Author Topic: Did users really beat Instagram? (Read 9065 times)

RacePhoto · « **on:** December 27, 2012, 15:19 »

Read this. I guess not and it was just a wording change?

And that is the point that Facebook and Instagram, and every other online service, want to make to the public: “We can’t do this for free, forever. You, dear User, whether by paying us directly or letting us resell your information to third parties — since that’s the most creative idea we have — need to have some skin in the game. Our servers and software don’t run for free. We have to pay our employees.”

It’s just the hard truth — as it stands today — of businesses on the Internet. Maybe someday — hopefully — more creative monetization strategies will bring about change.

But the adage, “If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product” is not an opinion, it is the reality.

http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2012/12/21/instagrams-retreat-still-not-a-victory-for-users/

cathyslife · « **Reply #1 on:** December 27, 2012, 16:43 »

then explain to me how zuckerberg made billions while fb has been free all this time? no, they are just greedy and have all those mouths to feed now.

im tired of being everyone elses product and making them millions while i can barely eke out a living.

Poncke · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2012, 16:51 »

Ads and an IPO?

michaeldb · « **Reply #3 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:01 »

I had a sense that Instagram, when they backed off their original language change saying that it was taken wrong, were lying. Instagram, FB, Pinterest, and Google itself are our enemies in a long-term war against copyright. When we lose our rights, they make billions, and they know that very well. It is some of us who fail to understand it.

cathyslife · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2012, 17:30 »

Quote from: Poncke on December 27, 2012, 16:51

Ads and an IPO?

Yes, ads (before the IPO he was already a zillionaire), which are still on the site. We shouldn't have to give up copyrights just so they can boost their bottom line.

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I had a sense that Instagram, when they backed off their original language change saying that it was taken wrong, were lying. Instagram, FB, Pinterest, and Google itself are our enemies in a long-term war against copyright. When we lose our rights, they make billions, and they know that very well. It is some of us who fail to understand it.

I didn't think for one NY minute that they were actually going to back down. They will just have their attorneys rearrange the weasel words to make us think they have changed their mind.

pancaketom · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2012, 18:06 »

Nope instagram got caught out with a massive rights grab. They backed off and will try to get their way via some sneakier legal method - similar to the FB strategy.

They made billions in their IPO, and or sales, but now they need to use us as the product to sell to advertisers and marketers. Curiously enough some of us don't want to just give everything to them.

gostwyck · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2012, 19:02 »

Quote from: cclapper on December 27, 2012, 16:43

then explain to me how zuckerberg made billions while fb has been free all this time? no, they are just greedy and have all those mouths to feed now.

im tired of being everyone elses product and making them millions while i can barely eke out a living.

Then don't use their sites. The FB IPO is something of an illusion. You could equally argue that Zuckerberg has lost billions since it happened. They have no way of ever monetizing FB to justify anything like the price they are supposedly valued at. It may take years ... but eventually it will come out in the wash.

Anyway, like it or not, this is the 'information age'. It's not strictly true that you are the product btw, it's the information about you that is actually the product.

cathyslife · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2012, 20:18 »

Quote from: gostwyck on December 27, 2012, 19:02

Quote from: cclapper on December 27, 2012, 16:43
then explain to me how zuckerberg made billions while fb has been free all this time? no, they are just greedy and have all those mouths to feed now.

im tired of being everyone elses product and making them millions while i can barely eke out a living.

Then don't use their sites. The FB IPO is something of an illusion. You could equally argue that Zuckerberg has lost billions since it happened. They have no way of ever monetizing FB to justify anything like the price they are supposedly valued at. It may take years ... but eventually it will come out in the wash.

Anyway, like it or not, this is the 'information age'. It's not strictly true that you are the product btw, it's the information about you that is actually the product.

Actually, I can use the site the way I always have, to keep in touch with family and friends, and not upload photos, play games, click on ads, share and reshare things, or like anything that's clearly a company's attempt at gathering data, i.e. images that have hundreds of thousands of likes and comments. When it comes to the point where they MAKE me do that, I won't use their sites.

And this might be the information age, but I get to decide what information I give away.

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But the adage, “If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product” is not an opinion, it is the reality.

This is the quote posted by the OP, from Instagram. They seem to think I am the product.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #8 on:** December 27, 2012, 21:55 »

The article is not from Instagram, it's a review of the situation.

“If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product”

Has been the catch line of what's really going on at Facebook and the rest of the free social networking sites. We are the product. I'm not interested, but I will play there. I won't put anything useful of important there, ever.

Quote from: pancaketom on December 27, 2012, 18:06

Nope instagram got caught out with a massive rights grab. They backed off and will try to get their way via some sneakier legal method - similar to the FB strategy.

You didn't follow the link and read the article did you?

They already had the rights and were just changing the wording to make it more straight forward. So going back, they can still use us.

This Part: The old terms were roughly the same — just less concise. They state that Instagram “may display advertisements and promotions….on, about, or in conjunction with your (photos).”

They also say “You hereby grant to Instagram a …royalty-free … license to use the Content that you post … subject to the Service’s Privacy Policy.”

