Author Topic: FilmHERO - 12,000+ 4K Clips, $29 per Month (Read 10729 times)

filmhero4k · « **on:** April 15, 2019, 19:14 »

Hello everyone!!! We are incredibly excited to announce the launch of the FilmHERO marketplace. We feature:

✔ 12,000+ 4K+ Clips
✔ Unlimited Clip Downloads
✔ 100% Royalty Free
✔ Exclusively Shot on RED in 4K+
✔ New footage added weekly

UNLIMITED downloads of our entire 12,000 clip archive is ONLY $29 per month.
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For a limited time, we are also offering an additional 15% off promo to celebrate our launch. This brings the monthly subscription down to $24.50. For promotional pricing, use coupon code LAUNCH15 at checkout.

Please feel free to reach out with any feedback or questions. Cheers!!
- FilmHERO Team
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noodle · « **Reply #1 on:** April 15, 2019, 19:49 »

This smells like something I’ve smelled before

A race to the bottom aided by sites such as yours

filmhero4k · « **Reply #2 on:** April 15, 2019, 20:00 »

Quote from: noodle on April 15, 2019, 19:49

This smells like something I’ve smelled before

A race to the bottom aided by sites such as yours

We are sorry you feel that way!!

The goal if FilmHERO is to provide epic stock footage for all. Every single clip in our curated collection is 100% Royalty Free, includes unlimited usage, and has been shot exclusively on RED Cinema Cameras.

We are also excited to adding robust 8K clip options as soon as next month! 8K will be included, at no additional charge, with every subscription.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #3 on:** April 15, 2019, 20:33 »

“We are sorry you feel that way!! ”

I doubt you are. You know where you posted right? This is a community of creators who value their work and who aren’t going to be too favorable towards “unlimited downloads for $29 a month” trying to undercut them..

georgep7 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 15, 2019, 23:14 »

Quote

epic stock footage

"Epic" works for Youtube and social.

Here, as far as I understand Stock footage is curated, well executed, targeted, scripted, oriented to client demands and many other things that I still don't know as a newbie.

But for sure it ain't no fricking "epic".

MRommens · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2019, 00:39 »

Indeed a very bad site
Stock becomes cheaper and cheaper

Why not the same prices as Pond5 or Shutterstock?

Stockmaan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 16, 2019, 01:09 »

I dont find who is author of this clips? Just you or two or three more?

Thank you

MRommens · « **Reply #7 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:14 »

Quote from: Stockmaan on April 16, 2019, 01:09

I dont find who is author of this clips? Just you or two or three more?

Thank you

I guess it is a copycat

jjneff · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2019, 06:16 »

Oh good another site I can make a youtube video on to warn artist to stay away! This is total crap and I would advise you not post here! We have no interest or desire to promote your business.

cobalt · « **Reply #9 on:** April 16, 2019, 07:07 »

79 dollars for these 10 clips.

Quality is excellent. But it comes from a really good team.

https://www.filmhero.com/packs/er

I don't quite get the math. Did they pull their content from everywhere else?

Pond5 has similar pricing in their membership offer, people often forget that.

Is there really enough high volume sales to make this work??

I always thought the video buyer market was small. That is why the traditional micro model doesn't really work in video.

But they seem to believe it exists. I have a lot of respect for David and his team, but I am just really not convinced this is a generally workable model for video. If everyone does it, it will mean 30 cent downloads for video.

Getty is already selling clips ultracheap, I get 68 cents for the files I have there. But I am not seeing 10 000 downloads a piece.

I have also done a lot of price experiments on pond5, including offering good content (well, good for me) at very low prices for a few months, but although I did see a pick up in volume, it wasn't that impressive. So I still offer low quality test shots or outtakes cheap, I don't do it for the normal stuff.

While I am sure that for a while they will see tremendous growth at these prices, the question is - when will they hit the wall??

Because for those of us who have ridden the microprice/high volume train...we know how it goes...the wall is coming.

And all those new 8k files, wouldn't it make more sense to add them to pond5 exclusively? And only when they stop selling in enough volume, take them down and add them to your own sales channel?

