Quote from: odesigns on February 29, 2024, 08:02

I hear Etsy's algorithm dings listings that get viewed but not purchased.  That's why so many Etsy Youtubers do not reveal their storefronts in their "Look at Me! I made $50K on Etsy!" videos.

Perhaps that's a correct way of thinking, and who knows if some agencies have the same policy.

I know someone who makes a lot of money on Etsy, but on actual physical goods. She just bought a house with her Etsy income.

Not sure if people make money on stock photos on Etsy?

Had a etsy store, never sold anything. Don't even know what you even can sell on there.

Quote from: waitingonthestuff on February 27, 2024, 11:04

Just wondering if people with a higher acceptance ratio find their images higher up the algorithm?

Just a thought

It�s not a higher acceptance rate, but your weekly standings score that pushes your images to clients.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 04, 2024, 12:23

Quote from: Mifornia on March 03, 2024, 22:03

Quote from: waitingonthestuff on February 27, 2024, 11:04

Just wondering if people with a higher acceptance ratio find their images higher up the algorithm?

Just a thought

It�s not a higher acceptance rate, but your weekly standings score that pushes your images to clients.

Weekly Standings mean nothing. They are only for our own information.

Where did you get this information, that they are artist or image rank?

 Because after a successful week all of the sudden old images that I never sold before are somehow visible in searches and get sales. What changes? Definitely not my acceptance rate. If not successful ranking, what do you think it is then?
Do you know how Adobe decides whose images to show in searches?

One of my new Easter bunnies image with 1 sale is on page 3 now. So search is not only based on sales of that particular image or keywords/title -

No.

-Mat Hayward

Hi Everyone,

I've scheduled a webinar with our Senior Product Manager in charge of search this Thursday, February 27 at 2:30PM PST. It would be great if you can attend. We'll do our best to take as many questions as possible during our 45-60 minute conversation about Adobe Stock search. How you can use the tools to your advantage as a contributor at Adobe Stock. I hope to see you there!

https://www.crowdcast.io/e/search-tips-and-tricks

Mat Hayward

Quote from: Mifornia on March 06, 2024, 10:28

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 04, 2024, 12:23

Quote from: Mifornia on March 03, 2024, 22:03

Quote from: waitingonthestuff on February 27, 2024, 11:04

Just wondering if people with a higher acceptance ratio find their images higher up the algorithm?

Just a thought

It�s not a higher acceptance rate, but your weekly standings score that pushes your images to clients.

Weekly Standings mean nothing. They are only for our own information.

Where did you get this information, that they are artist or image rank?

 Because after a successful week all of the sudden old images that I never sold before are somehow visible in searches and get sales. What changes? Definitely not my acceptance rate. If not successful ranking, what do you think it is then?
Do you know how Adobe decides whose images to show in searches?

One of my new Easter bunnies image with 1 sale is on page 3 now. So search is not only based on sales of that particular image or keywords/title -

I don't claim to know how ranking works for the search, sales, or matches, or featured because of the season, but I do know it's NOT based on your artist rank. Did you see what Mat posted?

Quote from: MatHayward on March 04, 2024, 14:14

No.

-Mat Hayward

Did you watch the webinar about image rank and how it works? There were two of them.

After both webinars, here's what I think they have told us. This is after listening to the discussions of all three people from Adobe and making text notes.

In Order...

1) Images initially get ranked by customer response during the first 30 days. Your keywords and title are most important during that time.

2) After 30 days, changing the keywords or order, will not have much effect on image rank, from the customers. There are other factors that still can move an image up or down.

3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

4) Categories are not very important

Repeated many times, and the way I have viewed keywords and titles. Please understand these are paraphrased quotes, not exact word for word. But they represent what Judy and Mat said:

Only use relevant keywords you don't need to have 49 keywords, only the appropriate keywords.  "If you were looking for this image, would you use this word to find it?" "If you searched a word, would you expect to see this image?"

"Is this something I'd expect to see for this search term."

If customers are looking at images and they are not a good match for the words included, the rank will be dropped. Anyone who includes words that are not relevant, will be hurting the image rank, and that rank will be attached to that image, pretty much fixed at that rank, after 30 days.

Watch Please? This comes from Adobe not someone who just thinks they see something. Adobe Stock search

Quote from: MatHayward on February 23, 2020, 12:15

Hi Everyone,

I've scheduled a webinar with our Senior Product Manager in charge of search this Thursday, February 27 at 2:30PM PST. It would be great if you can attend. We'll do our best to take as many questions as possible during our 45-60 minute conversation about Adobe Stock search. How you can use the tools to your advantage as a contributor at Adobe Stock. I hope to see you there!

https://www.crowdcast.io/e/search-tips-and-tricks

Mat Hayward

Quote from: Andrej.S. on March 07, 2024, 03:22

Thank you for the information.

What does customers response mean?
How many customers how often viewed the image with the same searched keyword order of the image during the first 30 days?

It's currently a dumb thing.
They should replace the algorithm by letting the AI identify and describe the images and their content, so the customers could search more precisly.

/Edit:
Well probably the algorithm will remain a business secret.