No I don't approve or like it. All the cheering about beating Instagram and Facebook, how the little people beat the big corporations... is an empty victory that didn't change anything.

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #9 on:** December 29, 2012, 11:22 »

Quote from: cclapper on December 27, 2012, 17:30

Quote from: Poncke on December 27, 2012, 16:51
Ads and an IPO?

Yes, ads (before the IPO he was already a zillionaire), which are still on the site. We shouldn't have to give up copyrights just so they can boost their bottom line.

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I had a sense that Instagram, when they backed off their original language change saying that it was taken wrong, were lying. Instagram, FB, Pinterest, and Google itself are our enemies in a long-term war against copyright. When we lose our rights, they make billions, and they know that very well. It is some of us who fail to understand it.

I didn't think for one NY minute that they were actually going to back down. They will just have their attorneys rearrange the weasel words to make us think they have changed their mind.

Rearranged the weasel words good way to say it and going back nothing changes. Many of these witch hunts are fueled by mass hysteria and panic. Nothing changed except peoples who think they stopped a change.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2013, 09:42 »

Another viewpoint. What I find most humorous is this guy says, to beat Instagram use Flickr?

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/19/technology/social/instagram-photos-privacy/index.html?source=linkedin&goback=.gde_107702_member_200632018

But it covers some other territory about sites that use our public information and efforts to promote.

Twitter Filters, I never noticed.

Poncke · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2013, 12:14 »

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/instagram-loses-its-quarter-of-daily-users.aspx?pageID=238&nid=37967

Instagram loses its quarter of daily users

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2013, 13:36 »

Haven't seen the new terms yet?

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2013, 00:13 »

Quote from: Poncke on January 03, 2013, 12:14

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/instagram-loses-its-quarter-of-daily-users.aspx?pageID=238&nid=37967

Instagram loses its quarter of daily users

Over Christmas. How many daily users did you lose in Christmas week? What did you do to drive them away?

Poncke · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2013, 03:22 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on January 04, 2013, 00:13

Quote from: Poncke on January 03, 2013, 12:14
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/instagram-loses-its-quarter-of-daily-users.aspx?pageID=238&nid=37967

Instagram loses its quarter of daily users

Over Christmas. How many daily users did you lose in Christmas week? What did you do to drive them away?

I suggest you ask the author of that article, no need to shoot the messenger. Did you read the article anyway?

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2013, 04:35 »

Quote from: Poncke on January 04, 2013, 03:22

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on January 04, 2013, 00:13
Quote from: Poncke on January 03, 2013, 12:14
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/instagram-loses-its-quarter-of-daily-users.aspx?pageID=238&nid=37967

Instagram loses its quarter of daily users

Over Christmas. How many daily users did you lose in Christmas week? What did you do to drive them away?
I suggest you ask the author of that article, no need to shoot the messenger. Did you read the article anyway?

Yes, I did, and I know it mentions it being an unstable time of year and Instagram's denial - but really it is silly to present Christmas week as having any relevance to anything.

And the messenger did add his own line under the link!

I very much doubt if more than a small minority of instagram users care what is done with their snaps, most of which will have no commercial value anyway.

Poncke · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2013, 04:58 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on January 04, 2013, 04:35

Quote from: Poncke on January 04, 2013, 03:22
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on January 04, 2013, 00:13
Quote from: Poncke on January 03, 2013, 12:14
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/instagram-loses-its-quarter-of-daily-users.aspx?pageID=238&nid=37967

Instagram loses its quarter of daily users

Over Christmas. How many daily users did you lose in Christmas week? What did you do to drive them away?
I suggest you ask the author of that article, no need to shoot the messenger. Did you read the article anyway?

Yes, I did, and I know it mentions it being an unstable time of year and Instagram's denial - but really it is silly to present Christmas week as having any relevance to anything.

And the messenger did add his own line under the link!

I very much doubt if more than a small minority of instagram users care what is done with their snaps, most of which will have no commercial value anyway.

No thats the quoted article header.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:06 »

Just got notice this morning.

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NOTICE OF PENDING CLASS ACTION AND NOTICE OF PROPOSED SETTLEMENT
ANGEL FRALEY V. FACEBOOK, INC.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2013, 16:27 »

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on January 04, 2013, 08:06

Just got notice this morning.

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NOTICE OF PENDING CLASS ACTION AND NOTICE OF PROPOSED SETTLEMENT
ANGEL FRALEY V. FACEBOOK, INC.

Me too, now that should make them think about using us for advertising, without permission.

If you read down a little, the Max. any person can get is $10. I'm not sure it's worth filling out the forms.

Class actions, where the companies pay millions and the attorneys are the only ones who profit.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2013, 17:43 »

Yo bud +1

Quote from: RacePhoto on January 04, 2013, 16:27

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on January 04, 2013, 08:06
Just got notice this morning.

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NOTICE OF PENDING CLASS ACTION AND NOTICE OF PROPOSED SETTLEMENT
ANGEL FRALEY V. FACEBOOK, INC.

Me too, now that should make them think about using us for advertising, without permission.

If you read down a little, the Max. any person can get is $10. I'm not sure it's worth filling out the forms.

Class actions, where the companies pay millions and the attorneys are the only ones who profit.

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