I could maybe understand if this was a portfolio for mostly older clips, that have earned their share in the general industry. Retire them on your own site, mix enough new content in-between to keep people happy. It would still be an incredible offer.

Anyway, we will see how it works out.

jjneff · « **Reply #10 on:** April 16, 2019, 07:44 »

I don't care how good the work is, I have no respect for any company racing to the bottom for video pricing!

cobalt · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2019, 08:25 »

The micro price/high volume model worked exceptionally well or me for many years. I made over 200k „on the side“ with at the time maybe 3000 photos.

But many of these images sold thousands of times.

If the volume is high enough, the micro model can work really well.

Selling a file 500 times for one dollar gives me the same as selling it once for 500.

Plus - the micro model was extremly sustainable, highly predictable monthly income.

Also made it much easier to predict returns, so you could calculate really well how much to invest in your production.

But I have never seen high volume sales in video.

For me it is not a „morality“ issue, a photo or video is not morally superior with a higher price tag.

In fact I have made thousands of dollars from very mundane, low quality shoots. But it was what the buyer really needed. Looking for these niches is something I spend a lot of time on.

I have met David and think he has a good working brain.

So I am trying to understand their business model with fairness.

Maybe they can consider to still supply high quality content at other prices elsewhere, not just pond5 exclusive, but all the sites that have premium collections.

Think of it as building up some kind of longterm life insurance.

Because the wall is coming and having a mix of macro and micro income gives better stability.

Just my 2 cents.

eta: 12000 files is a drop in the ocean, this is not a 10 million file agency. And obviously they will attract a lot of custom work as well.

Many artists have a webshop with their own files at low prices.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2019, 08:33 »

Actually it's really quite simple.

They are trying to steal/get market share by super low pricing from agencies that charge 3x+ for a single clip. Envato & motionarray pay authors $0.30-$1/clip, so why not them is what they are thinking. And instead of it going to a bunch of people, it goes directly to them. In the ukraine (guessing that is where they are from), $2/$3/hour is 'good' money - so if they get $10k/month, they are happy.

Quote from: cobalt on April 16, 2019, 08:25

The micro price/high volume model worked exceptionally well or me for many years. I made over 200k „on the side“ with at the time maybe 3000 photos.

But many of these images sold thousands of times.

If the volume is high enough, the micro model can work really well.

Selling a file 500 times for one dollar gives me the same as selling it once for 500.

Plus - the micro model was extremly sustainable, highly predictable monthly income.

Also made it much easier to predict returns, so you could calculate really well how much to invest in your production.

But I have never seen high volume sales in video.

For me it is not a „morality“ issue, a photo or video is not morally superior with a higher price tag.

In fact I have made thousands of dollars from very mundane, low quality shoots. But it was what the buyer really needed. Looking for these niches is something I spend a lot of time on.

I have met David and am grateful for what I learned that day.

So I am trying to understand their business model with fairness.

Maybe they can consider to still supply high quality content at other prices elsewhere, not just pond5 exclusive, but all the sites that have premium collections.

Think of it as building up some kind of longterm life insurance.

Because the wall is coming and having a mix of macro and micro income gives better stability.

Just my 2 cents.

eta: 12000 files is a drop in the ocean, this is not a 10 million file agency. And obviously they will attract a lot of custom work as well.

Many artists have a webshop with their own files at low prices.

cobalt · « **Reply #13 on:** April 16, 2019, 08:37 »

David Baumber lives in the US. In the UK before. Established British producer. I sincerly doubt they can work on 10k a month.

But of course stock could just be side income.

Still, for that kind of quality how do you bring in production costs?

But...their business...they have been around long enough.

UKstock · « **Reply #14 on:** April 16, 2019, 08:42 »

All businesses rely on knowledge. Very few businesses will drop $uber dollars on an idea without some level of confidence. Remember Videoblocks?

If an individual with a large portfolio can garner 10,000 customers then that not pennies. David owns the stock, he can sell it for what he likes. Feed the family etc. while other agencies cut our earnings.

cobalt · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2019, 08:48 »

300 000 a month, yes that is a workable number.

At 29 a month it is probably cheap enough for many people to consider adding them in addition to any other download plan they have elsewhere.

So, it will work for them.

