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« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2012, 06:09 »
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2. This common sense approach to uploading doesn't explain the sudden cliff we all fell off a few months ago at FT, unless FT just rolled out this "constant uploading" algo recently.  I suspect there's something else that would account for many of us (especially Emeralds) getting knocked down all at once.

Agreed.  I can't imagine what's at work to explain why my earnings have dropped 80%...yes, 80%...since March.   :o


wut

« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2012, 11:21 »
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but FT and DT had been my #2 and #4 earners, so they're holding me pretty flat overall.  Very frustrating, since it's not from a lack of uploading, I assure you.

I wouldn't worry at all if I earned as much as you, if my earnings flatlined (as in stay at the same level, not die) :) . After all you're not Charlie Sheen, you just can't keep on winning all the time ;D

« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2012, 11:37 »
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In fact, I have been steadily uploading like clockwork for pretty much four years, and my earnings charts for FT (and DT) look like a steady climb up a mountain, then all of a sudden falling into a valley a few months ago.  

Same here.
uploading like clockwork for pretty much seven years. and sudden falling into a valley.
They are not telling us the truth!

« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2012, 11:46 »
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In fact, I have been steadily uploading like clockwork for pretty much four years, and my earnings charts for FT (and DT) look like a steady climb up a mountain, then all of a sudden falling into a valley a few months ago.  

Same here.
uploading like clockwork for pretty much seven years. and sudden falling into a valley.
They are not telling us the truth!

I havent said that, you have wrongly quoted

Lagereek

« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2012, 11:48 »
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Well the FT, search is OK, no changes there. Might be a selective few earning all the dosh or a general lack of buyers. It is strange though because sales have really slumped.

« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2012, 12:10 »
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Thanks for digging this up and posting it here, Luis... but I have two reactions to his findings...

1. Duh.  I've always considered it to be common sense that you have to keep uploading to maintain a decent exposure level, not just at FT but everywhere.

2. This common sense approach to uploading doesn't explain the sudden cliff we all fell off a few months ago at FT, unless FT just rolled out this "constant uploading" algo recently.  I suspect there's something else that would account for many of us (especially Emeralds) getting knocked down all at once.  In fact, I have been steadily uploading like clockwork for pretty much four years, and my earnings charts for FT (and DT) look like a steady climb up a mountain, then all of a sudden falling into a valley a few months ago.   At all the other sites, my trendlines look like pretty consistent upward arrows... but FT and DT had been my #2 and #4 earners, so they're holding me pretty flat overall.  Very frustrating, since it's not from a lack of uploading, I assure you.

I actually find most agencies are fairly stable without uploading new files. I'm coming up on two years without uploading to many of them and most of the earnings are pretty steady month to month. They haven't decreased all that much either from when I was regularly uploading to them.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2012, 17:25 »
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DT is causing me to delete images at FT.  Uploading just doesn't make sense when a credit sale is 20 cents and subscription is 25 cents.  The killer is when a DT Level 4 images sells on FT for 20 cents.
Therefore, every time FT sells an image for 20 cents, I check it at DT.  If it is an upper level image (3 or above), it gets deleted at FT.

Maybe that is why my already discouraging activity at FT has completely ceased to exist. 
So Be It.   ::)  :(

« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2012, 18:33 »
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Warren let agencies delete your pictures, dont do it unless you are going to drop them in a near future ;)

WarrenPrice

« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2012, 18:37 »
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Warren let agencies delete your pictures, dont do it unless you are going to drop them in a near future ;)

You may have missed the point, Luis.  I do NOT want FT selling THAT picture.  I might even go back and make it exclusive at DT. 
Maybe Not.  It sells pretty good on SS too.   ??? ::)  :-\

« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2012, 18:48 »
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Warren let agencies delete your pictures, dont do it unless you are going to drop them in a near future ;)

You may have missed the point, Luis.  I do NOT want FT selling THAT picture.  I might even go back and make it exclusive at DT. 
Maybe Not.  It sells pretty good on SS too.   ??? ::)  :-\

I dont have an exclusive picture and I believe never will.. DT is showing that after a BME with a month remembering 2009 ;D

« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2012, 18:48 »
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for the ones that dont read that often on FT forum take a look at the following link:
http://www.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=579103
...There is some sort of algorithm that prioritizes contributors that upload more frequently.


This is key bit of information. I have stopped submitting for several weeks and my sales everywhere have been pretty normal (for June), with one exception: Fotolia. There, sales fell off a cliff. My 7-Day rank suddenly (over a few days) dropped over 150 positions. Nothing remotely like this has happened to me there before. And I, as is said, all other sites are normal.

