundles unless they contain stolen images.

after all lots of people post the same cr-ap for free on Flickr and similar sites.

i don't think it's a menace to stock in any way, serious buyers will stay away from such sites.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on August 12, 2014, 12:33
Well, due to the fact that there is no exif import, I decided to give image packs a whirl to see what happens.  You can see my start here:
https://creativemarket.com/seanlockephotography

Basically, I priced them between GL's medium and large times the number of images, with a slight discount for bulk.  I'll let you know if anything sells.  I hope the cover images showcase well.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on August 12, 2014, 13:38
i've nothing against these bundles unless they contain stolen images.

after all lots of people post the same cr-ap for free on Flickr and similar sites.

i don't think it's a menace to stock in any way, serious buyers will stay away from such sites.

but why would it prevent u from uploading there?
if they all look bad, would it not be making ur portfolio look better?
if there is a new site  opening up other possibilities
to a market already as pointed out by many here, saturation point  ms.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: onepointfour on August 12, 2014, 22:27
Well, due to the fact that there is no exif import, I decided to give image packs a whirl to see what happens.  You can see my start here:
https://creativemarket.com/seanlockephotography

Basically, I priced them between GL's medium and large times the number of images, with a slight discount for bulk.  I'll let you know if anything sells.  I hope the cover images showcase well.

Look really good Sean. I might jump into this too with my old shots. :)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Hobostocker on August 12, 2014, 23:19
if there is a new site  opening up other possibilities
to a market already as pointed out by many here, saturation point  ms.

the stock industry seem pretty stable, if people start buying from new small sites it just means they will buy less from elsewhere, it's more or less like a sum zero game at the moment.

we have to wait and see.
i don't think new small sites have any chance to emerge right now unless they're backed by millions of $ to be spent in advertising, see the many 500px and similar sites that are still struggling to make steady sales.

we should not forget the real goal of these startups is NOT to make real profits but to gather a large enough customer base in order to be sold to the next VC and shareholder.

Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: pancaketom on August 13, 2014, 01:22
if there is a new site  opening up other possibilities
to a market already as pointed out by many here, saturation point  ms.

the stock industry seem pretty stable, if people start buying from new small sites it just means they will buy less from elsewhere, it's more or less like a sum zero game at the moment.

we have to wait and see.
i don't think new small sites have any chance to emerge right now unless they're backed by millions of $ to be spent in advertising, see the many 500px and similar sites that are still struggling to make steady sales.

we should not forget the real goal of these startups is NOT to make real profits but to gather a large enough customer base in order to be sold to the next VC and shareholder.

It might be a zero sum game as far as buyers go, but if I can move a sale from a site where I get 3-35% to a site where I get 50-70% I consider that a big plus, especially if I get to set the prices too.

I think some sites want to make a real go and some want to be bought out - unfortunately we can't really tell ahead of time.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Hobostocker on August 13, 2014, 05:40
It might be a zero sum game as far as buyers go, but if I can move a sale from a site where I get 3-35% to a site where I get 50-70% I consider that a big plus, especially if I get to set the prices too.

I think some sites want to make a real go and some want to be bought out - unfortunately we can't really tell ahead of time.

the moral of the story hasn't changed much .... no matter the market fluctuations and the oversupply, you can only survive in this biz if you've a big portfolio, anything else has been discussed to death and for sure there are some ways to maximize a bit the sales here and there but they're no big deal, a big portfolio is still king and the only proven way to stay afloat.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on August 13, 2014, 10:43
...i don't think new small sites have any chance to emerge right now unless they're backed by millions of $ to be spent in advertising, see the many 500px and similar sites that are still struggling to make steady sales.

we should not forget the real goal of these startups is NOT to make real profits but to gather a large enough customer base in order to be sold to the next VC and shareholder.

Creative Market was my #3 earner last month, well ahead of DT and FT. They're still new and small in some regards, but they're showing some big potential in earnings. Granted that's in vectors at the moment, but hopefully photo sales will pick up as well.