Clair Voyant · « **Reply #16 on:** April 16, 2019, 09:19 »

Quote from: cobalt on April 16, 2019, 08:25

Selling a file 500 times for one dollar gives me the same as selling it once for 500.

Plus - the micro model was extremly sustainable, highly predictable monthly income.

You are joking right? Micro was never sustainable just by its very design. Short term gold rush perhaps, but sustainable?

cobalt · « **Reply #17 on:** April 16, 2019, 09:32 »

For many,many years I was making 2000_4000 dollars a month, even without uploading a lot of content, because I had a day job and later worked as inspector and moderator on istock.

I also had macrostock income from Gettyhouse, so it wasn‘t all micro.

And when I left istock/Getty, I only uploaded around 1000 photos, in many places a lot less. Obviously my income dropped, but I was getting around 500-1200 dollars from everywhere while I slowly added video and now have around 800 clips of varying quality.

So for not being a day job and doing it on the side, even today I find stock very interesting.

Many of my files are really old, but if I upload them to a new place they still sell.

However, it really takes me a lot of effort to decide what should go macro and what should go micro. Or what should go to a specialized agency.

But I absolutely think stock is worthwhile, including selling for micro prices.

From what I see though, a lot of people put content on high volume sites, that are absolutely not going to sell in high volume. They just follow the spray and pray mode.

Then you can‘t be disappointed, if it doesn‘t work.

The very easy days may be over, but personally I am very confident and this will be the first year, where I can add more volume everywhere including micro.

Everywhere I look there is a ton of content missing. People simply don‘t spend time researching client needs.

Portfolios are very resilient, they don‘t die abruptly, at least mine didn‘t.

Chichikov · « **Reply #18 on:** April 16, 2019, 09:39 »

FilmZERO - 12,000+ 4K Clips, $0 per Month…

David Baumber · « **Reply #19 on:** April 16, 2019, 13:05 »

Hello,

I'll come out from under my rock if you promise not to pelt me with Rice Crispie.

Yes I'm responsible. I started FilmHERO.com 2 years ago. It started as an idea with my partner in crime Helen Fields. We wanted to become more independent. The idea grew and evolved from there as the industry changed over that time. I'm not an agency that's supporting other artists. We run an expensive business, as you all know, video is not cheap to produce and it's become unsustainable.

The cut that all agencies take from us leaves us too little to secure our futures. We had to move into a different model with better control over our assets, that would be more effective going into the future. We're not the first. Others are already doing it - take a look at Storyblocks. Nothing we do is designed to impact anyone else, but this was the only business model that showed ongoing promise rather than slow decline, and believe me, we spent years studying it. Subscription is coming - the larger agencies are already discussing it - and when that happens the cut we get is likely to drop dramatically. So we invested . in ourselves, in our own site. We spent years working 12 hour days, saving money, busting ourselves to provide for our family. Us sitting around moaning about the decline of the industry wasn't an option. We're happy to answer any (polite) questions.

Thank you

David Baumber

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #20 on:** April 16, 2019, 13:17 »

Hi David! Very brave of you to come out of hiding here.

Not the easiest crowd.

Anyway, you have a great portfolio, of course, and I know you as one of the very top (if not #1?) producers at Pond5. I thought you were going exclusive with them? Or is the FH site just for clips you haven't used before? Just curious about the P5 situation, and if something happened there.

Thanks!

David Baumber · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2019, 13:43 »

You're right, we are producing exclusive content for Pond5. We'll be creating a mix of exclusive content for FilmHero and also Pond5.

jjneff · « **Reply #22 on:** April 16, 2019, 13:50 »

This makes no sense, yes it only profits you but i don't see Porsche selling at Toyota prices! In order to live from this which I do! Pond5 has the answer and they are paying a fair % Please watch my video on Storyblocks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyeQmy3BV70

jjneff · « **Reply #23 on:** April 16, 2019, 14:02 »

The answer. Use Pond5 Exclusive, market your work like you own the site! be creative produce new and better content and refuse to give it away. Buyers will come for quality work. I sell high priced work everyday!

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #24 on:** April 16, 2019, 18:17 »

I understand the thinking.