Yesterday I submitted five images and my FT sales jumped back up to almost normal.

Fololia's algorithm must kick in after a certain number of days of not submitting, and move your search engine results way, way back. Something to keep in mind.

« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2012, 19:02 »
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for the ones that dont read that often on FT forum take a look at the following link:
http://www.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=579103
...There is some sort of algorithm that prioritizes contributors that upload more frequently.


This is key bit of information. I have stopped submitting for several weeks and my sales everywhere have been pretty normal (for June), with one exception: Fotolia. There, sales fell off a cliff. My 7-Day rank suddenly (over a few days) dropped over 150 positions. Nothing remotely like this has happened to me there before. And I, as is said, all other sites are normal.

Yesterday I submitted five images and my FT sales jumped back up to almost normal.

Fololia's algorithm must kick in after a certain number of days of not submitting, and move your search engine results way, way back. Something to keep in mind.


we have around the same number of new files in the last 6 months and I havent felt any down on sales, they have been climbing since first month, that said I am only silver with 150 to 200 sales per month, I believe it has something related to ranking too

wut

« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2012, 19:04 »
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Warren let agencies delete your pictures, dont do it unless you are going to drop them in a near future ;)

You may have missed the point, Luis.  I do NOT want FT selling THAT picture.  I might even go back and make it exclusive at DT. 
Maybe Not.  It sells pretty good on SS too.   ??? ::)  :-\

That's exactly what I've come to a few days ago. It would disgust me to sell photos for peanuts on sites with no volume. So since I stopped ULing to DT over a month ago (to keep my options regarding exclusivity open and sales fell off a cliff anyway, so no harm done) there's no other option than SS, IS and FT (yes low prices, but at least half decent volume).

Lagereek

« Reply #88 on: June 27, 2012, 01:40 »
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for the ones that dont read that often on FT forum take a look at the following link:
http://www.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=579103
...There is some sort of algorithm that prioritizes contributors that upload more frequently.


This is key bit of information. I have stopped submitting for several weeks and my sales everywhere have been pretty normal (for June), with one exception: Fotolia. There, sales fell off a cliff. My 7-Day rank suddenly (over a few days) dropped over 150 positions. Nothing remotely like this has happened to me there before. And I, as is said, all other sites are normal.

Yesterday I submitted five images and my FT sales jumped back up to almost normal.

Fololia's algorithm must kick in after a certain number of days of not submitting, and move your search engine results way, way back. Something to keep in mind.


Dont know how you work that out?  I uploaded about 20 images to FT, and still stuck in the bogghouse, as far as sales, that is.

lisafx

« Reply #89 on: June 27, 2012, 12:07 »
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for the ones that dont read that often on FT forum take a look at the following link:
http://www.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=579103

Hi guys,

There have been a lot of posts about sales trends changing for contributors so I did some poking around and got confirmation on something I think most of you will find interesting.

In order to maintain priority placement in the database you do need to consistently upload and submit images.  The more you submit the better your chances of visibility.  If it's been several months (or years) since your last upload there is a good chance that the sales of your existing images will taper off as they will be pushed back deeper in the search.  There is some sort of algorithm that prioritizes contributors that upload more frequently.

What that means is that you cannot expect to passively succeed.  You need to constantly work on your images and uploading.  The harder you work, the greater your success.  I have noticed this in my portfolio here and it's my intent to get off my butt and start shooting more and shooting better.

Good luck and happy shooting!

Mat

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Thanks for posting this Luis! It may partially explain my downfall.  I had been uploading weekly for years, but then took 6 months off when remodeling my studio and office.  Been uploading regularly again since April, but apparently that hasn't been enough to get my sales back on track.  Hopefully if I keep uploading they will recover in time....?
« Last Edit: June 27, 2012, 12:11 by lisafx »

« Reply #90 on: June 27, 2012, 12:24 »
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In order to maintain priority placement in the database you do need to consistently upload and submit images.  The more you submit the better your chances of visibility.  

So they want just quantity, not quality? They seem to get more stupid every minute.

lisafx

« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2012, 12:27 »
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In order to maintain priority placement in the database you do need to consistently upload and submit images.  The more you submit the better your chances of visibility.  

So they want just quantity, not quality? They seem to get more stupid every minute.

Seems like a good argument for spacing out downloads and doing a few each week instead of doing them in large batches...


