Author Topic: DeepSeek (Read 3407 times)

stoker2014 · « **on:** January 28, 2025, 12:32 »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepSeek

US and EU tech stocks plummet. $1 trillion crash.
So, has anyone used this Chinese model for writing tags? Is it better than chat gpt or not?

bennu99 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2025, 16:33 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 28, 2025, 12:32

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepSeek

US and EU tech stocks plummet. $1 trillion crash.
So, has anyone used this Chinese model for writing tags? Is it better than chat gpt or not?

I tried it. For tags and metadata in general I am not impressed - o1 is way better. For images again - there are many that are way better. For code - its the best I tried so far.

cobalt · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2025, 18:58 »

thank you for giving us some perspective, I was wondering how good it really is

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2025, 03:25 »

I don't understand the hype about Deepseek. It was obviously trained with answers of OpenAI's ChatGPT.

The LLM will even state it is ChatGPT if you ask how it was trained. So yeah sure Deepseek's development was alot cheaper because it's just a replication.

It even suck's in comparison to Meta's Llama 3.1-405B.

Bauman · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2025, 15:44 »

OpenAI says DeepSeek used its work without permission to create an AI that's stealing its job ... Which is blatantly hypocritical ... Since that's exactly what OpenAI did to human artists.

And i copied this from X

cobalt · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2025, 16:31 »

read that as well. it is ok if they steal everything from the internet, but not if others do it to them.

bennu99 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2025, 16:50 »

Karma is b*h

bennu99 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2025, 17:07 »

Since DeepSeek is almost free (offering most of its products in a nonprofit-like manner), OpenAI and similar companies should accept this - just as 'those who now cry out loud' once defended themselves when questioned about how they trained their models.

pancaketom · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2025, 18:22 »

The Chinese plagiarism program plagiarized off the US plagiarism program and does it cheaper with less energy, maybe time for the US program to plagiarize back.

AM24 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2025, 01:25 »

Other problems relating to DeepSeek may include:

Chinese strict censorship may compromise data.

"Yet when questions veer into territory that would be restricted or heavily moderated on China’s domestic internet, the responses reveal aspects of the country’s tight information controls."

"An audit by US-based information reliability analytics firm NewsGuard released Wednesday said DeepSeek’s older V3 chatbot model failed to provide accurate information about news and information topics 83% of the time. It’s not clear how the newer R1 stacks up, however."

Security concerns:

"Unlike TikTok, which says as of July 2022 it stores all American data in the US, DeepSeek says in its privacy policy that personal information it collects is stored in “secure servers located in the People’s Republic of China.”

"Each DeepSeek, OpenAI and Meta say they collect people’s data such as from their account information, activities on the platforms and the devices they’re using. But DeepSeek adds that it also collects “keystroke patterns or rhythms,” which can be as uniquely identifying as a fingerprint or facial recognition and used a biometric."

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/29/china/deepseek-ai-china-censorship-moderation-intl-hnk/index.html

But I do like Bauman and bennu99's answers above

stoker2014 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2025, 03:21 »

Quote from: AM24 on January 30, 2025, 01:25

“secure servers located in the People’s Republic of China.”

Yes, that's why I don't want to use a Chinese program. It's the same as using a Russian program.

Big Money · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2025, 09:41 »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/29/ai-game-changer-or-overhyped-deepseek-faces-scrutiny-over-bold-claims

More like "DeepFAKE"

bennu99 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2025, 11:01 »

The U.S. struggles to accept that it is no longer the leader in tech development. That has been the case for a while, but what is happening now can only be called 'fair'—a return to the people, to society. Whether they needed six, seven, or more milions doesn’t really matter. What matters is that many people who previously lacked access to such technologies will now have it, helping to build and evolve society as a whole, rather than serving only a select few, their deep-pocketed investors, and their high-return expectations within days.

Don't get me wrong—I have been to China on multiple occasions, so I understand that it’s largely about data control. But in the end, it's a battle of giants. What matters most to me is that ordinary people will have the opportunity to use this technology and create something meaningful.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2025, 12:21 »

Quote from: bennu99 on January 30, 2025, 11:01

Don't get me wrong—I have been to China on multiple occasions, so I understand that it’s largely about data control. But in the end, it's a battle of giants. What matters most to me is that ordinary people will have the opportunity to use this technology and create something meaningful.

These are not ordinary people, these are communists. China has a totalitarian regime. Moreover, china finances all the world's terrorists and supports genocide. Covid 19 is a weapon of mass destruction made in china. Fentanyl-based drugs that china supplies to the EU and the US are also weapons and kill millions of people of mobilization age.
There is a war going on, World War III, and china is not a friend, but an enemy.

bennu99 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2025, 12:59 »

I am not Chinese, but China is a country that has existed for millennia, long before many other nations even came into being. That alone suggests a depth of wisdom accumulated over time. As a society, they place great value on tradition, heritage, and education.