It's an easy way to make some quick cash, because right now it is undercutting a lot of the large agencies, but putting you on par with envato/motionarray in terms of bottom basement prices.

The work does look pretty good - so in some ways you are really undervaluing it. You could charge more.

But, I understand the appeal of quick cash, and pricing it so incredibly low that you are bound to get a lot of signups providing you do your marketing right.

Quote from: David Baumber on April 16, 2019, 13:05

Hello,

I'll come out from under my rock if you promise not to pelt me with Rice Crispie.

Yes I'm responsible. I started FilmHERO.com 2 years ago. It started as an idea with my partner in crime Helen Fields. We wanted to become more independent. The idea grew and evolved from there as the industry changed over that time. I'm not an agency that's supporting other artists. We run an expensive business, as you all know, video is not cheap to produce and it's become unsustainable.

The cut that all agencies take from us leaves us too little to secure our futures. We had to move into a different model with better control over our assets, that would be more effective going into the future. We're not the first. Others are already doing it - take a look at Storyblocks. Nothing we do is designed to impact anyone else, but this was the only business model that showed ongoing promise rather than slow decline, and believe me, we spent years studying it. Subscription is coming - the larger agencies are already discussing it - and when that happens the cut we get is likely to drop dramatically. So we invested . in ourselves, in our own site. We spent years working 12 hour days, saving money, busting ourselves to provide for our family. Us sitting around moaning about the decline of the industry wasn't an option. We're happy to answer any (polite) questions.

Thank you

David Baumber

jonbull · « **Reply #25 on:** April 17, 2019, 09:09 »

desperate moves...this industry will collapse soon and that's why everybody is trying to make the last penny. unfortunately is simply the truth.

jonbull · « **Reply #26 on:** April 17, 2019, 09:14 »

Quote from: David Baumber on April 16, 2019, 13:05

Hello,

I'll come out from under my rock if you promise not to pelt me with Rice Crispie.

Yes I'm responsible. I started FilmHERO.com 2 years ago. It started as an idea with my partner in crime Helen Fields. We wanted to become more independent. The idea grew and evolved from there as the industry changed over that time. I'm not an agency that's supporting other artists. We run an expensive business, as you all know, video is not cheap to produce and it's become unsustainable.

The cut that all agencies take from us leaves us too little to secure our futures. We had to move into a different model with better control over our assets, that would be more effective going into the future. We're not the first. Others are already doing it - take a look at Storyblocks. Nothing we do is designed to impact anyone else, but this was the only business model that showed ongoing promise rather than slow decline, and believe me, we spent years studying it. Subscription is coming - the larger agencies are already discussing it - and when that happens the cut we get is likely to drop dramatically. So we invested . in ourselves, in our own site. We spent years working 12 hour days, saving money, busting ourselves to provide for our family. Us sitting around moaning about the decline of the industry wasn't an option. We're happy to answer any (polite) questions.

Thank you

David Baumber

the situation is dramatic that's the only truth i read from your words. fee facto giving away your great content hoping to make some money because even video soon will be worst than photo.
nfrotunately this is the truth fro everybody who want to live out of this. no matter the quality of content produced, as you are simply proving that even top notch are struggling. sure this can be stil for years good holy and side line earning but to live out of this you need more than a miracle. live i mean earning more than 100k years as independent and more as house of production.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #27 on:** April 17, 2019, 11:53 »

I doubt he is 'struggling'. It does look like good, popular content, so educated guess - if he is on the major agencies, I'd say about $10-$15k/month at least.

But I would say he knows storyblocks makes $20 million+ year with their subscription model, motionarray makes about $400k/year currently with their stock video category, envato - don't know their numbers - but I believe it is in the millions, and he wants a cut of that/up his profit to maybe $50-$60k/month, if not more.

What I don't know is if he has the marketing experience/know how to achieve that, because it is a lot easier said than done - especially as these agencies have been around for 7/15 years approx respectively, and going into it will be a bit of work. Not that it's impossible - it's not - but I don't know if he knows the work involved.

The fact he posted "here" telling his competition that he is going to undercut them significantly, instead of making more intelligent marketing decisions leads me to believe he is rather new to marketing.

