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« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2009, 09:26 »
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New laptop from Apple:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary?utm_source=embedded_video

:D


Stupidity has no limits , they made typing few times harder than on regular cell phone , I don't know how could this thing handle shortcuts....  or any work at all.

What did they gain , a giant circle slide where keyboard was once , that keyboard that you need replaced for something that only makes your work painful.

Im sorry but that product is almost useless and born to be a huge failure if it ever comes out in this form.

 


bittersweet

« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2009, 10:15 »
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« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2009, 10:39 »
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Sure, but that's only cause the MAC / graphics / etc sales reps sell MAC's as better / faster / prettier than PC's. It will be hard for a MAC to beat my PC's performance, considering I have a Core 2 Quad 9300 CPU, 4GB DDRII 800Mhz RAM and 2x Gefore 9600 GT 3D cards :)

May be a Mac Pro with two Quad Core Xeon Harpertown CPU, 32 GB DDRII 800MHz and 2x NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5Go?



U can easily use all that with 64x windows , add 2x superior NVIDIA Quadro FX 5800 pack it in lets say coolermaster cosmost that is more quality build and looks better then the macs case.

Then put a decent cooling , and you will have a superior PC for way less $ spent.



« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2009, 10:44 »
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New laptop from Apple:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary?utm_source=embedded_video

:D


Stupidity has no limits , they made typing few times harder than on regular cell phone , I don't know how could this thing handle shortcuts....  or any work at all.

What did they gain , a giant circle slide where keyboard was once , that keyboard that you need replaced for something that only makes your work painful.

Im sorry but that product is almost useless and born to be a huge failure if it ever comes out in this form.
 


Hook, line and sinker :-)

I'm reminded of a post on dpreview about a test shot in a review which featured a shot of the Lord Mayors office in London when some wise spark made a comment on such bad lens distortion, such an earnest follow on ensued, it was almost a shame when the joker had to point out that the building looks like its slanting anyway.



« Reply #105 on: February 02, 2009, 10:46 »
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New laptop from Apple:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary?utm_source=embedded_video

:D


Stupidity has no limits


Yes, this is true.

Hello? This was a parody.


Well, i just watched few seconds , without thinking but..

After they introduced laptops without optical drive nothing from them can surprise me , cause that almost equals this.

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #106 on: February 02, 2009, 10:47 »
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Im sorry but that product is almost useless and born to be a huge failure if it ever comes out in this form.

Duh, hello, this was a JOKE. It's not a real product.
(is it an indication of the average IQ of PC users that so many believe this?)

« Reply #107 on: February 02, 2009, 10:47 »
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Sure, but that's only cause the MAC / graphics / etc sales reps sell MAC's as better / faster / prettier than PC's. It will be hard for a MAC to beat my PC's performance, considering I have a Core 2 Quad 9300 CPU, 4GB DDRII 800Mhz RAM and 2x Gefore 9600 GT 3D cards :)

May be a Mac Pro with two Quad Core Xeon Harpertown CPU, 32 GB DDRII 800MHz and 2x NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5Go?



U can easily use all that with 64x windows , add 2x superior NVIDIA Quadro FX 5800 pack it in lets say coolermaster cosmost that is more quality build and looks better then the macs case.

Then put a decent cooling , and you will have a superior PC for way less $ spent.



Is there room for a wheel?!

« Reply #108 on: February 02, 2009, 15:35 »
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Vladimir the Emperor, I still love my Commodore 64. What am I now? An amateur or a pro?  ;D

The real reason the PC made it is that you can find hacked "free" software for it everywhere, and for Mac that's more difficult.

« Reply #109 on: February 02, 2009, 16:16 »
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Vladimir the Emperor...

Vlad Tepes the Impaler I would say... Dracula if you prefer  ;)

« Reply #110 on: February 02, 2009, 20:46 »
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If I go to the mall, best buy, circuit city .. wherever .. all I see is PC, PC, PC .. I can't remember a single time I walked into a store and saw a Mac. Everytime I get a new laptop I have never messed around doing it. It's always one of those things where we are sitting around and say ... hey let's go upgrade and we jump in the car and go buy a new system. So .. it's always a PC. I've used Macs .. they have lost their Wow factor in the last decade or so in my opinion. If stores would start carrying them I might convert .. but they would have to do some MAJOR MAJOR marketing and inventory because if I walk in the store and have 100 killer PCs to choose from I'm not going to spend much time browsing the 3 killer Macs in the corner. Graphics design ... maybe I would have a different opinion .. I dont know .. I run a photography studio and a up to date PC runs smoothly without problems.
After this thread is over can we please start a Nikon Vs Canon thread? We will get the same opinions ;D

« Reply #111 on: February 02, 2009, 23:02 »
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If I go to the mall, best buy, circuit city

Circuit City filed for bankruptcy.