As for your statement: 'China finances all the world's terrorists, supports genocide, created COVID-19 as a weapon of mass destruction, and supplies fentanyl-based drugs to the EU and the US to kill millions of people of mobilization age' - that is a highly questionable claim to accept at face value. Neither I nor anyone outside the highest levels of government can ever fully know the absolute truth, so I will not engage in a discussion based on speculation.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 30, 2025, 13:28 »

Quote from: bennu99 on January 30, 2025, 12:59

I am not Chinese, but China is a country that has existed for millennia, long before many other nations even came into being. That alone suggests a depth of wisdom accumulated over time. As a society, they place great value on tradition, heritage, and education.

Suitcase-train station-china-communist party.

Legitimate and democratic china, with history, is only Taiwan. Initially, in the UN, only Taiwan represented the whole of china. But because of the idiotic policy of the US at that time, Taiwan was expelled from the UN. The idiotic policy of the US led to the emergence of the Chinese monster in the end.

Quote from: bennu99 on January 30, 2025, 12:59

As for your statement: 'China finances all the world's terrorists, supports genocide, created COVID-19 as a weapon of mass destruction, and supplies fentanyl-based drugs to the EU and the US to kill millions of people of mobilization age' - that is a highly questionable claim to accept at face value. Neither I nor anyone outside the highest levels of government can ever fully know the absolute truth, so I will not engage in a discussion based on speculation.

You don't read newspapers, you're not interested in politics, so you're illiterate in these matters. I wrote the known truths. Moreover, china is the enemy and threat №1 for the US, which is written in the US security strategy.
Praising china is the same as praising russia, north korea, iran or belarus. All these countries form the axis of world evil.

Big Money · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2025, 13:34 »

Quote from: bennu99 on January 30, 2025, 12:59

I am not Chinese, but China is a country that has existed for millennia, long before many other nations even came into being. That alone suggests a depth of wisdom accumulated over time. As a society, they place great value on tradition, heritage, and education.

As for your statement: 'China finances all the world's terrorists, supports genocide, created COVID-19 as a weapon of mass destruction, and supplies fentanyl-based drugs to the EU and the US to kill millions of people of mobilization age' - that is a highly questionable claim to accept at face value. Neither I nor anyone outside the highest levels of government can ever fully know the absolute truth, so I will not engage in a discussion based on speculation.

FYI

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/china-based-chemical-manufacturing-companies-and-employees-indicted-alleged-fentanyl

bennu99 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2025, 14:00 »

AI’s $600B Question

A great read - even more relevant now than when it was first posted. https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/ais-600b-question

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2025, 00:15 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 30, 2025, 13:28

But because of the idiotic policy of the US at that time, Taiwan was expelled from the UN. The idiotic policy of the US led to the emergence of the Chinese monster in the end.

So Republicans led to the emergence of the 'Chinese monster', as they were in power in 1971. Excellent... sounds like you're finally starting to understand.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2025, 03:16 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on January 31, 2025, 00:15

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 30, 2025, 13:28

But because of the idiotic policy of the US at that time, Taiwan was expelled from the UN. The idiotic policy of the US led to the emergence of the Chinese monster in the end.

So Republicans led to the emergence of the 'Chinese monster', as they were in power in 1971. Excellent... sounds like you're finally starting to understand.

Not exactly. In 1979, Democrat Jimmy Carter began trade and investment in china. This, more than anything else, led to the creation of a monster.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2025, 03:59 »

So it wasn't Taiwan leaving the UN?! Make your mind up!

Big Money · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2025, 08:22 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on January 31, 2025, 03:59

So it wasn't Taiwan leaving the UN?! Make your mind up!

History of Taiwan--- How fast we got side tracked on the actual post of the OP. Wonder if Deepseek would mention the history of Taiwan?

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/world/united-nations/68163/how-taiwan-lost-its-place-at-the-un

stoker2014 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2025, 09:16 »

Quote from: Big Money on January 31, 2025, 08:22

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/world/united-nations/68163/how-taiwan-lost-its-place-at-the-un

1. china, russia, iran and north korea should be kicked out of the UN in disgrace.
2. Only Taiwan should represent all of China.
3. Taiwan should be recognized as the legal successor of all of China.
4. Guterres is a friend of Russian Na.zis, he should be jailed.

fotoVoyager · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2025, 15:15 »

Good take:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/31/tech-bros-deepseek-china-sam-altman-openai?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2025, 15:22 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on January 31, 2025, 00:15

So Republicans led to the emergence of the 'Chinese monster', as they were in power in 1971. Excellent... sounds like you're finally starting to understand.

Just for humor and spin, my far left friend says "Nixon didn't do anything, he just happened to be President at the time." Now of course, Nixon and Kissinger were the devils that did this to the world.

Quote from: Big Money on January 31, 2025, 08:22

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on January 31, 2025, 03:59
So it wasn't Taiwan leaving the UN?! Make your mind up!

History of Taiwan--- How fast we got side tracked on the actual post of the OP. Wonder if Deepseek would mention the history of Taiwan?

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/world/united-nations/68163/how-taiwan-lost-its-place-at-the-un

Yeah, we got to almost 20 replies before someone threw out the N-Word, attacking the other side.

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