Quote from: jonbull on April 17, 2019, 09:14

Quote from: David Baumber on April 16, 2019, 13:05
Hello,

I'll come out from under my rock if you promise not to pelt me with Rice Crispie.

Yes I'm responsible. I started FilmHERO.com 2 years ago. It started as an idea with my partner in crime Helen Fields. We wanted to become more independent. The idea grew and evolved from there as the industry changed over that time. I'm not an agency that's supporting other artists. We run an expensive business, as you all know, video is not cheap to produce and it's become unsustainable.

The cut that all agencies take from us leaves us too little to secure our futures. We had to move into a different model with better control over our assets, that would be more effective going into the future. We're not the first. Others are already doing it - take a look at Storyblocks. Nothing we do is designed to impact anyone else, but this was the only business model that showed ongoing promise rather than slow decline, and believe me, we spent years studying it. Subscription is coming - the larger agencies are already discussing it - and when that happens the cut we get is likely to drop dramatically. So we invested . in ourselves, in our own site. We spent years working 12 hour days, saving money, busting ourselves to provide for our family. Us sitting around moaning about the decline of the industry wasn't an option. We're happy to answer any (polite) questions.

Thank you

David Baumber

the situation is dramatic that's the only truth i read from your words. fee facto giving away your great content hoping to make some money because even video soon will be worst than photo.
nfrotunately this is the truth fro everybody who want to live out of this. no matter the quality of content produced, as you are simply proving that even top notch are struggling. sure this can be stil for years good holy and side line earning but to live out of this you need more than a miracle. live i mean earning more than 100k years as independent and more as house of production.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #28 on:** April 17, 2019, 12:05 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on April 17, 2019, 11:53

I doubt he is 'struggling'. It does look like good, popular content, so educated guess - if he is on the major agencies, I'd say about $10-$15k/month at least.

A little bit of research would tell you they are among the 5-10 top stock footage producers in the world. At least used to be. MUCH more than $15k/month. At least used to be.

jjneff · « **Reply #29 on:** April 17, 2019, 12:44 »

Gloom and doom is all I hear but on the bright side can you still find a way to survive? He will get some buyers but he can't span the subject matter that is needed for most people! Hence Pond5 and the others.

georgep7 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 17, 2019, 13:33 »

Still a newbie, but you people missed some good keywords in the original answer.
Or a strong motive if you will.

"busting ourselves to provide for our family."

I do not know of business risks, plans, market tests, but a person talking that personal, i believe that will make only well programmed studied and executed actions with minimum risk and maximum possible good results. Not an executive, rather a content producer like us. If he earns big, ok, cool, good for him, and what a great example to follow and study. Perhaps this person is in a good way.

Who knows?

thirdbornentertainment · « **Reply #31 on:** April 17, 2019, 17:44 »

Quote from: filmhero4k on April 15, 2019, 19:14

Hello everyone!!! We are incredibly excited to announce the launch of the FilmHERO marketplace. We feature:

✔ 12,000+ 4K+ Clips
✔ Unlimited Clip Downloads
✔ 100% Royalty Free
✔ Exclusively Shot on RED in 4K+
✔ New footage added weekly

UNLIMITED downloads of our entire 12,000 clip archive is ONLY $29 per month.
www.filmhero.com

For a limited time, we are also offering an additional 15% off promo to celebrate our launch. This brings the monthly subscription down to $24.50. For promotional pricing, use coupon code LAUNCH15 at checkout.

Please feel free to reach out with any feedback or questions. Cheers!!
- FilmHERO Team
[email protected]

www.filmhero.com

Get out of here with this garbage, you aren't welcome on this forum. Go sell photos if you want to make peanuts.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #32 on:** April 17, 2019, 18:05 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on April 17, 2019, 12:05

Quote from: SuperPhoto on April 17, 2019, 11:53
I doubt he is 'struggling'. It does look like good, popular content, so educated guess - if he is on the major agencies, I'd say about $10-$15k/month at least.

A little bit of research would tell you they are among the 5-10 top stock footage producers in the world. At least used to be. MUCH more than $15k/month. At least used to be.