Lagereek

« Reply #92 on: June 27, 2012, 13:01 »
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In order to maintain priority placement in the database you do need to consistently upload and submit images.  The more you submit the better your chances of visibility.  

So they want just quantity, not quality? They seem to get more stupid every minute.

Seems like a good argument for spacing out downloads and doing a few each week instead of doing them in large batches...

Not too sure it works that way? if it does I certainly space them. Blimey, one has to be some sort of a half-assed guru nowdays, all sorts of skullduggery and shadey stuff going on. ::)

lisafx

« Reply #93 on: June 27, 2012, 16:31 »
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Blimey, one has to be some sort of a half-assed guru nowdays, all sorts of skullduggery and shadey stuff going on. ::)

So true!!  Wish I was the type to just shoot, upload and forget, instead of worrying about the details of what site's doing what to whom.  :P

« Reply #94 on: June 27, 2012, 18:18 »
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Blimey, one has to be some sort of a half-assed guru nowdays, all sorts of skullduggery and shadey stuff going on. ::)

So true!!  Wish I was the type to just shoot, upload and forget, instead of worrying about the details of what site's doing what to whom.  :P

Yes, it's all turned into a big strategy. Let's see, at site A, upload 4 images today, but no more until the new moon. At site B, upload 20 today, but not similars. Space those out over 4 months or when the next solar flare occurs. That way you have a chance of them sliding through. And never upload on a full stomach. The server will NOT accept your images at all if you do.

It's getting that ridiculous!

« Reply #95 on: June 27, 2012, 20:03 »
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Yes, it's all turned into a big strategy. Let's see, at site A, upload 4 images today, but no more until the new moon. At site B, upload 20 today, but not similars. Space those out over 4 months or when the next solar flare occurs. That way you have a chance of them sliding through. And never upload on a full stomach. The server will NOT accept your images at all if you do.

It's getting that ridiculous!

LOL. I used to do that. I would create a backlog of several series of images, then mix them together in desktop folders for small batches that I would upload slowly over time. It worked pretty well until iStock went crazy, and I decided I needed to reevaluate who I do business with.

lisafx

« Reply #96 on: June 27, 2012, 22:39 »
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Yes, it's all turned into a big strategy. Let's see, at site A, upload 4 images today, but no more until the new moon. At site B, upload 20 today, but not similars. Space those out over 4 months or when the next solar flare occurs. That way you have a chance of them sliding through. And never upload on a full stomach. The server will NOT accept your images at all if you do.

It's getting that ridiculous!

LOL!  That's EXACTLY how it feels ;D

Not at all conducive to the creative process...

Lagereek

« Reply #97 on: June 28, 2012, 01:10 »
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Blimey, one has to be some sort of a half-assed guru nowdays, all sorts of skullduggery and shadey stuff going on. ::)

So true!!  Wish I was the type to just shoot, upload and forget, instead of worrying about the details of what site's doing what to whom.  :P

Yes, it's all turned into a big strategy. Let's see, at site A, upload 4 images today, but no more until the new moon. At site B, upload 20 today, but not similars. Space those out over 4 months or when the next solar flare occurs. That way you have a chance of them sliding through. And never upload on a full stomach. The server will NOT accept your images at all if you do.

It's getting that ridiculous!

Well yes, youre not far off actually! its turned into a wheeling and dealing game, watching your back so nobody puts a dagger between your shoulderblades. Totally and utterly ludicrous.

RacePhoto

« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2012, 14:50 »
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Getting?  ;D

Don't forget day of the week on SS and feed the beast. New image honeymoon boost, which became irrelevant at about 10 million images.

For those finding their sales suddenly dropping through the floor I have this one bit of information to consider. It's June! Maybe not the worst month of the year, but positively not the best.

6th worst according to the open forum poll, (tied at one vote) maybe some people want to change their vote?

http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/what%27s-the-worst-month-of-the-year-for-sales-based-on-income/

Rank currently:

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Blimey, one has to be some sort of a half-assed guru nowdays, all sorts of skullduggery and shadey stuff going on. ::)


So true!!  Wish I was the type to just shoot, upload and forget, instead of worrying about the details of what site's doing what to whom.  :P


Yes, it's all turned into a big strategy. Let's see, at site A, upload 4 images today, but no more until the new moon. At site B, upload 20 today, but not similars. Space those out over 4 months or when the next solar flare occurs. That way you have a chance of them sliding through. And never upload on a full stomach. The server will NOT accept your images at all if you do.

It's getting that ridiculous!

« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2012, 10:24 »
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IS down down
SS up
123RF up up
FT =
DT down


 

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