Author Topic: Editorial shots - where to put them? (Read 6990 times)

Alfa156Melb · « **on:** September 13, 2015, 18:29 »

Ok so yesterday I squeezed of a couple of hundred shots of a stunt motorbike rider doing a show at a car show. The guy was amazing - as a rider myself, he did things that defy physics.. it was a great day...

The focus gods were looking down on me because I have an extraordinary number of tack sharp images

Not sure what went wrong there, but I'll take it!

Anyway, given the show was in a regional town, and not really newsworthy, I don't expect to make much on them but I'd like to maximize my return as much as possible.

I'm drawn to uploading them to Alamy because I prefer their pricing model, but that prevents me from uploading anywhere else.

So I'm looking for advice here - I upload to SS, DT, CanStock, iStock, 123RF, Alamy, Yay and others but they don't accept editorial.

To get the best return, should I just upload to Alamy, or alternatively, all the others? Who's the best for Editorial?

ShadySue · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2015, 18:35 »

I have no way of knowing where these might sell best; but for iStock, you'd need to have permission to be selling shots from the event.
Also check out what's there under motorbike stunt 'creative' to see what they have which is released.

Bear in mind that with Alamy, the 'pricing model' doesn't always bear any relationship to the actual price paid, as there are loads of people with enormous discounts. This has nothing to do with the quality or rarity of the image. But you can get lucky.

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2015, 19:23 »

Quote from: Alfa156Melb on September 13, 2015, 18:29

Ok so yesterday I squeezed of a couple of hundred shots of a stunt motorbike rider doing a show at a car show. The guy was amazing - as a rider myself, he did things that defy physics.. it was a great day...

The focus gods were looking down on me because I have an extraordinary number of tack sharp images Not sure what went wrong there, but I'll take it!

Anyway, given the show was in a regional town, and not really newsworthy, I don't expect to make much on them but I'd like to maximize my return as much as possible.

I'm drawn to uploading them to Alamy because I prefer their pricing model, but that prevents me from uploading anywhere else.

So I'm looking for advice here - I upload to SS, DT, CanStock, iStock, 123RF, Alamy, Yay and others but they don't accept editorial.

To get the best return, should I just upload to Alamy, or alternatively, all the others? Who's the best for Editorial?

SS and IS don't? http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/announcing-shutterstocks-new-editorial-guidelines

Alfa156Melb · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2015, 19:28 »

Yes SS and IS accept editorial along with the others i listed. I mentioned i uploaded to more agencies, but that those agencies DON't accept.. so i didn't list them.

In hindsight, it was a redundant comment...

Anyway, thanks Shady, I'm doing some research into IS creative and editorial now. I understand that the prices are all over the place on Alamy. I'm really asking - which is the 'go to' agency for editorial images in general?

sharpshot · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2015, 05:06 »

I put all mine on alamy, they might not sell for a year or more but when they do, they can make more than hundreds of downloads with the micros.

wds · « **Reply #5 on:** September 14, 2015, 11:52 »

Quote from: sharpshot on September 14, 2015, 05:06

I put all mine on alamy, they might not sell for a year or more but when they do, they can make more than hundreds of downloads with the micros.

Does alamy require exclusivity for editorial work?

wordplanet · « **Reply #6 on:** September 14, 2015, 12:01 »

I've had lots of editorial sales on SS and find that one sale on Alamy a year or more later will equal many on the micros. When I've had a variety of shots from an event I've put some RF on the micros and some very different ones RM on Alamy - did it as a test a few years ago and made about the same with lots of sales on SS and one on Alamy - so now I tend to just upload to Alamy - particularly if I can get them in time for Live News (within 48hrs - but remember they're on GMT so it's already a day later there if you're in the US and are uploading after 4-7 PM at night, depending upon your location. The Live News is best for UK stuff but they are pushing US content and their News division seems to be growing.

Alamy doesn't require exclusivity but editorial photos there are RM unless you have model releases which is unlikely, and on the micros everything is RF so IMHO you'd need to have very different photos from the same event in order to split them.

Good luck - sounds like a fun shoot!

Alfa156Melb · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2015, 02:42 »

Well I ended up sending them to SS, DT, IS, BS, Pond5 and YayMicro...

Ended up with 52 that I thought worth using. 100% acceptance with all the agencies.. they must have been distracted or something

So it will be interesting to see how they go.

Next time i shoot a similar event, I'll upload to Alamy only and compare.

Thanks for the feedback!