« Reply #112 on: February 04, 2009, 05:14 »
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The same old story here :P

@All guys saying that having a PC is ok and works great:

What you really forget, as it seems from the posts, is the operating system.
Actually the main thing that makes mac computers more attractive to creative people is not the far-superior design of the machine, but the fact that the software it comes with is ages ahead of the competition. Besides, when a company ships a non-custom computer, can assure you that hardware is fully tested and working great with software, something that M$ simply cannot achieve since they don't know where you are going to put their software.

Finally, is it possible for anyone to find me a way to automate a batch procedure WITHOUT having to spend more money on 3rd party software?

For example, tell me how I can change the colorspace on 15.000 photos, rotate only those that are landscapes, zip them and e-mail them to 5 different email addresses based on their dimensions by JUST dragging them on to a special folder on my desktop on a PC with Vista (or XP) and I am going to set all my macs to flame the very same moment :)


« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2009, 07:37 »
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You can't really compare a MAC to a PC due to the OS. Does the engine in a BMW make it better than a Mercedes? :)

Both Windows & MAC OS can be installed on either. But, since I prefer to use Linux (and FreeBSD, which is what MAC OSX is build on) does that make me inferior? Not at all. My argument was towards the hardware of a MAC, compared to a PC. What OS is on either is irrelevant. Cause the next question would be which graphics program one uses, and if the ones on MAC as superior to any other available (free or commercial, and whether it can work on MAC or not.).


P.S. For what it's worth, I've been working in the IT industry for about 11 years with extensive experience no both. PC's have a lot more benefit than the looks of the box they come in.

« Reply #114 on: February 04, 2009, 08:47 »
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Finally, is it possible for anyone to find me a way to automate a batch procedure WITHOUT having to spend more money on 3rd party software?

The new Irfanview (free) does a lot of that. I'm not sure about the color space but you can write a Photoshop action for it.

« Reply #115 on: February 04, 2009, 09:05 »
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Finally, is it possible for anyone to find me a way to automate a batch procedure WITHOUT having to spend more money on 3rd party software?

The new Irfanview (free) does a lot of that. I'm not sure about the color space but you can write a Photoshop action for it.

Hmm... yes it can do batch processing but not system-wide (operates only on files, cannot send an automated filtered-based email or distribute files to a network for example) :) see my example to understand what I mean....

« Reply #116 on: February 04, 2009, 09:41 »
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Hmm... yes it can do batch processing but not system-wide (operates only on files, cannot send an automated filtered-based email or distribute files to a network for example) :) see my example to understand what I mean....

I read it. In general, I'm a bit reluctant to do complicated steps in batch. I like to see what I'm doing. But you is not me, and if you have to perform that workflow often and you know it works fine on a Mac, it's obvious you use a Mac for it. Time is money. You would probably lose a lot of time switching to a PC and having to go through a steep learning curve to perform the same.

It's the same reasoning as to GIMP, Photoshop and Lightroom. People tell me all the time GIMP can do the same, it's free, and Lightroom is better. Well, I know my way in Photoshop and I won't lose time on learning another workflow to basically just do the same.


« Reply #117 on: February 04, 2009, 09:58 »
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Yes you got right, but... I am actually talking about something that cannot be done if I was on Windows :)

There is absolutely no way to automate the operating system, simply because it doesn't support it!

That is my point and since the topic is concerned about Workflow and Creativity, I just mentioned my "why", I wouldn't like to debate on a theoretical basis :)

So just to recap, in the real world, apple's solution (and especially the OS) is far more superior to competitive products when it comes to Workflow/automation/simplicity etc...

Ps. I have a friend of mine that is actually typing simple text on photoshop just to print it out. Ok, the logic -> Go with what you know is not always right...

« Reply #118 on: February 04, 2009, 10:28 »
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PC's have a lot more benefit than the looks of the box they come in.
Pickup trucks have more benefits than a sports cars.

« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2009, 11:29 »
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There is absolutely no way to automate the operating system, simply because it doesn't support it!
System wide batch has been around as long as there are computers, long before the time of PCs and MACs. IBM had it, DEC had it, Linux still has it. You can do it in Windows too if you really want it, but in command mode. The batch files with commands have the extension "BAT". Never used it after DOS though, so I can't comment on the ease of use under Windows. I can imagine there are batch tools for Windows around in the vast pool of Windows software. Just have a look at Tucows.

Ps. I have a friend of mine that is actually typing simple text on photoshop just to print it out. Ok, the logic -> Go with what you know is not always right...
If it works for him and he only has to do it once in a while, it's right. If the text is with effects, like shadows and bevels, it's the only way as far as I know. If it's simple text, he could use OpenOffice of course. The right tool to nail a spike is a hammer, but if it happens you have no hammer around but a rock and you just need to nail one spike, it's faster to use that rock.