I don't get the feeling that CM is waiting for the next VC, shareholder, buyer, etc. They were already acquired by Autodesk, and nothing really has changed for us, other than that they have some additional resources behind them. Definitely doesn't seem like a startup built with the end goal of just dumping it.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on August 13, 2014, 13:32

Don't know if CM still does this, but when I started with them last year they sent me my first dollar earned in the mail with a note from the the founder.

(http://www.emberstudio.com/random/cm-dollar.jpg)

Might seem like a small gesture to some, but I like companies that take a minute to connect with contributors.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on August 13, 2014, 13:39

Don't know if CM still does this, but when I started with them last year they sent me my first dollar earned in the mail with a note from the the founder.

([url]http://www.emberstudio.com/random/cm-dollar.jpg[/url])

Might seem like a small gesture to some, but I like companies that take a minute to connect with contributors.


EmberMike, was that taken out of ur earning? or it was a bonus? :D
seriously, it is indeed a good gesture, especially these days when all u gets is double-talk
from officials. bravo, n let's hope they remain that way
even after they get to the top bracket  ;)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Hobostocker on August 13, 2014, 14:04
wow, surprising, you must have been one of their early birds ?

on the other side it means their startup is still so small their CEO has lots of time in his hands for such things and really cares about their first suppliers.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on August 14, 2014, 13:51
wow, surprising, you must have been one of their early birds?...

As far as I can find in searching, as of at least May they were still doing this. So I don't think it's an early-bird thing.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: etudiante_rapide on August 14, 2014, 13:56
wow, surprising, you must have been one of their early birds ?

on the other side it means their startup is still so small their CEO has lots of time in his hands for such things and really cares about their first suppliers.

yes, n a good moral to this story is support them to bring them to #1 but..
keep them hungry, so they won't start to be like the "other biggies" who r now [email protected]
those who made them #1  #2 ;)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on September 12, 2014, 05:51
It's kind of sad how CM just throws the contributors out into the wild when it comes to rules about protecting yourself from copyright/trademark worries in the stock image market.

https://creativemarket.com/discussions/889-PHOTOS-Trademarks-Intellectual-Property-Copyrights-Problem

No sales of my photo packs yet.  Disappointing.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: SLStudios on September 12, 2014, 12:57
I have a very small port. or food images over there and have sold one image in about 3 weeks. They are small so who knows what will happen but the percentages are decent so even if you set the price at what SS or IS would sell your image at, you make more when they sell. (If I guess I should say) Time will tell if they are going to be anything.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on October 13, 2014, 05:25
FYI, I've disabled all my people images from CM, as I've decided the "Simple License" is too simple for content involving models.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on November 22, 2014, 05:08
Honestly, I don't know how they get away with selling this stuff under the "simple license" as RF.
https://creativemarket.com/arcangelofiore/79054-iPhone-6-PSD-%E2%80%A2-Mockup-all-in-one
https://creativemarket.com/Medialoot/90077-iPhone-6-In-Hand-PSD-Mockup
https://creativemarket.com/show.it.better/55848-7-iMac-photo-mockups
https://creativemarket.com/caiocall/107734-Mockup-Iphone-6-Real-Mockup-4

This whole "mockup" section is really weird.  There's some really neat collections of cut out objects to do things with, but then there's just pictures of "anything" you can put your "design" on to.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: File Sold on November 22, 2014, 08:07
Sean, I don't know if understood you correctly, but I think selling those "iphone" etc mockups is a win-win situation for everyone. I don't think Apple gives much about if people make mockups of their devices. Free marketing.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on November 22, 2014, 09:28
Sean, I don't know if understood you correctly, but I think selling those "iphone" etc mockups is a win-win situation for everyone. I don't think Apple gives much about if people make mockups of their devices. Free marketing.

The problem is, there's no requirement they only be used as "mockups".  Everything on CM comes with the same RF commercial license.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Buffalo Bill on November 22, 2014, 11:46
Too  loose for me! Heck even the dpc program on ft is better ran! Which we all know how we feel about that one. Better to pass on them and join canva!
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: File Sold on November 23, 2014, 07:51
Sean, I don't know if understood you correctly, but I think selling those "iphone" etc mockups is a win-win situation for everyone. I don't think Apple gives much about if people make mockups of their devices. Free marketing.