ShadySue · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2015, 03:13 »

Wow! iS acepted them all!
I've still got an outstanding Scout ticket from mid-June (sic!) for an editorial file they want permission for. I wrote on the description that it was a free-to-enter event in a public park.
Good luck with sales.

Alfa156Melb · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2015, 04:04 »

Quote from: ShadySue on September 15, 2015, 03:13

Wow! iS acepted them all!

I know?! lol They must have been smoking something they shouldn't have. But I'm not complaining.

Although I'm more surprised about SS to be honest.

wordplanet · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2015, 16:40 »

Sounds like a good plan - congrats on the acceptance. Shooting a similar event and comparing sounds like a good idea - Alamy though sometimes has a long tail so you may need to wait a couple of years to make a fair comparison.

The thing that makes uploading the kinds of images you just took worthwhile is that they can sell later for secondary editorial so I can see why the agencies took so many of them. Pop in here on occasion and let us know how they are selling.

Alfa156Melb · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2015, 17:12 »

Quote from: wordplanet on September 15, 2015, 16:40

Sounds like a good plan - congrats on the acceptance. Shooting a similar event and comparing sounds like a good idea - Alamy though sometimes has a long tail so you may need to wait a couple of years to make a fair comparison.

The thing that makes uploading the kinds of images you just took worthwhile is that they can sell later for secondary editorial so I can see why the agencies took so many of them. Pop in here on occasion and let us know how they are selling.

Yep no worries

none have sold yet. Hang on let me check again... nope, still no sales.

So here's a thing.. SS accepted all 52 of my stunt photos.. but the stunt show was held at an open (and free to enter) car show - it was one of the attractions. Most of the cars were old american heaps so the show was mediocre but I took some OK shots and uploaded ten of them to SS.

All ten were rejected because I didn't have press credentials lol...

So they accept images of the professional stunt rider who does this for a living and performs all over the planet with all his flashy KTM sponsorship and stuff, but not the locals who parked their cars on the grass

Maybe I'll upload them again.. usually SS accepts the second time round!

All the other agencies accepted the car shots.. SS was the odd one out.

I just checked again... still nothing! Maybe if I stop checking, sales will start rolling in lol

Anyway, I'll keep you posted.

wordplanet · « **Reply #12 on:** September 15, 2015, 20:47 »

SS and Alamy News can both help you get press credentials - with SS thru On the Red Carpet you have to give them the files exclusively for 2 years then can add them to other micros after the two years expire - with Alamy News they go online as RM.

I shoot for various magazines and newspapers but when I don't have an assignment and want to attend an interesting event, they have often come through for me.

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #13 on:** September 15, 2015, 22:13 »

Quote from: ShadySue on September 15, 2015, 03:13

Wow! iS acepted them all!
I've still got an outstanding Scout ticket from mid-June (sic!) for an editorial file they want permission for. I wrote on the description that it was a free-to-enter event in a public park.
Good luck with sales.

I have one from July for Executive Review. This is a blind dump just like Scout. They don't answer or if they do, IS gives some non-answer. Just like some store that's going out of business, they have the fancy signs in front, but there's no inventory behind it. I think the staff has been gutted down to minimum. A bunch of yes people who are biding their time, getting paid to not make waves or do anything creative or admit that they are pawns of Getty.

Support is a false front, don't wait for an answer, IS is either dead or ignoring us. Empty promises.

Alfa156Melb · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2015, 22:50 »

Quote from: wordplanet on September 15, 2015, 20:47

SS and Alamy News can both help you get press credentials - with SS thru On the Red Carpet you have to give them the files exclusively for 2 years then can add them to other micros after the two years expire - with Alamy News they go online as RM.

I shoot for various magazines and newspapers but when I don't have an assignment and want to attend an interesting event, they have often come through for me.

OK I'll check it out - thanks!

Mind you I never thought I'd need a press pass to shoot some snaps of a mediocre car show... live and learn!

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #15 on:** September 16, 2015, 21:57 »

Quote from: wordplanet on September 15, 2015, 20:47

SS and Alamy News can both help you get press credentials - with SS thru On the Red Carpet you have to give them the files exclusively for 2 years then can add them to other micros after the two years expire - with Alamy News they go online as RM.

I shoot for various magazines and newspapers but when I don't have an assignment and want to attend an interesting event, they have often come through for me.

Honest? How do I apply for Red Carpet with SS? Have you tried since August?

wordplanet · « **Reply #16 on:** September 16, 2015, 22:59 »

Scroll to the bottom of your home page under "Promotion" you'll see "On the Red Carpet" and you click on that and fill out the application. If I shared a link it would have my name and contact info filled in but it's easy to find.