Ah, it was just an educated guess. I didn't know he was *that* high up the food chain... so what, he'd be making $100k+/month?

Then wow, that is quite an interesting move... I'm supposing he must have some really big insight/marketing plan then to focus on the subscription model...

David Baumber · « **Reply #33 on:** April 17, 2019, 18:42 »

Hey all,

Yes I have a business plan, a marketing team and a small'ish budget to give it our best shot. We have an idea of what FilmHero is capable of but all business is a gamble. I've talked about being independent with other artists for literally years and now I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

Just to reiterate, this is 100% my own content shot over many years and call me crazy but I'm not trying to eat your lunch.

I love this business like you wouldn't believe and I've been around it since the early days.... really early. I enjoy the distribution and sales of content as much as shooting and wake up everyday thinking about it.

I wish I was making the $'s that's banded around here. If I were I'd be happy to cash in. I have a business, staff and family to consider for the next 10 years. I'm not quite old enough to retire..... well nearly.

FilmHero.com is a brilliant site and I'm very proud of the dev team. It's NOT a template from Shopify, it's 100% java built from the ground up so it's super fast at delivering the video. That was a stressful build but also immense fun to see it come alive.

David

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #34 on:** April 17, 2019, 22:15 »

"call me crazy but I'm not trying to eat your lunch"

Well, look, let's be upfront here. You are. You're trying to gain market by undercutting others. It is what it is, and we're all competitors, and striking out on your own takes a whole lot of work, but still, you only win by taking share from others, and doing that at the cost of lowering the standard... well....

cobalt · « **Reply #35 on:** April 18, 2019, 03:50 »

Hi David, did I out you?

If you want to keep this crowd happy, make a good effort at supporting exclusive pond5 content. A lot of people are rallying around that project and 60% is pretty fair.

Plus it will bring eyeballs to your own website and thus leads for filmhero, but I am sure you already know that.

I agree with the fear of subscription, but the difference is that the video producer community is much smaller and better networked. If high quality content is withheld from subs, you guys will have many more years of good income than we did in photography.

Please consider also talking to Pat Gowan from Blackbox. He has a lot more ideas for the future then just distributing content to agencies. You might find some of that interesting enough to support.

He also now has 40 000 people supplying BB, which does give him some options in negotiating with agencies.They are not supplying Istock/getty which seem to have by far the lowest prices for video subs. Even if the contributors just upload 10 clips a year to bb, that is 400 000 flies year that are not going to the subscription market.

I sincerly wish you guys all the best, you have worked hard enough.

The crowd here is tough, but I find that very helpful.

jonbull · « **Reply #36 on:** April 18, 2019, 07:57 »

pagine how many will steal those files and sell them in other agency? something happening to photos will soon happen to video....29 dollar super fast fixes band an in 2 months anybody can download all library and offer with some cut and zoom in.not only lower the bar of competition but not even the smarter move, for me you need fast cash that's the only explanation.

jjneff · « **Reply #37 on:** April 18, 2019, 09:24 »

No name producer. Hey Bill did you see film hero? .. I sure did... go ahead and get the 6 month sub at $179.00 and download all the clips he has... sure thing boss we gotta love guys like him who doesn't know the value of their work! Hey boss we don't need all those...take them anyway who knows what we will need in the future and be sure to cancel the subscription when you are done! We can check back in a few years to see if we want to do this again.

If you want to make your own site then do so! at least charge $49.00 per clip which for your quality will still bring you a lot more money then your sub. program! Also most buyers need more options so the subscription will not have a lot of value in a couple of months.

tickstock · « **Reply #38 on:** April 18, 2019, 09:40 »

Did you come on here to advertise your site to us? I'm not going to post anymore in this thread hopefully it'll die and be buried, it's bad for everyone.

jonbull · « **Reply #39 on:** April 18, 2019, 10:02 »

Quote from: jjneff on April 18, 2019, 09:24

No name producer. Hey Bill did you see film hero? .. I sure did... go ahead and get the 6 month sub at $179.00 and download all the clips he has... sure thing boss we gotta love guys like him who doesn't know the value of their work! Hey boss we don't need all those...take them anyway who knows what we will need in the future and be sure to cancel the subscription when you are done! We can check back in a few years to see if we want to do this again.

