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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2009, 19:53 »
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It's sad that professional photographers are pushed away from opportunities like these where you can get real "close" without being a military photographer.


Here the main problem shooting military is to prevent them from smiling, cheering and posing when they spot a camera. They would just fight to be in front of the lens, they can't resist this innate urge. Sometimes I have to yell, please look tough, like you're in a war! (they actually are). Doesn't help much.
The only way to capture them normally is to shoot them by surprise.



The rusted ferries here in the South on the seas between Indonesia, Malaysia and Mindanao are always prone to piracy or on-board bombings, so "secret" military is always present on the vessels. This happens when you try to capture this "secret" operation:



There ain't no fun shooting a war like that, when you always have to shout: don't smile, stop hip-swinging, be tough!  ;D
« Last Edit: May 03, 2009, 19:57 by FlemishDreams »


batman

« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2009, 19:56 »
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Those are awesome shot Flemishdreams.
It's also good that you speak their language when you yell, "please look tough, you're in a war!"   because if you mistranslated, it could mean something like, "hey bozo, what's that you have there, a BB gun?"
and then you have to run and dodge their bullets.  :D

vonkara

« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2009, 19:59 »
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There ain't no fun shooting a war like that, when you always have to shout: don't smile, stop hip-swinging, be tough!  ;D

Haha nice one!! LMAO

« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2009, 20:05 »
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...we shouldn't hijack this blog by click_click guessing the country i was talking about.

It's all good as long as people are having a good time  ;)

tan510jomast

« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2009, 20:06 »
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ya, lol... i like the second one too FD. they look like a filipino rock band, except you need to Photoshop those guns into guitars and synthesizers.
It's all good as long as people are having a good time  ;)

« Last Edit: May 10, 2009, 09:51 by tan510jomast »

« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2009, 20:15 »
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Haha nice one!! LMAO


This obviously innate attraction to cams isn't limited to the military. Shooting the remains of the burned Christian part of a municipality (the local Muslim commander thought they needed a "lesson") last year, I spotted a weeping lady near the remains of her house. All was gone. So I asked for a "piktyor" of this event, with her in the foreground as the dramatic victim, and this is what I got (she first needed 10 mins to put on her make up). I gave up.  ::)  :P


« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2009, 20:17 »
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The driver in the first image has the right look.

« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2009, 20:35 »
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The driver in the first image has the right look.


Shot him by surprise. I framed a long time on this street chess player, then suddenly pointed up. I wouldn't recommend doing this when you are a local, or worse, wearing a scarf, or you might end up as a Gruyre cheese.


« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2009, 20:42 »
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sneaky, sneaky  8)

batman

« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2009, 20:46 »
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The driver in the first image has the right look.

 the driver in photo 1 ?  the dude extreme right in photo 4...  !  I 've seen mean dudes but  I think that one takes the cake. The ones who hides their eyes , that's the one you watch!  ;)

batman

« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2009, 20:48 »
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 Oh oh, also the lady ! I blove her ! Instant tranformation, crocodile tears. lol
Photoshop a head and you might satisfy a google search for " oriental head sitting"

« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2009, 21:01 »
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The ones who hides their eyes , that's the one you watch!  ;)


Ah obviously, you have been a spy too. :P  Sunglasses are used (1) to hide who you're looking at (turning your head 30 degrees away) and (2) in the event of a blast, you're the one who's recovers his sight first from the strong light and you don't get debris in your eyes.

Speaking of difficulties doing public photography (on-topic), the main difficulty doing beach shots in the Phils are the kids, yelling "Piktyor" and always sneaking in behind the model to be in the frame. With 50% of the almost 100,000,000 population under the age of 20, they pop up literally everywhere. Ten minutes on a beach and you look like a Scouts leader, dragging a long tail of kids behind you. The bargain to make is taking their "Piktyors" with loud clicks, show them on the LCD, then erase them.  :P
After that, you get about a 10 minutes grace period with your model, and then the game starts all over.


« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2009, 21:04 »
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The driver in the first image has the right look.

 the driver in photo 1 ?  the dude extreme right in photo 4...  !  I 've seen mean dudes but  I think that one takes the cake. The ones who hides their eyes , that's the one you watch!  ;)

nah!! he's probably just stoned  :P

« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2009, 21:04 »
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...After that, you get about a 10 minutes grace period with your model, and then the game starts all over.




Great! Good stuff.

« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2009, 21:11 »
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The ones who hides their eyes , that's the one you watch!  ;)


Ah obviously, you have been a spy too. :P  Sunglasses are used (1) to hide who you're looking at (turning your head 30 degrees away) and (2) in the event of a blast, you're the one who's recovers his sight first from the strong light and you don't get debris in your eyes.

Speaking of difficulties doing public photography (on-topic), the main difficulty doing beach shots in the Phils are the kids, yelling "Piktyor" and always sneaking in behind the model to be in the frame. With 50% of the almost 100,000,000 population under the age of 20, they pop up literally everywhere. Ten minutes on a beach and you look like a Scouts leader, dragging a long tail of kids behind you. The bargain to make is taking their "Piktyors" with loud clicks, show them on the LCD, then erase them.  :P
After that, you get about a 10 minutes grace period with your model, and then the game starts all over.



Is the guy playing chess and the little dude in front related?

« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2009, 21:16 »
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Is the guy playing chess and the little dude in front related?

