Author Topic: Do you use an AI keyworder or do it all manually? (Read 2796 times)

Ruga123 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 05, 2024, 10:48 »

Quote from: cascoly on March 04, 2024, 14:18

Quote from: Ruga123 on March 03, 2024, 19:57
Quote from: cascoly on March 03, 2024, 17:49
Quote from: DaLiu on March 03, 2024, 09:56
The problem with all these AI tools, they don't provide the location, keywords and description about location which for me is very important, even tho the test image had the coordinates in the picture, Udream (the only one tested) didn't use any of that info to provide the location, so useless for me.

when i use chatgpt i ask for tags from my description which does include the location

The way I understood the comment, the ask is for the tool to figure out the location by itself which it can do if the image contains the gps metadata (which is more reverse geocoding than AI) or if the image is of a recognizable location.

but location alone can't tell what's in the background,esp'ly for landscapes - eg a view from a pass may be looking in any of 4 directions with different mountains to be named.

The ask was merely to obtain the location from the location metadata in the first place (in lieu of manually as you say you do).
From there, most would expect the location helps set the context for the rest of the keywords with respect to what’s in the picture..
eg. A picture of a big metal tower in Paris, or a big canyon in Arizona, or a large waterfall in Zambia. With location, a good guess could be made as to what each description is referring to.

Another example would be of wildlife where almost all Id forums ask for location (and date) because different species can otherwise look identical.

cascoly · « **Reply #26 on:** March 06, 2024, 14:34 »

Quote from: Ruga123 on March 05, 2024, 10:48

Quote from: cascoly on March 04, 2024, 14:18
Quote from: Ruga123 on March 03, 2024, 19:57
Quote from: cascoly on March 03, 2024, 17:49
Quote from: DaLiu on March 03, 2024, 09:56
The problem with all these AI tools, they don't provide the location, keywords and description about location which for me is very important, even tho the test image had the coordinates in the picture, Udream (the only one tested) didn't use any of that info to provide the location, so useless for me.

when i use chatgpt i ask for tags from my description which does include the location

The way I understood the comment, the ask is for the tool to figure out the location by itself which it can do if the image contains the gps metadata (which is more reverse geocoding than AI) or if the image is of a recognizable location.

but location alone can't tell what's in the background,esp'ly for landscapes - eg a view from a pass may be looking in any of 4 directions with different mountains to be named.

The ask was merely to obtain the location from the location metadata in the first place (in lieu of manually as you say you do).
From there, most would expect the location helps set the context for the rest of the keywords with respect to what’s in the picture..
eg. A picture of a big metal tower in Paris, or a big canyon in Arizona, or a large waterfall in Zambia. With location, a good guess could be made as to what each description is referring to.

Another example would be of wildlife where almost all Id forums ask for location (and date) because different species can otherwise look identical.

but there can be different species in the same location - eg crows vs ravens, or multiple species of antelope, etc

i'd rather enter the actual information rather than have the AI 'guess' what i'm photographing - if location is 'pisa' it cant know whether image is the tower, the cathedral or a zoom of the coat of arms on a wall, or a detail of columns or sculptures; in Nuremberg several cathedrals are visible from one place. better to use a AI that does an image search in the first place

Ruga123 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 06, 2024, 19:01 »

Quote from: cascoly on March 06, 2024, 14:34

Quote from: Ruga123 on March 05, 2024, 10:48
Quote from: cascoly on March 04, 2024, 14:18
Quote from: Ruga123 on March 03, 2024, 19:57
Quote from: cascoly on March 03, 2024, 17:49
Quote from: DaLiu on March 03, 2024, 09:56
The problem with all these AI tools, they don't provide the location, keywords and description about location which for me is very important, even tho the test image had the coordinates in the picture, Udream (the only one tested) didn't use any of that info to provide the location, so useless for me.

when i use chatgpt i ask for tags from my description which does include the location

The way I understood the comment, the ask is for the tool to figure out the location by itself which it can do if the image contains the gps metadata (which is more reverse geocoding than AI) or if the image is of a recognizable location.

but location alone can't tell what's in the background,esp'ly for landscapes - eg a view from a pass may be looking in any of 4 directions with different mountains to be named.

The ask was merely to obtain the location from the location metadata in the first place (in lieu of manually as you say you do).
From there, most would expect the location helps set the context for the rest of the keywords with respect to what’s in the picture..
eg. A picture of a big metal tower in Paris, or a big canyon in Arizona, or a large waterfall in Zambia. With location, a good guess could be made as to what each description is referring to.

Another example would be of wildlife where almost all Id forums ask for location (and date) because different species can otherwise look identical.
but there can be different species in the same location - eg crows vs ravens, or multiple species of antelope, etc

i'd rather enter the actual information rather than have the AI 'guess' what i'm photographing - if location is 'pisa' it cant know whether image is the tower, the cathedral or a zoom of the coat of arms on a wall, or a detail of columns or sculptures; in Nuremberg several cathedrals are visible from one place. better to use a AI that does an image search in the first place

First, if the image has gps coordinated as implied by @DaLiu comment, then no guessing is needed. Reverse geocode provides a location.

Second, the AI tools I’m referring to take an image as input (for ChatGPT you need a subscription or use a 3rd party tool that uses the paid API). Thus, location would merely aid it in its description and would not dictate it.

cascoly · « **Reply #28 on:** March 08, 2024, 21:38 »

Quote from: Ruga123 on March 06, 2024, 19:01

Quote from: cascoly on March 06, 2024, 14:34
Quote from: Ruga123 on March 05, 2024, 10:48
Quote from: cascoly on March 04, 2024, 14:18
Quote from: Ruga123 on March 03, 2024, 19:57
Quote from: cascoly on March 03, 2024, 17:49
Quote from: DaLiu on March 03, 2024, 09:56
The problem with all these AI tools, they don't provide the location, keywords and description about location which for me is very important, even tho the test image had the coordinates in the picture, Udream (the only one tested) didn't use any of that info to provide the location, so useless for me.

when i use chatgpt i ask for tags from my description which does include the location

The way I understood the comment, the ask is for the tool to figure out the location by itself which it can do if the image contains the gps metadata (which is more reverse geocoding than AI) or if the image is of a recognizable location.

but location alone can't tell what's in the background,esp'ly for landscapes - eg a view from a pass may be looking in any of 4 directions with different mountains to be named.

The ask was merely to obtain the location from the location metadata in the first place (in lieu of manually as you say you do).
From there, most would expect the location helps set the context for the rest of the keywords with respect to what’s in the picture..
eg. A picture of a big metal tower in Paris, or a big canyon in Arizona, or a large waterfall in Zambia. With location, a good guess could be made as to what each description is referring to.

Another example would be of wildlife where almost all Id forums ask for location (and date) because different species can otherwise look identical.
but there can be different species in the same location - eg crows vs ravens, or multiple species of antelope, etc

i'd rather enter the actual information rather than have the AI 'guess' what i'm photographing - if location is 'pisa' it cant know whether image is the tower, the cathedral or a zoom of the coat of arms on a wall, or a detail of columns or sculptures; in Nuremberg several cathedrals are visible from one place. better to use a AI that does an image search in the first place
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Second, the AI tools I’m referring to take an image as input (for ChatGPT you need a subscription or use a 3rd party tool that uses the paid API). Thus, location would merely aid it in its description and would not dictate it.