If you want to make your own site then do so! at least charge $49.00 per clip which for your quality will still bring you a lot more money then your sub. program! Also most buyers need more options so the subscription will not have a lot of value in a couple of months.

but even ask 19 dollar for 1080 and 39 for 4k...is much lower than pond5 but higher probably than what they earn in crediti in pond5. as i said this is a move to earn as much as possible in short time...for me it's a bad sign from a video top notch producer who is practically telling the market that even video cow has finished the milk...

stockmn · « **Reply #40 on:** April 18, 2019, 11:06 »

This is a fast cash grab. I have no doubt he will make a bunch of money in the short term but he's sinking his (and our) long term prospects in this industry.

jonbull · « **Reply #41 on:** April 18, 2019, 11:31 »

Quote from: stockmn on April 18, 2019, 11:06

This is a fast cash grab. I have no doubt he will make a bunch of money in the short term but he's sinking his (and our) long term prospects in this industry.

the fact that is last production and files are aerial or cheaper production tells me they made a lot of money but also spend lot of money also in production and taxes, because they are western company...probably they want right now recover and capitalize this till they can and till pond5 will go subscription plan also. as i said multiple time you can produce big files and work hard mostly in eastern country or poor country...ding this in western world is so * hard due to cost.

jjneff · « **Reply #42 on:** April 18, 2019, 12:16 »

Not true, I am living on my stock and Pond5 is not going sub that is why they are going Exclusive! Yes I know I have talked with the owner

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #43 on:** April 18, 2019, 14:26 »

cant get more moronic, offer your whole library for 29 dollar and allow a full download of the library in one month. not very business savvy. best invest some money to hire a CCO

thirdbornentertainment · « **Reply #44 on:** April 18, 2019, 15:29 »

Quote from: stockmn on April 18, 2019, 11:06

This is a fast cash grab. I have no doubt he will make a bunch of money in the short term but he's sinking his (and our) long term prospects in this industry.

Basically, they are running out of money and this is their last chance to recoup costs from their high-end production. Short term this hurts us all, but in the long term, it will eliminate bottom feeders like these.

cobalt · « **Reply #45 on:** April 21, 2019, 05:28 »

Quote from: jjneff on April 18, 2019, 12:16

Not true, I am living on my stock and Pond5 is not going sub that is why they are going Exclusive! Yes I know I have talked with the owner

They already have subs, they call it the membership collection.

Over 400 000 files and the artists receive no information how often the files are downloaded.

I really like pond5, but it is important to look at everything.

jjneff · « **Reply #46 on:** April 21, 2019, 06:29 »

I fully understand they have subs, I am not a part of their sub plan and am doing just fine the subs market for video is just not there! people use their smartphones for social media video not stock, advertisers use stock and can pay for it!

Not Today · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2019, 07:13 »

Quote from: jjneff on April 21, 2019, 06:29

I fully understand they have subs, I am not a part of their sub plan and am doing just fine the subs market for video is just not there! people use their smartphones for social media video not stock, advertisers use stock and can pay for it!

Sadly, the market is well there, hidden for now, but growing. They're covering instagram post, facebook and twitter ads. With these low prices, people won't bother shooting with their phone anymore.

And as people get lazier, these companies get richer and will eventually crash the video market.

https://promo.com/for/instagram-posts?utm_content=header

Trippy · « **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2019, 08:40 »

Quote from: jjneff on April 18, 2019, 12:16

Not true, I am living on my stock and Pond5 is not going sub that is why they are going Exclusive! Yes I know I have talked with the owner

Pond 5 already has subs! ! !

jjneff · « **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2019, 09:09 »

Of course I know that but I am not a part of subs! So you can survive well without them!

Trippy · « **Reply #50 on:** April 21, 2019, 09:15 »

FilmHero is more expensive than Storyblocks - and most of us supported them by uploading our footage.

Storyblocks: Unlimited HD or 4K = $198.96 for 1 year. That's $16.58 per month.

Shutterstock: Has an 'Unlimited' for business - no prices.
Pond5: 10 clips a month (HD or 4K) $83.25 per month.

Everyone's already doing it!