The problem is, there's no requirement they only be used as "mockups".  Everything on CM comes with the same RF commercial license.

Yes, that's true. Maybe there should be a "mockup up" license.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on March 12, 2015, 13:23
I opened a shop at Creative Market recently. I like the concept, but of course I also see a lot of problems and potential future problems. What's gonna happen when they have 50000 contributors? Competition will push everything down to 2 dollars and you have to sell bundles with 5000 images to stand out...

I've also noticed that a handful of contributors seem to dominate the search results, even though there are 7000 contributors. I understand that CM want to promote the best sellers but it seems a bit extreme at the moment.

And why isn't the site using responsive design? Most designers are using high res monitors that could fit six columns of images instead of three. Annoying. And is it really a good idea to allow text on the preview images when the image description is right below the picture? It's pretty much the same text twice.

I also have a question for people who have been selling at CM for a while. What's you download/view ratio?

And lastly, shouldn't Creative Market have their own part of this forum?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on March 12, 2015, 13:54
I also have a question for people who have been selling at CM for a while. What's you download/view ratio?

Just glancing over my sales, at a very rough estimate I'd say it's around a 1 sale per 100 views on average.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 12, 2015, 14:13
I've bought a few images from there, so I get their emails all the time now. Kind of sad to see them giving away tons of free stuff every week, and huge image packs offered for next to nothing. People offering 500 icons for five bucks when each could be sold separately at SS, for example. I'm afraid from a buyer POV it is a race to the bottom.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on March 12, 2015, 14:53
I've bought a few images from there, so I get their emails all the time now. Kind of sad to see them giving away tons of free stuff every week, and huge image packs offered for next to nothing. People offering 500 icons for five bucks when each could be sold separately at SS, for example. I'm afraid from a buyer POV it is a race to the bottom.

Bundles are voluntary, no one is forced into them. And to be fair, people have "value packed" icons at SS and elsewhere for years, long before Creative Market came along. I think it's far worse to do so at SS where you get $0.38 for a big pack of icons. At least at CM the seller is getting a few bucks.

But really those kinds of products, penny icons, they're not common and they're definitely not what buyers at CM seem to gravitate towards. Sure there is stuff like that, but to be fair it's rarely $5. Looking at the most popular icon products, there is nothing under $13 on page 1 and most stuff is priced $15-$30. In the Illustration category it's more like $20-$30. And although bundled products are definitely popular, more realistically it's stuff like 40 items for $20 or something like that.

For the stuff I sell, I set prices typically from $7-12, and my best-seller is at the high end selling 117 times for $12. In fact most of my best-sellers are priced $9-$12.

So if it's a race to the bottom that buyers are looking for, I'm not seeing any evidence that they're spending in that direction. My lowest-priced products seem to sell the worst at CM, and I'm seeing good sales on my higher-priced items. All of this despite having my work sometimes show up along side someone's value-pack bundle of 1,000 icons. I don't see those bundles hurting my sales, nor do I think they hurt the buyers' perceived value of the work I sell.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Deyan Georgiev Photography on March 12, 2015, 15:21
About Creative Market i can say only good words by my short experience of a couple of months. Everybody can place his own prices, so this is the real market where if you have no sales you should lower the prices and if still not the conclusion is that your production is not competitive. I have regular sales and i like it ;)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on March 12, 2015, 15:33
I also have a question for people who have been selling at CM for a while. What's you download/view ratio?

Just glancing over my sales, at a very rough estimate I'd say it's around a 1 sale per 100 views on average.

Ok! Good to know when it could be a good idea to adjust the price. Even if there are of course many other factors involved.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on March 13, 2015, 06:45
What about refunds? I've been snooping around a bit and I notice that there are quite a few complaints in the comment fields from customers who say that they can't edit the file, the file wasn't what they expected, they don't know how to edit it, etc etc. Do you get a lot of refunds?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on March 13, 2015, 07:07
...Do you get a lot of refunds?

