Author Topic: forget it (Read 2849 times)

eliaspraciano · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2022, 08:29 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 08, 2022, 08:20

Here is a breakdown:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60644832
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-military-symbol-z-b2030514.html.

And now Shutterstock:
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/moscow-russia-february-28-2022-flags-2130901643
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/collection-flags-russian-z-o-v-2132507675
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/war-between-russia-ukraine-z-sign-2132628223
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/white-z-sign-on-background-russian-2131819743
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/russian-z-military-symbol-armed-forces-2132507683

...and on and on. Just do a search for Z Russia or similar.

If you will write something about Russia, even if it is against them, you will probably need those images.

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Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2022, 08:33 »

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2022, 09:46 »

They went for half of a swastika instead of the full of it.
Copyright concerns maybe? 🤔

Lizard · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:02 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 09:46

They went for half of a swastika instead of the full of it.
Copyright concerns maybe? 🤔

Every cattle has its pot:

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:13 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 09:46

They went for half of a swastika instead of the full of it.
Copyright concerns maybe? 🤔

I deleted the post because I think there's enough threads and we aren't really getting anywhere. But, yes, Russia has a much bigger Neo Nazi problem than Ukraine. IGPR “ZOV" is one of their extermist groups:

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/collection-flags-russian-z-o-v-2132507675

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement
Ref. 2

The “Z” is more a general pro Russian propaganda thing. So ultra-nationalist and pro ethno-state like Putin himself but not explicitly NeoNazi. Either way Russian propaganda. I also made a post explaining why many of these images have zero value as legitimate editorial images but again, probably not worth opening up another can of worms.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:24 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 10:02

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 09:46
They went for half of a swastika instead of the full of it.
Copyright concerns maybe? 🤔

Every cattle has its pot:

Yes, Ukrainian NeoNazis are also scum. They are also not the government of the Ukraine and have nothing to do with the real reasons Putin invaded. They are politically completely marginalised (unlike in Russia). They got like 2% of the vote if that (don’t have the number to hand). War only gives more power to these kinds of people anyway. Putin's attack will no doubt make them more popular as a war anywhere would tend to do with this kind of extremist group.

I can't fathom how your mind works. It is possible to not like two things at the same time. How do you see innocent people being attacked and your first impulse is to try and justify it or point the finger at something else not relevant to the situation?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:27 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 08, 2022, 10:24

I can't fathom how your mind works.

I said it so many times: #whataboutism

Lizard · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:46 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 08, 2022, 10:24

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 10:02
Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 09:46
They went for half of a swastika instead of the full of it.
Copyright concerns maybe? 🤔

Every cattle has its pot:

Yes, Ukrainian NeoNazis are also scum. They are also not the government of the Ukraine and have nothing to do with the real reasons Putin invaded. They are politically completely marginalised (unlike in Russia). They got like 2% of the vote if that (don’t have the number to hand). War only gives more power to these kinds of people anyway. Putin's attack will no doubt make them more popular as a war anywhere would tend to do with this kind of extremist group.

I can't fathom how your mind works. It is possible to not like two things at the same time. How do you see innocent people being attacked and your first impulse is to try and justify it or point the finger at something else not relevant to the situation?

Once again, Azov brigade is incorporated into National Guard and members are being financed from national budget. Whats a better argument to give a psycho in his agenda ?

Just to be clear, anyone signing orders to attack civilians should rotten in prison until death. Any individual acting under such order should face the same faith.

And at the same time, anyone that spreads the fire during peace time should also face the same.

Like this 2 for example coming to spread fires in others peoples countries and:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvt3asiSc8A

They should be locked in the same cell with Putin, and all people like them.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:59 »

Azov got their power/ formed because Putin attacked in 2014. They were one of the first groups to volunteer and go to fight. Taking them into the National Guard was an attempt to de-Nazify them. What was the alternative in a war-time situation which is still ongoing? Wars are ugly and messy and give power to the worst people. That is why they need to be avoided at (nearly) all costs.

They have their mirrors fighting on the other side in the Donbas and financed by Putin. The RIM’s Imperial Legion, Union of the Russian People, For Faith and Fatherland etc. All committing atrocities, some of them with dozens of offices and open training camps in Russia. If you look into their ideologies you can clearly see the dog whistles in Putin’s speeches referencing Russia’s great imperial past.

None of this good, all of it is easily explained given the situation. It doesn’t have anything to do with Putin’s imperial pursuit of the Ukraine and its resources (other than being fuelled/ created by it and his using it for propaganda).

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2022, 11:53 »

The equilateral cross with legs bent at right angles – that looks like swirling arms or a pattern of L shapes – has been a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism for centuries.
The Navajos, Tibetans and Turks incorporated the swastika into their rugs. Arizona's indigenous Pima and Maricopa people wove them into their baskets and painted them onto their pots.
The swastika is derived from Sanskrit word “Swasti” meaning may all be well with you.
In Chinese and Japanese art, the swastika is often found as part of a repeating pattern.
By the early 20th century, it was used worldwide and was regarded as a symbol of good luck and success.

Just like everyone has become politically correct and has no sense of humor anymore. The Swastika has lost it's historic, ancient meaning and religious significance, because of one evil dictator and his politics, using the same symbol.

may all be well with you

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2022, 11:57 »

This is very good on the subject:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin-ukraine-attack-antisemitism-denazify

Lizard · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2022, 12:10 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 08, 2022, 10:59

Azov got their power/ formed because Putin attacked in 2014. They were one of the first groups to volunteer and go to fight. Taking them into the National Guard was an attempt to de-Nazify them. What was the alternative in a war-time situation which is still ongoing? Wars are ugly and messy and give power to the worst people. That is why they need to be avoided at (nearly) all costs.

They have their mirrors fighting on the other side in the Donbas and financed by Putin. The RIM’s Imperial Legion, Union of the Russian People, For Faith and Fatherland etc. All committing atrocities, some of them with dozens of offices and open training camps in Russia. If you look into their ideologies you can clearly see the dog whistles in Putin’s speeches referencing Russia’s great imperial past.

None of this good, all of it is easily explained given the situation. It doesn’t have anything to do with Putin’s imperial pursuit of the Ukraine and its resources (other than being fuelled/ created by it and his using it for propaganda).

Are you serious ? Man, you can get in trouble for missing a button on your uniform in the army and they are letting people with painted swastikas on their helmets to line on serious events. They are probably into Buddhism right ? So what do you do to stop it ? Not only to legalize it but make it part of authority and let those people patrol around on a payment. Common. So the best thing to destroy KKK would be to give them payments, authority and let them patrol around.

That kind of people are useful when you need an idiot to send him to dig some s..t, and then the other side send their idiots, then media cover that in an abstract way, then the other side media cover that in their abstract way and then you have a war. Been there, saw that...for years.

A guy with a room full of arms with a body covered in n.zi symbol tattoos is a psycho who just waits his moment. Not just there...anywhere.