Where's the outrage?

georgep7 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:04 »

If the alternative of stock footage is freelance video work, here are some more "Good news"
Mentioned in a post previous, Promo.com using Getty and SS resources is the one face of the coin,
the other side is e.g. Genero or Tongal, offering "freelance work" actually from anyone
in the world at the legal age that can shoot and assemble a commercial, or just re-edit existing assets.
Freelancer, UpWork, you name them, all those places killing prices and skills in favor of the customer.
It is a global phenomenon. People underpricing, platforms taking their percentage, "happy" customers all around.
Remember the "death" of ENG by the first Twitted frame of a plane landed in a river? (I think).
"Are you crazy? civilian journalism is not a thing! Breaking news and exclusive images will always sell"
yup...
Tell that to social platforms...
Here is a hint, the first scenes of Notre Dame in flames I saw on tv-news were vertical and quite shaky.
:/

jjneff · « **Reply #52 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:20 »

Hint, model and property released commercial content is where it is at!

georgep7 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:30 »

Agreed.

Now, as a production company, can you compete a team
of 20yrs old kids, that will shoot with fantasy and fresh ideas,
release and edit a commercial and submit for a brand for 500-1000$
With the possibility to get nothing in return if not accepted?

No business model, no licensed software, no anything.
Just a paypal account and some documents provided
by the platform hosting those "competitions"
You might say nonamers will use those services.
Let's make it more interesting, I can recognize brands
and names all around the world.
And cleap customers will still use UpWork and they will grow.

Apologies jjneff, but I believe that our generation is slowly getting out of the game.
I didn't enter stock to catch the late train, it was a decision for a possible side income.
Yes there is still work in video industry, there will always be.
But now it is socialized. "Anyone" can do it.
Remember those hard to make AE(CS5-6) templates? Replaced by Youtube free tutorials.

Full vfx and 3D animation is the next frontier.
Speaking just for myself, I find it difficult to follow progress...

jjneff · « **Reply #54 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:41 »

Funny thing is content is content buyers don't care who or what age created it! I do a lot of $500 to $1,000.00 jobs and have no problems changing with the times. I also know what good business looks like and how to succeed more then the younger generation. It is brains, drive and following the market, age is not the limiting factor!

georgep7 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:49 »

I admit that I envy you from your last answer!

odesigns · « **Reply #56 on:** April 21, 2019, 12:25 »

Quote from: jjneff on April 21, 2019, 06:29

I fully understand they have subs, I am not a part of their sub plan and am doing just fine the subs market for video is just not there! people use their smartphones for social media video not stock, advertisers use stock and can pay for it!

You're not a part of the P5 sub program because you were asked to participate and said no, or weren't asked at all?

jjneff · « **Reply #57 on:** April 21, 2019, 19:25 »

I was never asked and would have said NO like I have with all the others who have asked.

thepokergod · « **Reply #58 on:** April 22, 2019, 21:53 »

I write this post with all due respect to David and team, you're clearly a very accomplished stock producer (part of the HotelFoxtrot team no?!) with a fantastic portfolio.

I think this whole venture is a mistake and I'd guess is a knee jerk reaction to changes in the market which have lead to a significant drop in revenue for you. It really smells of "my ship is sinking and I've got to try and milk as much money out of it before it goes under." An act of desperation.

First off, as others have said, it appears totally open to abuse. Buy one month subscription and download the whole library, that's essentially giving your work away for free.

It's also extremely short sighted - how do you expect to fund future helicopter shots with Cineflex systems etc when existing content is being given away like this? I guess you have no plans to in future to generate quality, high production value stock.

I can understand the rational to do something radical in hopes of a quick cash grab. I shoot extremely hard to get nature and disaster footage with a minimum price of $299 per clips, in the past when time were slow I started uploading it all to Shutterstock to sell at $79 and lower. Thank god I came to my senses and deleted it all and stuck to my guns. I'm a full time stock producer, my business grows every year and above all else I value my work and have the long term interests of my portfolio and the industry as a whole at heart.

Unfortunately you appear to be committing stock footage suicide and also dragging others with you. I'm extremely relieved you don't shoot any content which overlaps with my portfolio....

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