I've had zero complaints or requests for refunds.

Buyers at CM will definitely be expecting highly useful files, and if you don't provide that they might get upset and want a refund. But as long as you give them enough to be able to easily use what they're buying, it's not an issue. For vector stuff, especially files with text, you need to provide a file that leaves the text "editable", and also provide a list of fonts used and preferably where to get them. For some files I'll include a fully-editable PSD, if I can make one easily enough (in some cases it's just way too time-consuming to produce a good PSD from a vector). I also sometimes include PNGs, where appropriate.

As long as you're giving the buyer enough so that they can do pretty much anything they need to do with your files, I can't imagine you'd see many (or any) refunds.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 13, 2015, 13:45
I haven't been selling there long, and only have a few files, but I've not had any refunds either.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Deyan Georgiev Photography on March 13, 2015, 14:40
I have everyday sales there and no one refund.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: File Sold on March 14, 2015, 15:27
I've got few people that don't know how to edit vector files. I've clearly written that buyer needs to know how to use Illustrator but still these people sometimes show up. I've said them to ask refund if they, but haven't hearr them since.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on March 14, 2015, 19:08
I've got few people that don't know how to edit vector files. I've clearly written that buyer needs to know how to use Illustrator but still these people sometimes show up. I've said them to ask refund if they, but haven't hearr them since.

It happens sometimes no matter what you do. I have yet to have this problem at CM, but it did happen a few times at GraphicRiver (before I parted ways with Envato).

I don't know for sure that this helps or not, but I've been putting an Ai icon on my preview images when the image is only editable in vector editing software like Illustrator. I also put the note in the description that "no PSDs are included or available".

And likewise in products where I do include a PSD, I include a Ps icon in the preview images to indicate that.

For example:

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.creativemarket.com/images/screenshots/products/35/359/359221/vintage-graphics-03-f.jpg)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Lizard on May 06, 2015, 20:35

Just sold a 4$ image on CM and I was tax withheld on 1,2$ so Im not really sure whats going on.

My country doesn't have tax treaty with US so 30% on US sale would be normal but 1,2$ is 30% of the whole 4$ sale not on 2,8 that I get.

So or they are withholding 30% on full 4$ price or they are withholding 42%+ of my 2,8$ share.


Im really interested to hear any  thoughts ?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Deyan Georgiev Photography on May 07, 2015, 00:11

Just sold a 4$ image on CM and I was tax withheld on 1,2$ so Im not really sure whats going on.

My country doesn't have tax treaty with US so 30% on US sale would be normal but 1,2$ is 30% of the whole 4$ sale not on 2,8 that I get.

So or they are withholding 30% on full 4$ price or they are withholding 42%+ of my 2,8$ share.


Im really interested to hear any  thoughts ?

The logic i find is that Creative Market do not work as agency to sell our work, we sell our work in their marketplace. In this case CM receive % for the service. We sell our work on the price that we want and we give 30% commission to CM, but as the sale is our sale we pay tax(tax treaty with US) based on whole amount.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: File Sold on May 07, 2015, 01:24

Just sold a 4$ image on CM and I was tax withheld on 1,2$ so Im not really sure whats going on.

My country doesn't have tax treaty with US so 30% on US sale would be normal but 1,2$ is 30% of the whole 4$ sale not on 2,8 that I get.

So or they are withholding 30% on full 4$ price or they are withholding 42%+ of my 2,8$ share.


Im really interested to hear any  thoughts ?

They updatef the tax page. Have you already filled it? You have to fill it again 2015, otherwise they'll cut 30% if you don't tell them your country has a tax treaty.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on May 13, 2015, 08:04
I wonder how much longer Creative Market will survive. The fact that there aren't really any rules leads to an absurd competition that I think will ruin the site eventually. People are going crazy with bundles... even the top sellers are doing it which seems like an act of desperation to me. If their single products were selling well, why would they offer massive bundles at 80% discount??

