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« on: June 18, 2015, 01:33 »
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Hi, as a travel photographer I have just come across a terrible update of copyright law being amended by EU Parliament just now. Now law should be ready in July... Under this update, amendatory clause no 421 to EU directive 2001/29/ES it would be forbidden to publish and sell images taken on public property without a consent of all owners or copyright holders of the properties. This would totally remove freedom of panorama in the whole EU and forbid us selling and publishing photos of architecture, landmarks, cities in Europe... This would probably ruin my microstock business. Thanks EU. Thanks again... :P


Semmick Photo

« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 01:37 »
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It seems there is no clause 421 in EU directive 2001/29/ES. Do you have a link please?

« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 02:32 »
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It is being discussed in EP and the change has a wide support... So, it is not included in the text yet. Well, I was looking for some information in English, for example here: http://www.communia-association.org/2015/04/15/reda-report-the-10-worst-and-the-5-best-amendments/
or here
http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/06/european-parliament-committee-adopts-controversial-pro-user-copyright-reform-report/
it is number 4... Author of this amendemnt is Jean-Marie Cavada...
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 02:55 by Fyletto »

« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 03:05 »
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So every documentarist,news, and camera crew in the world will then need to carry a truckload of paperwork to do a 360 pan at a public place?
And what does your country's constitution say about this?
I've come to realize that EU as an institution can legislate freely,but it all comes down to every indivudual countrys copyright laws.

The day we will lose that priviledge (if we ever do) ,trust me,we wont be bothered about selling photos.The context of this decision will bring far bigger issues regarding personal freedoms to just bother with selling photos and video.

OM

« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 03:26 »
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« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 03:29 by OM »

« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 03:36 »
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That's something you'd expect from EU. A failed project by design.

It's exactly what they want, take away all personal freedoms to "protect us" from "terrorism" while pulling as many poor people in and force everyone to take them, even though majority of people in all countries are against it. At the same time screwing europeans with huge unemployment and lower wages.

EU is the socialist utopia created by the banks, for the banks.

« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 03:42 »
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EU is the socialist utopia created by the banks, for the banks.

Errr ... isn't there a bit of a disconnect here? Last time I looked the banks were pushing capitalism for all it's worth.

« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2015, 05:15 »
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i wouldn't bother too much, the EU keeps pushing weird ideas all the time but there's no chance something like this will pass, it's also unenforceable and of course it can't be retroactive, i wonder who are these fools even thinking about such draconian laws ... pretty much ANY news editorial image is shot in public spaces without model/property release ! another stroke of genius from the eurocrats ...

 

« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2015, 05:27 »
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EU is the socialist utopia created by the banks, for the banks.

Errr ... isn't there a bit of a disconnect here? Last time I looked the banks were pushing capitalism for all it's worth.

When major international banks go broke in a free market capitalism, there are no bailouts. They would go bankrupt. Read about the quantitative easing policy being done in US/UK/EU/Japan. Anyone with a good understanding in economy knows it simply devalues the currency, creates inflation and skyrocket the stock market, creating wealth for the top 0,1% and not improving the general economy. That's not capitalism, that's state controlled economy.

The banks finance all the mainstream political parties, so it doesn't matter who wins, politicians are always tied up. The few anti-EU/pro-Europe exceptions are effectively bombarded against in the media. Elections nowadays are a major distraction so people think they actually have a choice, while unelected eurocrats like Juncker decide the (catastrophic) future of Europe.

« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2015, 05:37 »
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EU is the socialist utopia created by the banks, for the banks.

Errr ... isn't there a bit of a disconnect here? Last time I looked the banks were pushing capitalism for all it's worth.

Not necessarily. Many of these people who want more and more wealth, will acquire it by offering you some product / service only because they have to. If a time comes where they can just take your stuff, or they can just make you work for them and that's it (slave) they will do it - and they are starting to act like a new aristocracy.

« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2015, 05:40 »
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We have to worry. If no discussion, this will pass. I shared links with some journalists.
Added hashtag on twitter #savepanoramafreedom

« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2015, 06:13 »
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All I can say is that I'm British, and the sooner we are out of this silly, self serving, extra layer of unnecessary bureaucracy the happier I will be.
"Unsustainable" is a word that is often bandied around here.
That's what the EU is.   

« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2015, 06:41 »
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When major international banks go broke in a free market capitalism, there are no bailouts. They would go bankrupt. Read about the quantitative easing policy being done in US/UK/EU/Japan. Anyone with a good understanding in economy knows it simply devalues the currency, creates inflation and skyrocket the stock market, creating wealth for the top 0,1% and not improving the general economy. That's not capitalism, that's state controlled economy.

The banks finance all the mainstream political parties, so it doesn't matter who wins, politicians are always tied up. The few anti-EU/pro-Europe exceptions are effectively bombarded against in the media. Elections nowadays are a major distraction so people think they actually have a choice, while unelected eurocrats like Juncker decide the (catastrophic) future of Europe.

agree 100% !

but actually the big banks have been all bailed out, only a few small fish went bankrupt, with the notorious excuse that they were too big to fail.

nowhere in the world there is true capitalism as far as i've seen in my travels, it's always a mix and if we talk about europe it's a horrible case of "social democracy" that looks more and more like a revamp of the old USSR if we talk about burocracy and planned economy.

« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2015, 09:52 »
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All I can say is that I'm British, and the sooner we are out of this silly, self serving, extra layer of unnecessary bureaucracy the happier I will be.
"Unsustainable" is a word that is often bandied around here.
That's what the EU is.

Well they broke constitutional laws and changed referendum rules just for a single case and pulled Croatia in this artificial union ruled by people who have never been elected by nobody and calling them self democratic. Doing all that with their corrupted puppets who would sell their mothers if they could.

I hope this breaks into peaces sooner the better.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2015, 10:12 »
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So every documentarist,news, and camera crew in the world will then need to carry a truckload of paperwork to do a 360 pan at a public place?
And what does your country's constitution say about this?
I've come to realize that EU as an institution can legislate freely,but it all comes down to every indivudual countrys copyright laws.

The day we will lose that priviledge (if we ever do) ,trust me,we wont be bothered about selling photos.The context of this decision will bring far bigger issues regarding personal freedoms to just bother with selling photos and video.

No, its about  commercial use, not for editorial use

Semmick Photo

« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2015, 10:12 »
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The report will now be voted on by the full European Parliament on July 9, where more amendments could be made. The final text will then be sent to the European Commission, which will use it as input for a legislative proposal on copyright reform, expected to appear by the end of the year.

« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2015, 10:35 »
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And how exactly will that work?There has to be a total constitunional reform and again each country has its own laws and political agenda.
Gotta love these European beaureocrats.Their greed and neo feudal wet dreams that theyre trying to impose can only be matched with their stupidity and incompetense.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 11:34 by gcrook »


« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2015, 12:00 »
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All I can say is that I'm British, and the sooner we are out of this silly, self serving, extra layer of unnecessary bureaucracy the happier I will be.
"Unsustainable" is a word that is often bandied around here.
That's what the EU is.

Well they broke constitutional laws and changed referendum rules just for a single case and pulled Croatia in this artificial union ruled by people who have never been elected by nobody and calling them self democratic. Doing all that with their corrupted puppets who would sell their mothers if they could.

I hope this breaks into peaces sooner the better.
What makes me laugh, is when we kick politicians out here because we don't want them, they bob back up with their cheery buddies in the European Parliament.
As you say, who are these people elected by?

« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2015, 13:32 »
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All I can say is that I'm British, and the sooner we are out of this silly, self serving, extra layer of unnecessary bureaucracy the happier I will be.
"Unsustainable" is a word that is often bandied around here.
That's what the EU is.

Well they broke constitutional laws and changed referendum rules just for a single case and pulled Croatia in this artificial union ruled by people who have never been elected by nobody and calling them self democratic. Doing all that with their corrupted puppets who would sell their mothers if they could.

I hope this breaks into peaces sooner the better.
What makes me laugh, is when we kick politicians out here because we don't want them, they bob back up with their cheery buddies in the European Parliament.
As you say, who are these people elected by?

The most important thing is that there is not a single democratic tool available to peoples that can remove members of the European commission from their places, not a single one. They are getting installed by their buddies replaced by them and its all just a theater powered by corporate interests. And when you dig deeper the saddest part is that the places and positions are inherited from their family members from the past that have started the project in the first place. 

« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2015, 18:33 »
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positions are inherited from their family members from the past that have started the project in the first place.

same for US presidents ... Bill Clinton and now  Hillary Clinton, the Bush Sr and Junior and now Jeb Bush, the Kennedy dinasty, etc etc

« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2015, 00:17 »
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Interesting - this night my site was attacked. After i published about this projects of law? Same hand

« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2015, 01:13 »
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I read on a different site that there is a very strong French lobby of professional photographer association trying to push this through. Having no problem aquiring what is needed with the help of the association or as the freedom of panorama is already quite limited in France or Belgium, they want a weapon against competition in the other countries where the panorama freedom is implemented fully. Of course you the reason introduced by the EU is effort to unify rules of panorama freedom across the EU...

« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2015, 01:21 »
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All I can say is that I'm British, and the sooner we are out of this silly, self serving, extra layer of unnecessary bureaucracy the happier I will be.
"Unsustainable" is a word that is often bandied around here.
That's what the EU is.
Yeh, on the other hand do not forget the primary purpose of the EU - which is peace among the member countries. What was unimanigable for hundreds of years was made possible by the establishing EU (or its predecessors). If one of the strongest EU countries leaves and the other follow, wouldn't there be a possibility of future wars again? I say lets reform and simplify this beast but keep it as tool which helps and not tries to rule us...

Semmick Photo

« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2015, 01:34 »
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Smug UKers. It's not good for anybody when they leave.

« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2015, 03:06 »
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Yeh, on the other hand do not forget the primary purpose of the EU - which is peace among the member countries. What was unimanigable for hundreds of years was made possible by the establishing EU (or its predecessors). If one of the strongest EU countries leaves and the other follow, wouldn't there be a possibility of future wars again? I say lets reform and simplify this beast but keep it as tool which helps and not tries to rule us...

there are no wars in western europe because we've been imposed a "pax americana" in the US occupied territories after 1945, nobody is allowed to move a finger without the agreement of the US and NATO but once there's a common interest they're pretty quick in sending their warplanes ... see Yugoslavia, Lybia, Sirya, Kosovo, and now Ukraine .. ohh i forgot they're also running another color revolution in Macedonia now while the mainstream medias arent even covering the news.



 

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