It's been some years since I went that route - I mostly use my own contacts or get a letter from Alamy News if I don't have a pending or potential assignment. But shutterstock's program is still around. They were great to deal with.

Alfa156Melb · « **Reply #17 on:** September 17, 2015, 00:02 »

Quote from: wordplanet on September 16, 2015, 22:59

Scroll to the bottom of your home page under "Promotion" you'll see "On the Red Carpet" and you click on that and fill out the application. If I shared a link it would have my name and contact info filled in but it's easy to find.

It's been some years since I went that route - I mostly use my own contacts or get a letter from Alamy News if I don't have a pending or potential assignment. But shutterstock's program is still around. They were great to deal with.

I'm sorry for being a noob, but this letter from Alamy - it appears I have access to upload to news but this letter, how do you get it? Just email or have I missed something on their website?

noodle · « **Reply #18 on:** September 17, 2015, 11:59 »

The red carpet program on SS has been given the kibosh

For all intents and purposes, it was pretty useless anyways.

wordplanet · « **Reply #19 on:** September 17, 2015, 16:33 »

Sorry, On the Red Carpet still shows up on their website so I assumed it was still around. I didn't mean to send you off on a fool's errand.

With Alamy News there is no formal program. You have to email them. I shoot for a lot of magazines and newspapers so the first time, I just reached out to them when I found an event that I thought would be great for my stock photo portfolio on Alamy, but not something that my usual clients would be interested in. Usually I do the legwork by reaching out to the PR folks for the event and then get a letter/email from Alamy confirming that I shoot for them if the PR folks require it (have done this a couple of times). They (the PR folks) usually want a list of publications that your work has been in. It's pretty standard practice, I think, or at least in my experience. Hope this helps. With On the Red Carpet they contacted the event people and did just about everything for me. This was back in 2008-2009 when SS was a lot smaller.

The people at Alamy News are very nice to deal with. Contact them and see how it goes.

Alfa156Melb · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2015, 19:51 »

Quote from: wordplanet on September 17, 2015, 16:33

Sorry, On the Red Carpet still shows up on their website so I assumed it was still around. I didn't mean to send you off on a fool's errand.

With Alamy News there is no formal program. You have to email them. I shoot for a lot of magazines and newspapers so the first time, I just reached out to them when I found an event that I thought would be great for my stock photo portfolio on Alamy, but not something that my usual clients would be interested in. Usually I do the legwork by reaching out to the PR folks for the event and then get a letter/email from Alamy confirming that I shoot for them if the PR folks require it (have done this a couple of times). They (the PR folks) usually want a list of publications that your work has been in. It's pretty standard practice, I think, or at least in my experience. Hope this helps. With On the Red Carpet they contacted the event people and did just about everything for me. This was back in 2008-2009 when SS was a lot smaller.

The people at Alamy News are very nice to deal with. Contact them and see how it goes.

Thanks Wordplanet, you're a champion!

I'll email them now.

authenticcreations · « **Reply #21 on:** September 25, 2015, 11:03 »

Hello,

This is always a difficult question. I only can share what i think.

I would put all your editorial to SS, Istock, 123RF, DT and DP. Alamy is a great agency but in our times you would leave a money on the table by ignoring the mentioned Micro agencies.

One reason is that only Shutterstock paid to contributors in 2014 84 million dollars. Alamy paid 150 million in 10 years and SS is still growing. Next to SS you will also make sales in 4 other agencies. I got only on SS more 28+ dollar sales from editorial then sales at all on Alamy. Dont be afraid of subs...... the high volume of buyers will compensate everything.

As much i like Alamy i am afraid that the future for editorial is lying on Micro. I dont see any reason why a buyer would buy a high priced 90 dollars RM license if they can get a very easy to handle RF photo for a far lower price. For commercial usage i can understand the meaning of RM since some buyers needs full exclusive use.

Mirco

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2015, 19:22 »

Alamy doesn't pay $90 anymore. I had a $12 Editorial this year. And you have to make them RM that locks the photos out of Micro RF. They were good before, not anymore.

Don't give DP anything any time anyhow. They pay subs for resale license. Their API pay us subs and sell for EL. DP is a bunch of crooks out to cheat us for every penny they can. 123 is a joke, DT is dying. That leaves only 2 SS and IS.

2 years exclusive on all photos. http://submit.shutterstock.com/red_carpet/ Still shows on SS. But ended in July. Why does it still show a link?

http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/on-the-red-carpet-program-frustration/

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