In a year or two you will probably have to offer insanely large packs with thousands of addons/design elements/images for just a few dollars, to have any chance of selling anything at all. Who can work under those circumstances?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on May 13, 2015, 09:24
The logic i find is that Creative Market do not work as agency to sell our work, we sell our work in their marketplace. In this case CM receive % for the service. We sell our work on the price that we want and we give 30% commission to CM, but as the sale is our sale we pay tax(tax treaty with US) based on whole amount.

That's the Envato logic, but I don't find that to be the case at CM or anywhere else. I don't think it was even valid at Envato. A company can't claim to have paid a contributor the full amount of the sale and then not actually give them the full amount in pay. As far as I'm concerned, what hits my PayPal account from CM is what I was paid, by CM and not by the buyer (which is how a true marketplace would work).

CM pays me, so they're an agent.
 
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on May 13, 2015, 09:28
I wonder how much longer Creative Market will survive. The fact that there aren't really any rules leads to an absurd competition that I think will ruin the site eventually. People are going crazy with bundles... even the top sellers are doing it which seems like an act of desperation to me. If their single products were selling well, why would they offer massive bundles at 80% discount??

That I don't know. All I can say is that from what I see, small bundles (sets of 9 graphics, similar to what I'd include in a single image elsewhere) and individual graphics do sell and I'm not feeling any pressure to produce larger bundles. My sales are not going down because I don't bundle.

In a year or two you will probably have to offer insanely large packs with thousands of addons/design elements/images for just a few dollars, to have any chance of selling anything at all. Who can work under those circumstances?

I've been with CM for 2 years now, and as mentioned I'm feeling no pressure to change what I'm doing to compete with the bundlers. I don't see that changing any time soon, not even within the next year.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 09, 2015, 11:55
Oh dear ...

https://creativemarket.com/bundle/photography-bundle (https://creativemarket.com/bundle/photography-bundle)

(http://www.seanlockephotography.com/images/examples/creativeMarket.jpg)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on June 09, 2015, 11:58
Oh dear ...

https://creativemarket.com/bundle/photography-bundle

Yeah, that was my reaction too. It's like they want to kill their own business... those monthly bundles can't be good in the long run.

But to be fair, at least they don't seem to include any best sellers in those bundles... but still. It's a bit extreme.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 09, 2015, 12:00
Uh, it's the "154 Premium Stock Photos From Stocksy and Snapwire" I'm a bit concerned about.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on June 09, 2015, 12:06
Oh, haha. Didn't even notice that.

Now I see that there's a user called "Stocksy" selling packs... from Stocksy, I suppose. :P
Using a competitor to sell your own images. That's a new strategy.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 09, 2015, 12:07
Oh, haha. Didn't even notice that.

Now I see that there's a user called "Stocksy" selling packs... from Stocksy, I suppose. :P
Using a competitor to sell your own images. That's a new strategy.

I just found my way through to that page.  I'm checking on that, but I doubt it's real.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on June 09, 2015, 12:13
Yeah, it sure seems weird. If it's in fact a fake account, then Creative Market has really hit a new low when it comes to legal matters...
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Shelma1 on June 09, 2015, 12:14
CM seems to be becoming the bargain basement of stock.

I hate to think this person might be reselling Stocksy photos.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on June 09, 2015, 12:33
But can it really be stolen images?? Seems a bit weird that the people at CM would put these images in their bundle without making sure that the "Stocksy" user is real.

But on the other hand, they're already braking the law in a few other ways, so maybe it wouldn't be that strange.  :P
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 09, 2015, 12:38
https://creativemarket.com/Stocksy

This looks like - and has the logo of - the agency.

And I don't think anyone on CM would offer a pineapple pack for $1,300...