Found various statements.

On the offical blog it is stated that titles are not used for rankings.
https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2019/06/18/stock-keywording-tips)

On the developer blog it is stated that they already use AI since several years to increase the variety of search results.
https://blog.developer.adobe.com/evaluating-addressing-position-bias-in-adobe-stock-search-9807b11ee268

You are welcome and thanks for the additional.

"Do not spam keywords � irrelevant keywords can actually hurt your visibility on the Stock site."

The whole article about position bias was interesting. Yes, Titles are not searchable in Adobe Stock.

I assume you mean the same thing when you say image rank as search discovery? But not searchable means much more. If you have a word in the title and not in the keywords, it's not going to be seen in a search for that word. Which images come up on the first pages, is something different.

"What does customers response mean?" yet another mystery in the secret system that determines image rank. We don't know, they aren't telling. No agency gives up their "secret sauce" recipe. The assumption that it's views and sales, or how many related word matches, is like saying, to make soup, you need to add water.

Everything after the basics is what makes the search what it is. Those basic starters aren't the intricate and complex answer. 12-13 years ago, you could pretty much see that IS and SS were based on the time on the system divided by sales. On IS a new image with one day and one sale, would leap to the front. Then after a week, no more sales, it would start to drop and after a month, if no more downloads, would fall back in the general pages.

SS until they fixed the search (a view depending on who you are) to avoid some of the bias, someone who had an image up since the first years of SS, with lots of downloads, would be on page one, and the rest of us,could get into that page. Kind of a king of the hill situation, where top images, stayed on top, and got more downloads, because they were on top.

Sometime years back, they changed everything, you might find the threads about how "I've been on page one for years and now I'm on page 12!" That's life. The favorites with an unfair advantage, got adjusted.

The search changes, or can, by location, season, specific keywords, simple one would be, St. Patrick's Day will be higher now and Easter will get a priority. In a month, they will drop down and some other events or holidays will be raised and favored. Everything is always changing, so how would someone know what it is? 

Quote from: ADH on March 06, 2024, 15:48

If you go to church every day and pray that your images move high up of the algorithm they will eventually rise. If you pray, you will be listened. That's what I was told since I was a child.

Yes, I admit, I think that's intended as humor and it's also true. Since we have no control, we can pray, or burn incense, or sacrifice chocolate chip cookies to our inner sales hunger. The answer is, best keywords, best images, upload quality with proper tags, sit back and hope for the best. Worrying, conspiracies, trying to play the system, and many other side efforts, are mostly useless and a waste of time and energy.

Quote from: Andrej.S. on March 09, 2024, 03:36

You are absolutely right, I didn't even take seosonal search patterns into account.

These will certainly also influence the image rankings.

I think it's a shame that Adobe doesn't show the daily top 100 or at least top 20 search pattern like google does it in the search bar.
Or top searches of the week, month, etc.
Would be very useful and you would save a lot of time instead of trying out which content is in demand or only guessing if you have the right keywords.

Seasonal patterns created by the agency favoring seasonal topics, not just us or buyers searching.

Alamy measures tells you the data you want about customer searches. I don't know why that wouldn't be helpful for all agencies?  https://www.alamy.com/Customersearch/Customersearchhistory.aspx

That is, if you believe it's actually helpful. My opinion is, most searched words, doesn't equal most sold image subjects. Some of the most searched words from people who study what's most common, are irrelevant and absurd. Most searched words just doesn't equal most sold photo subjects.

Most sold images, doesn't always mean the same will be most sold in the near future. Maybe yes, but not always. Trends are yes, images, by specific subjects, not so much.

Create your best, look for things that aren't common or over produced, if you do shoot something that's "popular" try to make yours better than anything else available or at least worthy of the best of the best. Most searched words isn't the answer to anything useful.

You could spend less time trying to trick the search and take better pictures.

Quote from: Andrej.S. on March 11, 2024, 03:54

Yes, it doesn't seem to be as easy as you might think at the first glance.

I found one "study" with analyse of the keywords and other factors of the 10,000 bestsellers on SS:
https://xpiksapp.com/blog/microstock-keywording-analysis/

There are some interesting insights, some no-brainer but aswell some patterns you would not think about.
Probably one should focus more on low-competition keywords by using more verbs and adjectives and less nouns.
Aswell one should probably try more 2-word keywords.

https://xpiksapp.com/blog/keywording-files-for-microstock/

Another interesting aspect to think about is using various image descriptions and keywords instead of the same ones for series, since then images would not compete against each other.
Aswell not using too generic keywords.

I wonder if updating the keywords to current new trends would lead to a better visibility / rankings and more sells or if the ranking is already "fixed" within the time.

You could spend less time trying to trick the search and take better pictures.

Quote from: synthetick on March 11, 2024, 06:40

Quote from: Year of the Dog on March 11, 2024, 06:12

You could spend less time trying to trick the search and take better pictures.

But surely even great images will fail without a mastery of keywording? I think they both need to go hand in hand.

I think that only the author's rating affects the number of views. Adobe promotes top authors, and it doesn�t matter what tags these authors write.