Of course you can lecture that person how much more handy a hammer would be, but by the time you finished your lecture and he ran to the shop for a hammer, he could have nailed in 100 spikes. If he had to nail in 100 spikes every day, a hammer might be a better idea.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 11:32 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #120 on: February 04, 2009, 16:40 »
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There is absolutely no way to automate the operating system, simply because it doesn't support it!
System wide batch has been around as long as there are computers, long before the time of PCs and MACs. IBM had it, DEC had it, Linux still has it. You can do it in Windows too if you really want it, but in command mode. The batch files with commands have the extension "BAT". Never used it after DOS though, so I can't comment on the ease of use under Windows. I can imagine there are batch tools for Windows around in the vast pool of Windows software. Just have a look at Tucows.

Ps. I have a friend of mine that is actually typing simple text on photoshop just to print it out. Ok, the logic -> Go with what you know is not always right...
If it works for him and he only has to do it once in a while, it's right. If the text is with effects, like shadows and bevels, it's the only way as far as I know. If it's simple text, he could use OpenOffice of course. The right tool to nail a spike is a hammer, but if it happens you have no hammer around but a rock and you just need to nail one spike, it's faster to use that rock.

Of course you can lecture that person how much more handy a hammer would be, but by the time you finished your lecture and he ran to the shop for a hammer, he could have nailed in 100 spikes. If he had to nail in 100 spikes every day, a hammer might be a better idea.

You are joking about the BAT files... right?
So if I am getting this right, you recommend to a photographer to have a PC for having the privilege of workflow automation via BAT files???

Come on people, we all know it's true ! Windows are very poor os and linux (although powerful) cannot be used by professionals (I am talking about creative artists right now) for many reasons.

What I am trying to say is that apple is offering the best solution around for artists and this is why you see the majority of them to chose their products. As simple as that :)

Regarding the second part (the one with the rock and the hammer) I respect your opinion, but my point of view is that the time you spend on learning something properly is a major investment you do for your future.

Ps. Personally... I wouldn't trust someone to build my house by nailing spikes with a rock :)


« Reply #121 on: February 05, 2009, 08:54 »
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So if I am getting this right, you recommend to a photographer to have a PC for having the privilege of workflow automation via BAT files???

I didn't recommend anything. It was just an answer to your statement that automatic tasking on the OS level was impossible under Windows. I remember scripting tools around, like the Wise install, and most install packages, but didn't use them after 2002. In general, if there is a need for tasks under Windows, some  guy will have written it, mostly for free.

Come on people, we all know it's true ! Windows are very poor os and linux (although powerful) cannot be used by professionals (I am talking about creative artists right now) for many reasons.

By "we all" you mean "I". Nice to meet a Mac-fundamentalist  :P
I knew it when this thread started  ;D
Well whatever gets your job done is fine. Be happy with your Mac, I'm happy with my PC, since it runs Photoshop well. Peace!

What I am trying to say is that apple is offering the best solution around for artists and this is why you see the majority of them to chose their products. As simple as that :)

Yes, very simple. Isn't life simple for people that stick to their beliefs, unchallenged by facts? One of those facts is that the PC-Windows has 90% of the market. But of course, those Windows-slaves have a very low IQ and they are all terribly misguided by not embracing the true religion of Mac.

As for me, I'm a Mac-infidel. Again, peace! Need to do some work now  ::)  ;D

« Reply #122 on: February 06, 2009, 05:01 »
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:) truth is I really enjoy talking with intelligent people like you FlemishDreams, really.

The reason that my posts seem so hard against Windows is that I truly believe that people should deserve a better OS, especially from a company that holds the greatest share on the market.

No, I don't believe that all these people using windows are of low IQ. I just believe that they are not informed well (for a million reasons that I am not going to explain here - I got a full time job myself you know :) -) about the existence of better products.

As for the System automation issue, I know that it seems "impossible" to not find a software somewhere to do the job, but believe me you cannot! It is matter of system architecture!
For example if the OS is not designed to work with privilege-based-accounts, there is no software that can expand it to do it!
Yes, you can do almost everything on a windows machine, but the reality shows that you will have to spend time and in some cases money, to do the very same thing you could have done on another OS natively. This is my point and not to start a war here :)

Being a personal computer consumer since they appeared on the planet, I must say that paying for some hundred of dollars for windows, at the time that different OSes are superior (and cheaper) is not on my interest.

One last example I can think of is Google. Of course you can search for things in Yahoo and a million other sites, but the 95% of people doesn't. Why?... The answer (for me at least) is pretty simple. They choose google because they can try all of them in about 10' and stick with the best.

Maybe I am a Google fundamentalist too :P
« Last Edit: February 06, 2009, 05:15 by alladinian »

« Reply #123 on: February 06, 2009, 05:58 »
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What is it with pcs and screen fonts?

As a mac user I'm always surprised at how varied the same sites can look on various friends pcs, and now on istock they change a style sheet and all hell breaks out with so many pc users having such different results... why is this?

« Reply #124 on: February 06, 2009, 06:02 »
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This has to do with the rendering engine of the web-browser (ie different browser=different view), you cannot blame pc's for this.
But you can surely blame iStock for poor testing :P
« Last Edit: February 06, 2009, 06:06 by alladinian »


 

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