And SnapWire has an account on CM too?

https://creativemarket.com/SnapwireMedia
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Monkeyman on June 09, 2015, 12:40
Hehe, true. And no CM buyer would pay 1300 for it either.  :P
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 09, 2015, 12:43
Hehe, true. And no CM buyer would pay 1300 for it either.  :P

Perhaps they'd take the flower pack - 30 photos for $2,800?

https://creativemarket.com/Stocksy/280407-Stocksy-Floral-Pack
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 09, 2015, 12:47
Apparently, it's a legit promotion of some kind.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Deyan Georgiev Photography on June 09, 2015, 13:34
30 photos for $2,800 doesn't look real deal, but will be awesome if it's possible.
Great to see Stocksy and Snapwire in Creative Market :)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Evty on June 09, 2015, 22:01
Man I've been eyeing Creative Market since its inception drooling. Would love to contribute but my iStock Exclusive contract has me in chains.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Me on June 10, 2015, 02:43
Apparently, it's a legit promotion of some kind.

What would be Stocksy's thinking and strategic thought behind this move? Why would they include their images in bundles at reduced rates? Did the creators have any say as to whether their images were included or not?

Not directed at just you Sean, any thoughts welcome.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Semmick Photo on June 10, 2015, 05:31
Stocksy giving away $9000 value for $39?

Interesting to hear their motives
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 10, 2015, 09:50
Stocksy giving away $9000 value for $39?

Interesting to hear their motives

No idea whether it will work or not, but surely the only explanation is marketing - raising awareness of the agency hoping to covert purchasers of the bundle to buyers of other works directly from Stocksy.

At the prices Stocksy's collections have on CM, the bundles seem to be unlikely to sell. You don't mind a few images you won't use in a $30 or $50 bundle, but for $2,800 you'll want to use most or all. Not to mention that's a million dollar mansion on a street of $200,000 homes - CM buyers may have sticker shock even if they like the images.

Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Shelma1 on June 10, 2015, 10:56
I'm not sure what the strategy is either. If you give away a pack of photos for much-lower-than-DPC prices there will be huge sticker shock if you visit the Stocksy site.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Pixart on June 10, 2015, 13:46
Whenever I buy bundles the lightroom presets and photos that are included are total crap and I think they stuff the bundles full of this so it looks like are really good deal (although this is a photography bundles so maybe they are actually good).  The regular design tools and fonts are a steal.

Stocksy might be testing the waters on CM to see if it is worth offering bundles on their own site?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Me on June 10, 2015, 23:50
Whenever I buy bundles the lightroom presets and photos that are included are total crap and I think they stuff the bundles full of this so it looks like are really good deal (although this is a photography bundles so maybe they are actually good).  The regular design tools and fonts are a steal.

Stocksy might be testing the waters on CM to see if it is worth offering bundles on their own site?

If that is the case, isn't that the first step to the "stack it high and sell it cheap" mentality? Supermarket mentality versus boutique niche mentality? I may be wrong but I thought Stocksy were aiming more for the niche, unusual, non-stock aesthetic market, not the high volume pushing prices down market?

I appreciate things change, but in this case wouldn't that possibly indicate maybe things aren't quite as rosy as everyone hoped?

To me it looks like a car dealer selling high end marques who is struggling and then comes across a job lot of GM models dirt cheap so buys them and sticks them on the lot and sells them. All of a sudden his marque sales get worse because people are waiting for the next job lot of GM models at low prices. Although there are two distinct and different markets, they do not complement each other, and both attract different buyers and repel the other buyers/markets.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 11, 2015, 08:43
I think it's an attempt to get the name in front of people who might not normally see it.  The fact that the images are priced at thousands show that they aren't trying to sell them cheap.  I think.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Me on June 11, 2015, 10:40
Oh dear ...

[url]https://creativemarket.com/bundle/photography-bundle[/url] ([url]https://creativemarket.com/bundle/photography-bundle[/url])

([url]http://www.seanlockephotography.com/images/examples/creativeMarket.jpg[/url])


I think it's an attempt to get the name in front of people who might not normally see it.  The fact that the images are priced at thousands show that they aren't trying to sell them cheap.  I think.


I was referring to this Sean, where Stocksy images are bundled with hundreds of other items - are you referring to Stocksy images being priced at thousands on Stocksy?