Well, they're both nuisances or aids in public photography.

« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2009, 21:38 »
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I think the weather frustrates me more than anything else. Its like the clouds are just waiting till I get set up, or there isn't a cloud in site and you end up with banding issues.


« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2009, 22:12 »
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I think the weather frustrates me more than anything else. Its like the clouds are just waiting till I get set up, or there isn't a cloud in site and you end up with banding issues.


The infamous banding of blue skies, right. There are ways to solve it, but they eat time.

« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2009, 23:33 »
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I think the weather frustrates me more than anything else. Its like the clouds are just waiting till I get set up, or there isn't a cloud in site and you end up with banding issues.


The infamous banding of blue skies, right. There are ways to solve it, but they eat time.


Thanks for the link  :) but I've given up on trying to fix banding. There was a huge thread on SS a while back looking for a solution and nothing really worked all that well. I've come to the conclusion that If I can't live without the image, I'll try to replace the sky using another image from the series or just move on. Its usually pretty quick and painless if the colors match to start with.

tan510jomast

« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2009, 08:03 »
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I think the weather frustrates me more than anything else. Its like the clouds are just waiting till I get set up, or there isn't a cloud in site and you end up with banding issues.


The infamous banding of blue skies, right. There are ways to solve it, but they eat time.


Thanks for the link  :) but I've given up on trying to fix banding. There was a huge thread on SS a while back looking for a solution and nothing really worked all that well. I've come to the conclusion that If I can't live without the image, I'll try to replace the sky using another image from the series or just move on. Its usually pretty quick and painless if the colors match to start with.


but i thought the cause of banding  is due to converting 16 bit to 8 bit. i used to be plagued by that when i selected RAW in 16 bit thinking that was good for my gallery work. But for micro i had to convert it down to 8 bit which caused the banding.
nowadays after learning about that, i select 8 bit in RAW and have not see banding for quite a while.

donding

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« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2009, 10:22 »
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sitting here laughing my "you know what" off!!!

I had recently been shooting...lol...Apachie helicopters, which practice taking off and landing right next to the road. People are always out there right next to the site photographing. One day I set up the tri pod about 3/4 of a mile up the road on private property to photograph them. Well I guess the look out helicopter must have thought the tri pod was a machine gun or something because some one from the base came down and told me to quit photographing them and leave at once (again I was on private property!) or they were going to call the MP's which would call the state troopers and they would confiscate my card.....needless to say I put the camera up..but didn't leave.


It's sad that professional photographers are pushed away from opportunities like these where you can get real "close" without being a military photographer.

Just as a side note - I came across this PDF the other day (it's a bit old) but I think it gives some of you an idea how far to go when taking pics:

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm



Thanks for that link Click-Click. I printed it out. It was updated in November 2006 so it's still old, but at least it contains some legal information. I have a nephew who works for the military and he told me the only thing you can't photograph is the actual cockpit of one of these Apachie helecoptors. Of course he wanted to know if I'd gotten the guys name...but I didn't. I think I was in shock about even being asked to stop photographing that I didn't even think to ask. Like I told the guy...why wouldn't you be able to photograph them when they are in the sky and the only thing around them is blue sky and clouds...it's not like your disclosing some secret location. These things fly over my house everyday while in training so I guess next time I'll just set the tripod up behind a tree and photograph them from my back yard!!

« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2009, 10:34 »
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...These things fly over my house everyday while in training so I guess next time I'll just set the tripod up behind a tree and photograph them from my back yard!!

Of course the military makes use of the saying "it's for protection of national security" (since they are part of national security) quite often.

Instead of verifying who you are and what your motives are they mostly just send you away or tell you to stop (it's faster). Gotta respect that since you don't wanna mess with those guys.

For less militant areas I think that PDF is a bit helpful indeed. Especially the part about being held on location against your will...

tan510jomast

« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2009, 11:33 »
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it isn't just military bases that are off limits to photographers. pointing at children at play, school buses, daycare centre,etc.. could get you into trouble esp lately with so many cases locally and nationally with pedophilia. in some countries, simply pointing your camera towards the heads of state's residences could find you surrounded by security to confiscate your camera. even if you're a nice ole senior couple unable to carry a bazooka, or that lens leaf has in the other thread.  so, if you're travelling, it's best to know the what you should not do as a photographer. you don't want to come home without your equipment.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2009, 09:56 by tan510jomast »

« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2009, 11:53 »
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I was also thinking more along these lines...
 ::)

« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 11:56 by click_click »

donding

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« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2009, 12:02 »
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it isn't just military bases that are off limits to photographers. in some countries, simply pointing your camera towards the heads of state's residences could find you surrounded by security to confiscate your camera. even if you're a nice ole senior couple unable to carry a bazooka, or that lens leaf has in the other thread.
so, if you're travelling, it's best to know the what you should not do as a photographer. you don't want to come home without your equipment.


I really am half afraid to even point a camera towards people, especially kids...I'm afraid they'll think I'm a stalker.....lol. 

Around here because it's right outside of a base, when you say certain words on your cell phone you find that all of a sudden....Connection Is Lost..!! or all of a sudden you find your voice being echoed on the phone like it's on a speaker system.  :-\ Oh and we so treasure our privacy and don't even know that there really isn't such a thing any more!! ;)

I was also thinking more along these lines...
 ::)



So true Click Click!!!!


 

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