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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2021, 11:46 »
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Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

Which agencies are left and did not change anything exciting even in the last 12 month?
We have to be flexible all time.
So, if wirestock changes something which is worse than the agencies themselves, we have to move the images again.
But for me personally: If that happens: depending on what, then I might quit totally from the stockphoto business.
Look: Who had Adobe and Alamy on its plan? Me either! Really shocking what these agencies are doing!
How could a contributor even trust ANY agency now? Do we still trust the agencies, who are still fair until now to us? Come on! For sure we are all more suspecting bad things even from them, right? And that not because of these left fair agencies, but because of the bad agencies who s....t in the soup and destroyed all trustness in this business!
If the time comes and no fair agency left, then I might submit all images to instant pay on wirestock. And the good images I sell only on POD sites or do not sell at all.
They can get my s...t as they take any s....t. But my diamonds: Sorry, you can try as often you like, you will never get and not for any offer.


« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2021, 11:49 »
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Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

Do not be confused by the roulette wheel of similar on SS with what an actual similar image is. Similar means exactly that, similar. Sort of like you are either pregnant or your are not pregnant, you can't be sort of pregnant.

You can find any narrative you want to justify desperately attempting to get as many images online as you can and you seem to be doing just that.

You take 5-6 shots from roughly the same angle and narrow it down to 1-2 or even just 1.

Maybe this will help you understand what similar means...  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/similar



« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2021, 17:12 »
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Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

WS does reject images if there are similars found on other sites

farbled

« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2021, 17:21 »
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WS does reject images if there are similars found on other sites

Its refreshing being with them since they have actual human beings doing a lot of the work instead of what we see more and more at the bigger agencies. I was shocked to get a PM from one of the owners when I had questions about my stats showing properly. I think they are trying very hard to be the kind of agency we used to look for, and most of us have given up on finding.

« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2021, 04:56 »
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Selling images to a number of agencies I share the risk. Selling to Wirestock only, I may run into problems, when the good guys turn into bad guys like SS and recently AdobeStock. Wirestock follows the money like everybody else.

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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2021, 05:13 »
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Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

I'm in close contact with their management and they do listen to the community. They have a slack group and their management do respond to suggestions directly, ask for advice, etc. This just doesn't happen at SS, for instance. Wirestock are building up a great community and if other contributors do well then everybody does well if you think about SS's now silly tiered system.

As for whether they'll disappear, it depends on the agencies that they support...whether they will disappear! About a year ago iStock opted out but they're turds anyway with their controlled vocabulary nonsense.

They now accept clips, which is a positive step forward.

I'm going all in on them and sending all my commercial images (with editorials going to Alamy).

Wirestock did have issues with keywording a while back but have improved considerably. Still some ways to go but they'll get there. By the way, they're hiring remote keyworders:

https://jobup.am/jobs/wirestock-15/hiring-keyword-specialist-1223?fbclid=IwAR2E5VSV1nQY8uZtBrRwC3yFUKVBug7bzEEqOgcw56sULyHjgxcAjF05FNw

farbled

« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2021, 10:08 »
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I noticed the keywording improving quite a lot too.

I think the hard part is that we are so used to agencies hurting us that when one doesn't, we are disbelieving. Will WS change going forward? Absolutely they will. I bet SS will make changes if WS's placements hurt their tiers and sales, as will any other agency. Will those be good changes or bad? Time will tell. But they absolutely listen as Alex says.

The option as I see it, is to do nothing, and wait for the inevitable, or try out a place that is at least trying to do things in a better way. I'm with Alex on that, WS is getting all my stuff.

« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2021, 12:40 »
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Brasilnut & farbled:

I also agree totally - have same experiences.

Also my last keywording check was really bad and I told them. They checked it and agreed totally and after I changed the keywords via email, they DIRECTLY changed them on Alamy (the only one I submitted that images that time). That shows, they really care on contributors. But I also have to say, keywording THAT images were not that easy. I did not prove their keywording with normal commercial photos recently, but after I read, they searching for keyworder specialists and that even without them the keywording got better, I will be soon brave to use the easy submission.

« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2021, 14:59 »
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I uploaded a few images/videos as a test drive... The keywording was horrible and in some cases had nothing to do with the actual content.

« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2021, 16:05 »
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Higher royalties as a group. If they get some top artists, we could all be in the top tier!

What a brilliant idea!

« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2021, 16:51 »
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I do not understand why anyone would put images with wirestock, they are just a clearing house for anyones creative work and TAKE a % of the license fee. We get such a small return on OUR work now.
I have images with AdobeStock and Dreamstime and get regular sales with both most importantly NOT .10c an image.
We are being shafted enough already
The places that pay you .10c an image love all you creative people that put your hard eraned images with them, they pay themselves MILLIONS every year and I am sure in the not to distant future they will be telling you that .10c is too much and will drop the license ROI even further.

farbled

« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2021, 17:18 »
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« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 18:30 by farbled »

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« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2021, 14:51 »
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I uploaded a few images/videos as a test drive... The keywording was horrible and in some cases had nothing to do with the actual content.

When? They read metadata now. Unless it was a video, which I have no experience. Just images.

I do not understand why anyone would put images with wirestock, they are just a clearing house for anyones creative work and TAKE a % of the license fee. We get such a small return on OUR work now.


Just answering part, but yes you are right, they are just a clearing house, that takes 15%. This isn't the best thing since... BUT

Higher rank on Alamy, 40-50% instead the the new 20%
Higher percentage on SS instead of lower levels (I still don't use WS for SS or Adobe uploads of my own)
Better position possibly on many sites?
I don't have a DP, 123RF account. I don't need one.

You get paid as soon as you accumulate $30 from any agencies, all combined. I don't have to wait forever to get $100 from DT or whatever else places like 123 or Pond5 require.

I'm lazy... I keyword the image, upload once, and forget about them.

I still upload my own to Adobe and SS because that makes me a better return and I have some specific images on each, which are difficult and complicated to get uploaded to WS. Editorial to SS for example or Vectors to Adobe, which I keep on my own.

I'm not a huge fan of special partners and Instant Pay, but that's potentially interesting for many people. I've considered both and I'll make more by using Wirestock, than by doing everything myself.

There might be more that I'm missing, but tell me, besides the limited, but true view, that we give them 15% for being a clearing house, what about the benefits?

No I'm not a huge fan of Instant Pay, but old images and leftovers? Fine, I can get something instead of pennies or nothing. I'll take that. We do have a choice, selective, which images are in or out.

I don't see Wirestock making any promise of better sales or any reason to think uploading there, or on my own, would make any difference.

« Last Edit: June 08, 2021, 11:28 by Uncle Pete »


 

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