Surely a marketing campaign and strategy would be a more effective way of getting the name in front of people? Especially the right people - not ones looking for cheap bundles? I appreciate you are in the dark on this Sean but you are the only Stocksy member on here who may be able to give us some insight.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: franzi on July 20, 2015, 13:06
I recently got accepted to CM as a seller (yay!), but I am confused about how to set my prices. I am new to the design business, I have done it as a hobby for years but now want to sell professionally.

I agree that a lot of people on CM have ridiculously low prices. But how do you set the prices for your images? Per hour of work? Per perceived value? And how much per hour (or whatever your criteria is) is reasonable? I don't want to underprice my work, but also fear that nobody buys anything if my prices are too high.

And maybe I should ditch the bundles/sets?! Or make them smaller? I just created them cuz everybody does  ???

Here's my profiles: https://creativemarket.com/franzidraws

Thanks for your help!!!  :)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: cuppacoffee on July 20, 2015, 15:40
Although their intentions are good it is a pain to purchase fonts there. I buy multiple font licenses for commercial use and have to purchase them individually instead of by a multi-seat license. When purchasing a font for 50 users (not unusual) I have to hit buy and go through entering my purchase info 50 times. Needless to say, I either pass or go elsewhere for a similar font. That's something they should fix if they want commercial sales. Big companies buy lots of fonts but not there.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: sweetgirll on July 20, 2015, 20:05
Hi, congratualions Franzi....

As for prices, I think your prices are okay there...You are selling a royalty free license, so is not like custom work for a client where you set your hourly rates...

....But I saw your illustration style, and I think you would benefit from some tips from a children's book illustrator I know, and I am going to recommend his youtube chanel. Will Terry, he is a pro. https://www.youtube.com/user/willterryart (https://www.youtube.com/user/willterryart)  not only he has illustrated books for some top publishing houses, he  teaches college, has an online school where he teaches children's book illustration classes. Check his youtube video he gives out a lot of advice, look for pricing artwork in his chanel...

Just a quesiton about creativemarket, did it take long for them to accept you there after you send them the request?


I recently got accepted to CM as a seller (yay!), but I am confused about how to set my prices. I am new to the design business, I have done it as a hobby for years but now want to sell professionally.

I agree that a lot of people on CM have ridiculously low prices. But how do you set the prices for your images? Per hour of work? Per perceived value? And how much per hour (or whatever your criteria is) is reasonable? I don't want to underprice my work, but also fear that nobody buys anything if my prices are too high.

And maybe I should ditch the bundles/sets?! Or make them smaller? I just created them cuz everybody does  ???

Here's my profiles: https://creativemarket.com/franzidraws (https://creativemarket.com/franzidraws)

Thanks for your help!!!  :)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: franzi on August 01, 2015, 16:24
Hi Monica,
sorry that it took me so long to reply (I assumed I would get an email notice, but maybe that ended up in the spam folder...). Thank you so much for your detailed answer!!

It didn't take long to get accepted by Creative Market, I think less than a week, definitely not longer than one week.

Thank you for the link, I will have a look at the video right after this post :)

A customer on CM contacted me for an extended commercial license, now I am reading licenses by different users, trying to figure out how much to charge and what my conditions could be. And everybody has totally different licenses. I hate licensing  :-\
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on December 07, 2015, 19:05
Check out the latest - new licenses on CM: https://creativemarket.com/discussions/19042-New-licenses-are-here!-Post-all-your-questions-here-please-%29

Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: ShadySue on December 07, 2015, 19:23
Check out the latest - new licenses on CM: https://creativemarket.com/discussions/19042-New-licenses-are-here!-Post-all-your-questions-here-please-%29
That led to a 404-not found with a popup inviting me to download "free design assets".
Maybe you have to be logged in to see it?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on December 07, 2015, 19:29
Check out the latest - new licenses on CM: https://creativemarket.com/discussions/19042-New-licenses-are-here!-Post-all-your-questions-here-please-%29
That led to a 404-not found with a popup inviting me to download "free design assets".
Maybe you have to be logged in to see it?

Yes, probably.  It's in the "shop owners" section.

One humorous bit is that they've basically said that all the homemade "extended licenses" that people have sold over the years are meaningless - only the CM license applies to the buyer.  Yet: https://creativemarket.com/search?q=extended
Title: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 07, 2015, 19:47
I just took a look and got a 404 error until I logged in

This goes live Dec 10th ( they need to remove the MM-DD-YY boilerplate from the FAQ;)

Not sure about their 10x recommendation for the extended license price - I'll have to figure out what I think will work. I didn't see whether you could opt out of extended licenses if you wanted to for particular items

They also refer to use in logos. Later they note that you cannot trademark any logos with licensed components or hold copyright / they'd do better to just say you can't use in logos. Who wants a logo other people can use?
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 07, 2015, 20:21
I read more in the forums and all products must have both licenses. So I guess you could just put $9,999 for any product you didn't want to have an EL :)

I posted a comment in their forums - it'd be good if anyone else who sells there adds thoughts now (before it goes live)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on December 09, 2015, 12:57

I'm glad to see the EL option finally. Buyers have been asking for it for a long time, and now people don't have to offer a makeshift EL as a "product" itself. Which always seemed weird to me anyway, that people essentially were making their own ELs but creating a new product and simply selling a generic EL to apply to whatever other product the buyer had purchased to go with it.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on December 16, 2015, 08:06

Even though the discussion is a little old, for what it's worth I don't see the bundles hurting things at Creative Market for me. I don't participate in the bundles, and yet I still see plenty of sales and CM is consistently my #2 earner month after month this year.

Seems like the concern is that bundles lower buyer expectations on price, but I have yet to see any compelling evidence that it's true. I don't see how CM could be doing so well for me while I don't participate in bundles if bundles really did affect buyer behavior.

 
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 16, 2015, 09:51
you may have done better without the bundles being offered, you never know, they might have been your no1
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: EmberMike on December 16, 2015, 23:24
you may have done better without the bundles being offered, you never know, they might have been your no1

Maybe. But I have no control over whether a company offers bundles or not. I can just opt not to participate in them or opt not to do business with that company. I think it would be foolish for me to not work with CM and drop my #2 earner just because they offer bundles.

And I know you're not saying that, my point is just that despite having a bundle offering, the company still does well on individual product sales, and bundling alone shouldn't keep people away from a good company.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Pixart on December 17, 2015, 10:31
This link just came up in my facebook feeds.  Just posting here because it's from Creative Market.  Some of them really hit home :)

https://creativemarket.com/blog/2015/09/24/designer-problems?utm_source=social&utm_medium=blogposts&utm_campaign=ownedsocial (https://creativemarket.com/blog/2015/09/24/designer-problems?utm_source=social&utm_medium=blogposts&utm_campaign=ownedsocial)
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on February 24, 2016, 17:37
New licenses are live:
https://creativemarket.com/licenses

Which include "free" items for resale in the standard license, up to 500 items.  Be sure to set your items to draft or up the price if you aren't interested in giving away what is an EL everywhere else.
Title: Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 24, 2016, 19:54
Just in case it is helpful to anyone else, after thinking about the issues a bit, I decided to set all my items (it's not a huge portfolio there anyway) to draft - they're not for sale but they're not deleted either.

The problem is that if I price the standard license to include up to 500 items for resale (T shirts, prints, etc) it makes it crazy expensive for someone buying it for non-resale purposes. I could do that, but it (a) probably won't sell at the new price and (b) makes me look like a complete idiot, IMO.

The extended license is unlimited items - again, an unfortunate choice to have no limit versus 1K or 5K because if you price it for truly unlimited it'll be super expensive.

The other thing to note is that CM has made both licenses one project only - so in theory, a buyer who wants to use an item in a second project has to buy a second license. As they have no way to police this, I think it's unlikely to be observed - it's different from most RF licenses at other agencies.

Fonts got their own deal and are now licensed the way they are almost everywhere else - one user per license purchase but any number of projects including words on T shirts or other items for sale.

I have put several of the PSDs I sold on CM onto my own site so I do have a way to license them (although the traffic is better on CM so I'd rather sell there if they'd change their license terms...)